So what is it with..................

Not sure if I completely understand if you are asking for opinions on how to handle such behavior or just how to put up with it without hawling back and taking a swing at the unwelcome " advisor" .

I know someone in a local IPMS club like that. I don't let him bother me, but then I don't enter contests.

If someone offers unrequested "advice" and I have time to listen, I will listen long enough to determine if the advice is useful. If it is useful, I will ask questions for specifics.

If the advice is not useful or I already know the information, then I will try to politely cut the session short as I have little enough time left on this planet and don't wish to waste my remaining time.

OTOH, if the advisor is a supervisor, then finding an intermittent electrical fault might be easier to deal with.

Short answer from me is that my time is prioritized with survival, family and earning a living taking priority.

Hobbies are lower on the list of priorities.

I hope my answer was useful. 

I guess I was just mentioning it because of curiosity. We come to places like this because we enjoy the hobby and you get some folks to take it to an upscaled level of seriousness or whatever and deflate the fun level some.

Well, maybe I've just met too many people over time.

I figure it this way:

if I let 'em bother me, they win.

Mustang1989,

Someone once told me, "The cream always rises to the top, but so does the scum."

I never understood dairy references. 

Gary

GAF

Mustang1989,

Someone once told me, "The cream always rises to the top, but so does the scum."

I never understood dairy references. 

Gary

 

Maybe they never mixed salad dressing..........

Sprue-ce Goose

 

GAF

Mustang1989,

Someone once told me, "The cream always rises to the top, but so does the scum."

I never understood dairy references. 

Gary

 

 

 

Maybe they never mixed salad dressing..........

 

 

 

Well, you're talking about hubris, I believe, excessive self-confidence or pride, and I am reminded of an example from history, the Roman triumph.

The triumphal procession was just about the highest honor the Romans could award, short of deification, to a commander who won great victories in battle, or won a war.  In fact, it was practically a deification, if for a day.  You can imagine that someone with the qualities necessary to lead a nation's army in battle probably has a good, healthy dose of self-confidence to begin with. 

Well, the Romans had a keen sense of human nature, and realized that something like the adulation of the nation could send someone already pretty self-confident, cocky, even, over the edge.  So, over time, they developed the custom of having someone accompany the victor in his chariot, to repeat the phrase, "Remember that you are mortal."

It seems wise to remember this at all times, in any of our endeavors, that no matter how good you get, you're still mortal, there are always new things to learn, proficiency levels to maintain, and there are always others striving to outdo you.  When you win the crown, smile, blush and say, "Aw, shucks!".

the Baron

Well, you're talking about hubris, I believe, excessive self-confidence or pride, and I am reminded of an example from history, the Roman triumph.

The triumphal procession was just about the highest honor the Romans could award, short of deification, to a commander who won great victories in battle, or won a war.  In fact, it was practically a deification, if for a day.  You can imagine that someone with the qualities necessary to lead a nation's army in battle probably has a good, healthy dose of self-confidence to begin with. 

Well, the Romans had a keen sense of human nature, and realized that something like the adulation of the nation could send someone already pretty self-confident, cocky, even, over the edge.  So, over time, they developed the customer of having someone accompany the victor in his chariot, to repeat the phrase, "Remember that you are mortal."

It seems wise to remember this at all times, in any of our endeavors, that no matter how good you get, you're still mortal, there are always new things to learn, proficiency levels to maintain, and there are always others striving to outdo you.  When you win the crown, smile, blush and say, "Aw, shucks!".

 

 

^^^^This

Thanks for that!

Gary

I've seen a lot of command types come and go over the length of my career. The good ones were just overpromoted police officers/detectives. Their egos, their personalities, everything about them, exuded self confidence. No cockiness, no self promotion, just a dedication to the folks who worked for them and the job itself.

These guys and gals always put the well being of the troops first. They knew that their people would work their azzes off because the boss had their back.

The bad ones, marginal and truly incompetent, were the group who felt entitled to lead. It's the "I are smart, I got promoted, see?" syndrom.

The inadequate personalities always pushed them to dominate, fearing exposure of their own flaws.  Self promotion and laziness are hallmarks. These folks always look good in the eyes of upper management, they make it that way. Through force, coercion and outright domination they make themselves look grandiose. These guys and gals talk a good game but when it comes time to put up or shut up, they will toss anyone who is perceived as a threat to their image under the bus.

OldGoat

I've seen a lot of command types come and go over the length of my career. The good ones were just overpromoted police officers/detectives. Their egos, their personalities, everything about them, exuded self confidence. No cockiness, no self promotion, just a dedication to the folks who worked for them and the job itself.

These guys and gals always put the well being of the troops first. They knew that their people would work their azzes off because the boss had their back.

The bad ones, marginal and truly incompetent, were the group who felt entitled to lead. It's the "I are smart, I got promoted, see?" syndrom.

The inadequate personalities always pushed them to dominate, fearing exposure of their own flaws.  Self promotion and laziness are hallmarks. These folks always look good in the eyes of upper management, they make it that way. Through force, coercion and outright domination they make themselves look grandiose. These guys and gals talk a good game but when it comes time to put up or shut up, they will toss anyone who is perceived as a threat to their image under the bus.

