BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Any new updates from Dragon?

 

The only new one I notice from dragon was another commando jeep and 2 more tiger 1 a early and another north African. I think its the famous one they used in the brad Pitt tank movie.

Them are just the type of models I look for. There may be more.

Any new updates from Dragon?

Moff...thank you found them. I didn't know cyberhobby had a site. On thing I did find there is a dragon Sherman kit #6041 it has the 60 rockets on either side the turret. Its the moste prized model in my stash my wife got it for me in 97 I haven't seen another one other then mine. Its not on the dragon site.

But I didn't get the modling bug again till s few yrs ago.

Thanks again for the info.

hogfanfs

I've seen several Dragon kits listed on eBay with the seller stating this is the re-released kit with DS tracks and no metal barrel. You can see one here. Granted, before Dragon re-release these kits, some were priced over $100.

Seems to be the new norm with Dragon. I can't say I'll never buy another Dragon kit, but, I will be very cautious.

 

I've seen several Dragon kits listed on eBay with the seller stating this is the re-released kit with DS tracks and no metal barrel. You can see one here. Granted, before Dragon re-release these kits, some were priced over $100.

Seems to be the new norm with Dragon. I can't say I'll never buy another Dragon kit, but, I will be very cautious.

blackdog62

So dose anybody know if there going to start selling there magic track as a stand alone kit ?

 

 

They do in fact sell them seperately, through CyberHobby. They're a little hard to track down though. Look at the first three results in the CyberHobby search. 

http://www.cyber-hobby.com/shop/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=Magic+Track 

https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/browse.php?kw=magic,track 

This is a bit of topic here but I'm wondering it looks that dragon is dropping its magic tracks and replacing them with DS tracks.

So dose anybody know if there going to start selling there magic track as a stand alone kit ?

Back on topic I have the same kits of there African panzer3 old kit has magic tracks and new release has DS the box is the same but on back they replaced the magic pic with DS and are still charging the same price for the down grade. Not cool

If anything they should add both tracks that would be really nice . some modelers have complained that they can't work with parts that small.

Still no response...

CN Spots

Things like this are why I wish more model selling sites had "customer reviews" with each kit.  If you could post this problem on the selling page of that kit, you'd nip this in the bud pretty quickly.

Speaking of Scalehobbyist, I've mentioned this to them along with adding a space/sci-fi category and a real live human responded within minutes.  Apparently, it's in the works.

 

They're good people. 

 

Things like this are why I wish more model selling sites had "customer reviews" with each kit.  If you could post this problem on the selling page of that kit, you'd nip this in the bud pretty quickly.

Speaking of Scalehobbyist, I've mentioned this to them along with adding a space/sci-fi category and a real live human responded within minutes.  Apparently, it's in the works.

They're good people. 

I just sent it: so far no reply.

Do keep us posted.

Bish

 

 

Moff

I think it was a "dirty trick" and not an error, because they don't advertise the metal parts on the box. I've checked the Adam Mann video review, and they do advertise the metal parts on the earlier box. The new instructions also make no mention of the goodies.

 

 

 

 

Right, in that case i think you may be right. Switing the magic tracks for DS is one thing, this is just nasty.

 

Moff

I think it was a "dirty trick" and not an error, because they don't advertise the metal parts on the box. I've checked the Adam Mann video review, and they do advertise the metal parts on the earlier box. The new instructions also make no mention of the goodies.

 

Right, in that case i think you may be right. Switing the magic tracks for DS is one thing, this is just nasty.

I think it was a "dirty trick" and not an error, because they don't advertise the metal parts on the box. I've checked the Adam Mann video review, and they do advertise the metal parts on the earlier box. The new instructions also make no mention of the goodies.

I have not seen any adds, but i have seen some info on sites. This is on scalemates. This is the original release of the Hummel kit #6321

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/108451-dragon-6321-hummel

And this the 2015 release labeled new production run.

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/960461-dragon-6321-sd-kfz-165-hummel

I have not seen anything similar for the 88 and the new riuns seem to focus on replacing the tracks. It is worth seeing what Dragon have to say on it.

Bish

 

 

Gamera

That does seem nutty as well as cheap, so even if you buy an older kit at a show or Ebay you can't tell which kit it is from the stock number, you'd have to open the kit.

Edit: Though since Dragon lists the features on the back of the box I guess you could flip the kit over if you have it to check???

