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  • From: Pottsboro,Tx
No Chuck Yeager
Posted by Mars on Monday, June 12, 2017 2:37 PM

I just got my Pegasus 1/18 X-1 model in the mail. Before it was shrink wrapped, someone took a black magic marker and blacked out all references to Glamorous  Glennis and Chuck Yeager on the box and in the instructions. And to top that they cut out the Glamorous Glennis decal. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, June 12, 2017 2:39 PM

Where did you get this kit?

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 12, 2017 3:58 PM

I did some looking around. The figure as far as I can tell never came with the toy, or the model version. AFA as the decal, it's the box art. Did that get blacked out too.

If I were to guess, it sounds like there was a license (no license) issue.

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Posted by Raulduke on Monday, June 12, 2017 4:53 PM

Hmmm? Yeah that sure sounds like some kind of copyright issue. Was there a broom stick in the box?

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, June 12, 2017 4:56 PM

If the decal was cut from the sheet, I'd guess an ebay deal that was resealed.  Or maybe a LHS that got an estate deal and resealed boxes.  I know one shop here that will re-shrink estate/collection stuff, but it is "as is".

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  • From: Cat Central, NC
Posted by Bronto on Monday, June 12, 2017 7:25 PM

The kit is not a reseal.  This is how the kits were shipped.  Pegasus was unable to obtain the rights to use the copyright for Chuck Yeager and Glamorous Glennis thus they had to remove the unapproved items from the decals and boxart.

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Monday, June 12, 2017 7:53 PM

I'd send it back for a refund!  (Stern letter to follow...)  Censored

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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  • From: Pottsboro,Tx
Posted by Mars on Monday, June 12, 2017 8:52 PM

modelcrazy

Where did you get this kit?

 

modelcrazy

Where did you get this kit?

 

Ebay

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  • From: Pottsboro,Tx
Posted by Mars on Monday, June 12, 2017 8:53 PM

GMorrison

I did some looking around. The figure as far as I can tell never came with the toy, or the model version. AFA as the decal, it's the box art. Did that get blacked out too.

If I were to guess, it sounds like there was a license (no license) issue.

 

On the box art, Glamorous Glennis was blacked out

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  • From: Pottsboro,Tx
Posted by Mars on Monday, June 12, 2017 8:55 PM

No broom stick, no pilot. I have a 1/32 Revell X-1 that has both

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Posted by Mars on Monday, June 12, 2017 9:00 PM

Cadet Chuck

I'd send it back for a refund!  (Stern letter to follow...)  Censored

 

Cadet Chuck

I'd send it back for a refund!  (Stern letter to follow...)  Censored

 

I considered it but I really have a thing for the X-1 and I love the 1/18 scale X-1. But it wont be right without the GG decal, for me anyway. I have a 1/32 X-1 and may paint it with the white on top version and use the GG decal on the 1/18 if it looks good. Otherwise I'm looking for the right decal if anyone has an idea

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, June 12, 2017 10:02 PM

GMorrison

I did some looking around. The figure as far as I can tell never came with the toy, or the model version. AFA as the decal, it's the box art. Did that get blacked out too.

If I were to guess, it sounds like there was a license (no license) issue.

 

How does one copyright something owned by the taxpayers? The X-1 was funded by NACA, the predecessor for NASA, and owned by the USAF. No matter what name a pilot may paint on an aircraft, it still belongs to the US Government. Unless it is one day sold off. Like the Mercury Capsule Frienship 7 or Apollo Command Module Columbia,  or Space Shuttle Enterprise, those are public owned historical names. 

 

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Posted by ugamodels on Monday, June 12, 2017 10:43 PM

Decals can be printed from a computer.  Get the correct color (white or clear) and the correct type  (laser or inkjet ) and make what you need.

I type on a tablet. Please excuse the terseness and the autocorrect. Not to mention the erors. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, June 12, 2017 10:45 PM

I hadn't though of that Hmm

Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:44 AM

stikpusher

 

 
GMorrison

I did some looking around. The figure as far as I can tell never came with the toy, or the model version. AFA as the decal, it's the box art. Did that get blacked out too.

If I were to guess, it sounds like there was a license (no license) issue.

 

 

 

How does one copyright something owned by the taxpayers? The X-1 was funded by NACA, the predecessor for NASA, and owned by the USAF. No matter what name a pilot may paint on an aircraft, it still belongs to the US Government. Unless it is one day sold off. Like the Mercury Capsule Frienship 7 or Apollo Command Module Columbia,  or Space Shuttle Enterprise, those are public owned historical names. 

 

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Posted by hypertex on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 5:51 AM

stikpusher

How does one copyright something owned by the taxpayers? The X-1 was funded by NACA, the predecessor for NASA, and owned by the USAF. No matter what name a pilot may paint on an aircraft, it still belongs to the US Government. Unless it is one day sold off. Like the Mercury Capsule Frienship 7 or Apollo Command Module Columbia,  or Space Shuttle Enterprise, those are public owned historical names. 

The removal of yeager isn't for copyright reasons. It's a matter of likeness rights. These rights are outside of intellectual property law, and are not federal. They fall under the category of 'privacy.' Basically, every person has an exclusive right to the commercial exploitation of their name, image, or likeness. Licenses can be granted, for a price.

Does anyone remember Leonard Nimoy suing paramount over beer ads featuring Spock? I think this happened in the seventies. Paramount and the beer company didn't secure permission from Nimoy to use his likeness in those ads.

I'd guess the kit maker didn't get permission from Yeager. Whether those rights will survive a person's death is another matter, and will vary by State. Although Yeager is still alive, I think that blacking out all refereces to him in the instructions goes too far (insofar as they give historical information). The kit maker could probably have included a generic pilot figure and not referred to it as 'Yeager,' as long as it didn't look like Yeager.

The Glamourous Glennis issue is a more complex matter. The phrase may have been trademarked at one point. Or it may be protected as a likeness right of Yeager's Wife. Or whoever painted the name on the airplane may have copyrighted the artwork. The law on this has changed since 1947, so I don't really know.

As for the design of aircraft and spacecraft, that is protected by copyright (and maybe some patents as well). The copyrights would be owned by the designer, or whomever they sold those rights to. That the taxpayers fit the bill does not matter (although, some believe that the law should be changed in that regard). So North American would have owned the copyrights to the Apollo Command Module, and those are now owned by Boeing as successor.

And finally, in the USA there is no such thing as public ownership.

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Posted by Jay Jay on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 8:34 AM

LAWYERS...PFFFFT !  Huh?

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 9:00 AM

Discussions like this are way over my tiny brain.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:02 PM

Jay Jay

LAWYERS...PFFFFT !  Huh?

 

 

Amen...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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