 

Well, it takes all kinds.

Some types just need their ego to be fed. If nobody tells them they're great, they'll tell everyone they're great, through belittling and berating others. Overcompensation for their own inadequecies somewhere in the life. Narcissistic and sociopathic. Don't know that there's any science or fact to support this, but in my experience, those tendencies seem to be more prevalent with the first born.

OldGoat

 

The inadequate personalities always pushed them to dominate, fearing exposure of their own flaws.  Self promotion and laziness are hallmarks. These folks always look good in the eyes of upper management, they make it that way. Through force, coercion and outright domination they make themselves look grandiose. These guys and gals talk a good game but when it comes time to put up or shut up, they will toss anyone who is perceived as a threat to their image under the bus.

 

Ah yes...the good ole "Blue Falcon" type!

fermis

 

Don't know that there's any science or fact to support this, but in my experience, those tendencies seem to be more prevalent with the first born.

 

What if a person is an only child?

mustang1989

 

OldGoat

I've seen a lot of command types come and go over the length of my career. The good ones were just overpromoted police officers/detectives. Their egos, their personalities, everything about them, exuded self confidence. No cockiness, no self promotion, just a dedication to the folks who worked for them and the job itself.

These guys and gals always put the well being of the troops first. They knew that their people would work their azzes off because the boss had their back.

The bad ones, marginal and truly incompetent, were the group who felt entitled to lead. It's the "I are smart, I got promoted, see?" syndrom.

The inadequate personalities always pushed them to dominate, fearing exposure of their own flaws.  Self promotion and laziness are hallmarks. These folks always look good in the eyes of upper management, they make it that way. Through force, coercion and outright domination they make themselves look grandiose. These guys and gals talk a good game but when it comes time to put up or shut up, they will toss anyone who is perceived as a threat to their image under the bus.

 

 

 

 

Been there and seen it. To tone it down a bit, there's a sayin' in the military, "You screw up, you move up."

 

 

I've been lucky in that most of my co-workers and bosses on the civvy side have been good ones---only one PIA and that was when I spent 2 years painting motorhomes.....

Then they are definitely the first born!

But...it don't really mean much or dictate those personality types. I know plenty of first borns that are just normal, good people.

I really do not know if birth order effects narcissistic tendencies, sociopathology, or personal inadequacies.

I do know if you are an only child you are definately the "first born". 

Done a lot of "psychological profiling"over the years.

I have found that it's all subjective. 

The world wonders... But seriously, folks like that can take the pleasure out of anything. I have come across plenty of LAMs (Look At Me!) in the military and in law enforcement over the past 30+ years. I have learned about them, about myself, and about the difference between competence and confidence. 

I think most of us here choose to partake in this hobby for enjoyment and relaxation. Folks like that tend to kill both aspects of that. But in the long run, no matter how good one is at this hobby, in the long run it is just that. A HOBBY. The fate of nations, communities or mankind does not depend upon  our actions here. Only our own individual contentment.

stikpusher

The world wonders... But seriously, folks like that can take the pleasure out of anything. I have come across plenty of LAMs (Look At Me!) in the military and in law enforcement over the past 30+ years. I have learned about them, about myself, and about the difference between competence and confidence. 

I think most of us here choose to partake in this hobby for enjoyment and relaxation. Folks like that tend to kill both aspects of that. But in the long run, no matter how good one is at this hobby, in the long run it is just that. A HOBBY. The fate of nations, communities or mankind does not depend upon  our actions here. Only our own individual contentment.

 

Getting good at your job is expected, it's how you earn a living. The better you are, the more chance for better pay. This is of up-most importance, it's how you pay your mortgage, pay-off your car loan, feed you family, and pay your taxes.

This is what a hobby is to me:

Hobbies should be about relaxing and getting away from the daily grind. A hobby should be fun, entertaing, and therapeutic. There's nothing wrong with getting good at your hobby, but there is also no deadline or timeframe to do so. If a hobby becomes a chore, it is no longer a hobby. If your hobby becomes your job, it is no longer a hobby.

I've been comming to this forum on and off for years. I stopped visiting this site after a certain person started spouting off about almost everything. I just became tired of it. I come to this forum to have fun and talk to people who enjoy this hobby. I also like to learn what i can, but I will never be pressured to be a perfectionist, or try to meet others so called model building standards. Most of the guys who visit this forum are friendly, easy going individuals, but some just come across as over bearing blowhards (no names).

If your a perfectionist, thats fine, but you shouldnt destroy a forum that is designed for fun.

stikpusher

... in the long run it is just that. A HOBBY. The fate of nations, communities or mankind does not depend upon  our actions here. Only our own individual contentment.

 

Truth...it's what you speak!

