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Talk to me about pre-shading

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Posted by Air2AirJoe on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:01 PM

Don Stauffer

An alternative for pre-shading is a pin wash.  This applies a black or very dark color only to recessed panel lines themselves.  You use something like a needle eye, old fashioned pen point, or a pin or rod of small diameter metal to apply a very thin wash directly to the recessed lines.  The wash is drawn along the recess.

 

 

I'd like to give that a shot.  Thanks for the explanation.

"Forgive me, I'm clueless"

 

 

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Posted by Weird-Oh on Friday, September 4, 2015 9:48 AM

That's the way I've always done it.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, September 4, 2015 9:18 AM

An alternative for pre-shading is a pin wash.  This applies a black or very dark color only to recessed panel lines themselves.  You use something like a needle eye, old fashioned pen point, or a pin or rod of small diameter metal to apply a very thin wash directly to the recessed lines.  The wash is drawn along the recess.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Silver on Friday, September 4, 2015 3:09 AM

Explain that to the IPMS world of judges.They need a wake up call.

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Posted by Weird-Oh on Thursday, September 3, 2015 9:52 PM

I admit I'm stumped as to the value of it. If you look at panel lines on a real aircraft, they're thin and don't extend beyond the joint itself, but pre-shading makes it look as if the joint is wider than it actually is. To me, that's the opposite of realism. Maybe someone can set me straight.

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Posted by Silver on Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:22 AM

Sorry for some spelling errors .I type very fast like an F4.

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Posted by Silver on Wednesday, September 2, 2015 10:12 AM

at the least I agree partially.I have Flown F-4s and had not seen a preside look.Just a streak effect on the aircraft.The aircraft is moving very fast.Ww2 aircraft may get away with 100% pre shaded.Any way,good luck on these styles of weathering.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, September 2, 2015 6:44 AM

Silver

Pre-shading gives you an almost even texture effect which aircraft did not have.

 

 
Your statement is partially correct. I say partially because some modelers tend to be a bit heavy handed on the pre shading, leaving very dark lines showing thru the paint which IMO looks unrealistic as you stated.
 
The trick is to just leave a subtle hint of a very faint shadow to add some texture and break up the areas as in panel lines or body panels in vehicles.
 
I usually pre shade planes with raised panel lines just to have to variance in the scheme as in this old Monogram 1/72 F-4J.
 
 
Pawel's method of using the red clay color as pre shade is brilliant. Great job Pawel!

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Posted by Silver on Monday, August 24, 2015 3:09 PM

Pre-shading gives you an almost even texture effect which aircraft did not have.Pastel's is more a control as you go when creating the weathered effect on  past or present aircraft or armor.Pre-shading will work on certain areas like corners and raised edges.But not overall.example: The A-7H Greek Cosair jet is the best sample of a weathering effect and not showing an identicle effect on the other side of the body frame.

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, May 3, 2015 8:38 AM

The only thing you could really do is to spray the model black, and then spray it again with OD, being "strategic" in how you aim and cover with the OD coat. You'd have to tilt, and possibly mask parts of the model to allow the black "pre-shade" to remain in shadow areas.

That being said, you really need to step up to an airbrush. Take the money you would put toward kits for the the few weeks or months and invest in one. Your enjoyment of the hobby and your results will go up ten-fold. I couldn't even imagine modeling without one.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:58 PM

You need an air brush for pre or post shading those thin lines around the panel lines or fading from the center panels out to the edges.

A method you can use to weather and fade OD (or any color and specially armor models)  is to use a DOT filter. This method uses small dots of artist oils like yellow ochre, red, orange, lighter greens to break up the monotone OD shade when streaked down and blended. Just make sure you have a barrier as using over acrylic otherwise the base coat will be toast.

Then you can follow up with some pin washes to pop some details.

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Posted by Pawel on Wednesday, April 29, 2015 2:01 AM

Hello!

Maybe Leonardo da Vinci could pull it off without an airbrush, but there are also other methods to achieve the objective - and it is to make the model look more realistic and at the same time more interesting too look at. Preshading is supposed to show several effects of a real vehicle that are not there on the model if you just paint it one colour. Those effects have to do with the scale and lighting, but also with the acumulation of dirt in some places (panel lines, tight corners) and paint fading (more in direct sunlight, less where there is some shadow). And please remember, that you have a lot of freedom to choose colours for the preshading - not necessarily a darker shade of the base colour. Depends on what you want to show - I for myself, when doing certain Vietnam-era vehicles used the red clay colour to preshade OD surfaces and I liked the results - here are some examples:

Hope it helps - good luck with your builds and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:26 PM

I would not try it. First of all an airbrush is pretty key for that. Second, your base coat is so dark that the only preshade would be black. Take a look at doog's Vorpanzer build. He basically started out with a black tank and took it lighter.

You can sludge wash, pin wash or whatever darken the details, then work on the weathering. i'm building a Sherman too! These armor guys really go for the weathering.

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Talk to me about pre-shading
Posted by castelnuovo on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:04 PM

I am currently building a Sherman tank which will be painted in some kind of mix of olive drab, dark yellow and a bit of green. The whole thing is a bit of an experiment and I would like to try pre-shading that I have heard about.

The questions are:

-What is the purpose of it?

-What color to use?

-I don't have an air brush. Can it be done with thinned paint? I use only Tamiyas's paints, just a convenience as that is what the local shop has.

Many thanks...

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