 

 

 

 

Ye, thye don't exactly hide the fact they are altering the kits. Which is why i think Moff's issue is an error.

Problem with it being shown on the back is that if your buying on line, you might not be able to see the back.

 

Gamera

That does seem nutty as well as cheap, so even if you buy an older kit at a show or Ebay you can't tell which kit it is from the stock number, you'd have to open the kit.

Edit: Though since Dragon lists the features on the back of the box I guess you could flip the kit over if you have it to check???

 

Ye, thye don't exactly hide the fact they are altering the kits. Which is why i think Moff's issue is an error.

Problem with it being shown on the back is that if your buying on line, you might not be able to see the back.

goldhammer

I'd contact them NICELY and explain the issue......who knows, they might dig around over there and send you the missing goodie bag.

 

That does seem nutty as well as cheap, so even if you buy an older kit at a show or Ebay you can't tell which kit it is from the stock number, you'd have to open the kit.

Edit: Though since Dragon lists the features on the back of the box I guess you could flip the kit over if you have it to check???

I'd contact them NICELY and explain the issue......who knows, they might dig around over there and send you the missing goodie bag.

I contact Dragon every time I find a boo boo in their instruction sheets which is purty common. I love their molding and detail quality  but some of their instruction sheets miss number certain parts or just don't list them at all. It's not a big deal for me cause this hair pulling task is ok since I have no hair to pull! I would contact them with your complaint as it's good to let them know how the consumer feels. 

Mof, i have done some searching. I can't find any mention of a new production run for the dragon 88 as they have done with other kits. This could well be a genuine error rather than their dirty tricks.

Moff

My LHS is 4th generation family owned, class act people. I was once a bit scolded, when they learned I had been just correcting serious flaws in kits I had bought there. They insisted that it was best for them and the customers to return flawed kits, to be exchanged for correct ones. They then deal with the distributors, for the shop's return of inferior products.

The reasoning is sound, to quote the owners, "if the manufacturers aren't made aware of inferior products they distribute, and then held accountable, there is no incentive for them to monitor and improve their product quality." I fully agree.

Thank goodness for equitable dealers such as Scale Hobbyist, that stand by their customers. So I also recommend contacting Dragon, or any other company that might be comfortable with just doing as they wish, when delivering products to purchasers.

What's the worst that can happen, just be ignored????

Moff, i have noticed that with other kits. Replacing perfectly good DS tracks with those DS tracks. It now make sthings very tricky when buying a kit. And they have the bare faced cheack to charge the same price.

They certainly seem to have lst there touch. I would certainyl echo Karl, get in touch with Dragon.

I would ask you to PLEASE CONTACT Dragon, otherwise your disappointment and anger here would all be for naught. Tell them exactly what you thought you were getting and how plainly dishonest it is of them to pull thus bait-and-switch, and how it will affect your confidence in purchasing back-catalog items in the future. The only way that money- grubbing tactics like this are going to be curtailed is if enough people complain. 

I would also encourage you to post your experience on any other modeling website of which you are part. I'm fully convinced that all the modeling companies watch the major forums for input and feedback, and hopefully a massive disapproval of their sales tactics will dissuade them from continuing this plainly deceitful scam.

Sadly, it would seem Dragon's heyday has passed, and they are intent on quashing any fond memories of the good ol' days. What I am about to say is not a defense of their bait & switch - bear that in mind. But I feel stuff like this happens because they are getting flat out desperate.

At one time, they were the only major manufacturer of serious models coming out of the PRC. Now there are many. And to large extent, the availability of kits with broad market appeal has been absolutely MILKED to death by Dragon and their now numerous competitors. They are really scraping the bottom of the armor barrel to come up with stuff that will sell enough and hasn't been done 8000000000000000000 times already. The cow is getting mighty dry.....

Saw the same thing in the railroad industry in the early 2000s. Companies were falling over each other to release six new $1000 locomotive sets every week for every obscure line out there. Then they stopped selling, as the market couldn't support it any longer. And their customers who remember the railroad fondly as an everyday part of their lives began dying off in mass.

Not all gloom and doom. I'm not certain a dark age is imminent here, but with so many competitors in a market space that isn't expanding is going to see things like this happen, even to formerly 'good' companies. Glad your retailer stepped up on this, and hope you do build the kit.