Having a "visible' ego and/or arrogance about anything is pretty ridiculous...especially when it's about making little plastic airplanes. So what if you're great...if you're a jackwagon about it, nobody's gonna want anything to do with you. Just like a beautiful woman, who knows she's beautiful and has the attitude that goes along with it...she becomes very ugly. An average woman with a great attitude is far more attractive.

fermis

Just like a beautiful woman, who knows she's beautiful and has the attitude that goes along with it...she becomes very ugly. An average woman with a great attitude is far more attractive.

Absolutely!!!!

spiralcity

I've been comming to this forum on and off for years. I stopped visiting this site after a certain person started spouting off about almost everything. I just became tired of it. I come to this forum to have fun and talk to people who enjoy this hobby. I also like to learn what i can, but I will never be pressured to be a perfectionist, or try to meet others so called model building standards. Most of the guys who visit this forum are friendly, easy going individuals, but some just come across as over bearing blowhards (no names).

djjeavons

 

fermis

Just like a beautiful woman, who knows she's beautiful and has the attitude that goes along with it...she becomes very ugly. An average woman with a great attitude is far more attractive.

 

 

 

Absolutely!!!!

 

Joe, I think this is the case with everything in life and a select group of people in all lines of work. I deal with similar things in my line of work as an emergency dispatch supervisor. I often see dispatchers who are, no-doubtedly, great at their job; however, once they are recognized by their supervisor or someone else in management, they get this attitude like they are the best and now they dont have to put in the effort to their job. Great, I'm glad these people are able to be recognized for doing a great job, but that does not mean that they are exempt from doing work, just because they had that one "awesome" call or they have completed tasks above and beyond their normal duties.

I too have seen this in the modeling forums as well and its kind of disheartening that this happens. I know where my skill level is, and I am always trying to improve on areas that I know that I am weak at. I also do not intend to be entering my builds in any shows anytime soon, mainly because of a lack of time to do so, and the fact that I build for myself mainly. IF I ever get around to entering a show I will be honored to just let others see what I can do.

I have learned so much from the people here and I truly welcome the advise and tips I've received. My skills have improved in some areas and others I'm still afraid to try, mainly because I dont want to waste the money I spent on AM items for a kit and then have them look like junk!

My personal opinion, in the work environment setting, is that these attitudes are normally seen by individuals from the younger generation that have an attitude of "What's in it for me?" They dont think about how their actions may be interpeted by others, or flat just dont care. I will say, this is not everyone from this generation, but it is most. Unfortunately I see this in one of my own daughters, she is in her early 20's and we constantly are dealing with her lack of motivation and complains about her job everytime she gets told to change the way she does something. I didnt raise her to be that way, as I was raised to respect my elders and learn from others who have "real-life" experiences.

Thank you Joe for letting me vent.

During a 35 year career, this hobby kept me sane. Still does in my retirement. My lovely wife tolerates the mess and could really care less what I spend.

It keeps me quiet and out of her way........................

I like to try new techniques and push the limits, Rinaldi's books gave me the inspiration to go to another level. It regenerated the hobby for me and I'm having even more fun.  

If someone wants to paint a "paper panzer" pink, so be it! Want to go all hog wild on a Luft '46 or Post Apoc build ? Go crazy! I'll look and tell you that you did a fine job,because well, you did!  

No one is the absolute authority on this hobby.

As far as work, every case was new, every one started the same. Someone was dead and we had to determine how they got that way. Ego, cockiness and arrogance had no place in a homicide investigation. I really disliked the person(s) who came in all puffed up making proclamations at minute one. That didn't help me a bit. 

Typical dark humor for your enjoyment. I actually have one of these packed away somewhere since retirement.

OldGoat

Typical dark humor for your enjoyment. I actually have one of these packed away somewhere since retirement.

 

For some reason, I now have an image of you and Quincy, M.E. huddled over the newest case........

OldGoat

Typical dark humor for your enjoyment. I actually have one of these packed away somewhere since retirement.

 

My mother has a sign on her home office wall as well. She is the county coroner here in my corner of the world.

spiralcity

...I've been comming to this forum on and off for years. I stopped visiting this site after a certain person started spouting off about almost everything. I just became tired of it...

Well, I hope either he's gone now, or you've gotten to where you can ignore him, because you shouldn't let something like that keep you away.  I hope you're back again, to stay.

Best regards,

Brad

 Gotta agree with all that.  I think as modeling chat forums go, the one here is one of the better, if not the best, ones out there in terms of everyone supporting each other.  I'm also a member of two other forums where it's no doubt that everyone knows their stuff.  The sad part is that everyone on those forums is so busy trying to "one-up" the next guy with their knowledge of stuff that it's taken all the joy out of the hobby.  It seems like the folks here on the FSM forum are the only ones who remember that a hobby, no matter what it is, is supposed to be FUN!

Spiral, I hope you come back to the forum more and more.  We all share the same experiences, the highs, the lows both in life and in our hobby.  Hopefully we all remember that and continue to make the FSM a great place to hang out.

Eric

Sprue-ce Goose

 

 

OldGoat

Typical dark humor for your enjoyment. I actually have one of these packed away somewhere since retirement.

 

 

 

 

For some reason, I now have an image of you and Quincy, M.E. huddled over the newest case........

 

A case of beer maybe.......LOL