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Posted by German Armour on Tuesday, March 12, 2019 2:33 PM

Well, if you can afford buying the extra models, then go for it. But, if you don't have much money, then recasting for your self would be ok. |As long as you don't sell any of the kits.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:03 PM

Rob Gronovius

 

 
GMorrison

As for the original question, my own opinion is closer to what Tojo originally pointed to. 

If I buy an object and replicate it because I want multiple of it, that would not be the intent of the original creator.

 

 

Recasting for personal use has been around for ages, Shep Paine talked about it in his decades old books. It started with needing multiple copies of things like 5 gallon cans, drums, arms for additional poses, etc.

 

 

My understanding is that Verlinden started his resin figures using the old 1/32 Airfix multipose figures as his starting point. Of course they were altered from the originals... 

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, March 12, 2019 12:18 PM

GMorrison

As for the original question, my own opinion is closer to what Tojo originally pointed to. 

If I buy an object and replicate it because I want multiple of it, that would not be the intent of the original creator.

Recasting for personal use has been around for ages, Shep Paine talked about it in his decades old books. It started with needing multiple copies of things like 5 gallon cans, drums, arms for additional poses, etc.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, March 11, 2019 9:12 AM

Hey;

 Someone mentioned a Gramaphone . What's wrong with them ? We thought the scratches and groans were part of the music . Besides it was a nice looking piece of Furniture !

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, March 10, 2019 11:59 AM

Rob Gronovius

That's because vinyl is making a comeback thanks to hipsters and music aficionados.

 

We were the orginal hipsters before they were. They're the ones missed out how we to listened to music before 8 track, cassettes, and beta....

We all still held on to our LPs and 45s records. Now it's time these companies come out with the big stereos we used to have back in the 80's. Those little phographs don't even come close compare to the big ones. LOL!!

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, March 10, 2019 10:58 AM

The superiority of vinyl records was a concept when they were replaced with analog magnetic tape recordings. Even then, it depended on a lot of other parameters.

I am no expert, but I do think digital recording has changed all of that.

As for the original question, my own opinion is closer to what Tojo originally pointed to. 

If I buy an object and replicate it because I want multiple of it, that would not be the intent of the original creator.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, March 10, 2019 10:38 AM

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I understand the nostalgia, but I would argue the sound quality.  Digitization noise is well below the noise of the surface noise of a needle and grooves.

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The man is a big music fan. One day, I passed his cubicle and he calls me in for a listen to his latest music find. He had a CD playing through desktop speakers. Immediately, I say, what is wrong with your CD player? It doesn't sound right. He looks at me, mystified. What do you mean, he asks. I told him it sounds distorted. He looks at me and says, yeah it's probably a bad connection. At which he begins giggling the speaker wire resulting in a lot of distortion. Then he says, very good! I am impressed you could hear that. I am thinking, how could you NOT!

I walked away thinking... and you can hear hysteresis losses.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:24 AM

Rob Gronovius

That's because vinyl is making a comeback thanks to hipsters and music aficionados.

 

I understand the nostalgia, but I would argue the sound quality.  Digitization noise is well below the noise of the surface noise of a needle and grooves.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:22 AM

Est.1961

 

 
Tojo72

 

 
steve5

what's a cassette .Wink

 

 

 

Its like an 8-track or Beta-max tape Big Smile

 

 

 

Noticed Steve5 didn't want to know what a vinyl record was; thankfully I can say the Grammaphone was before my time.

 

When I was young, I don't believe records were vinyl.  They were real brittle, made from something similar to bakelite, and 78 rpm.  The vinyl, I believe, came with the 45s and long play discs.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:02 PM

That's because vinyl is making a comeback thanks to hipsters and music aficionados.

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Posted by Est.1961 on Saturday, March 9, 2019 4:46 PM

Tojo72

 

 
steve5

what's a cassette .Wink

 

 

 

Its like an 8-track or Beta-max tape Big Smile

 

Noticed Steve5 didn't want to know what a vinyl record was; thankfully I can say the Grammaphone was before my time.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, March 9, 2019 6:32 AM

steve5

what's a cassette .Wink

 

Its like an 8-track or Beta-max tape Big Smile

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Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, March 9, 2019 6:31 AM

Rob Gronovius

 

 
Tojo72

Just a question on this,just to understand if I may.some one buys one figure,say from Alpine,but then wants more of them for his own use,so he duplicates the original to make six more for his own use.Thats considered acceptable ? Why,is he not robbing the sale of six more figures from Alpine ? 

Not condemning anyone or defending a viewpoint ,just want to understand the thinking,do I have it right ?

 

 

It's the same concept in music. If I buy the vinyl record, I can make a cassette recording of it to play in my car or on my walkman. I cannot make a copy to sell though. Nor do I have to buy the cassette version if I wanted to play it in my car.

 

 

Thank you Rob,makes sense,a law would really be unenforceable 

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Posted by hypertex on Saturday, March 9, 2019 6:24 AM

richs26

Remember the 2017 Supreme Court decision on the people's right to own their products, lock, stock, and software.

Can you give more information on this decision? I haven't heard of it.

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, March 9, 2019 2:55 AM

what's a cassette .Wink

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, March 9, 2019 12:39 AM

Tojo72

Just a question on this,just to understand if I may.some one buys one figure,say from Alpine,but then wants more of them for his own use,so he duplicates the original to make six more for his own use.Thats considered acceptable ? Why,is he not robbing the sale of six more figures from Alpine ? 

Not condemning anyone or defending a viewpoint ,just want to understand the thinking,do I have it right ?

It's the same concept in music. If I buy the vinyl record, I can make a cassette recording of it to play in my car or on my walkman. I cannot make a copy to sell though. Nor do I have to buy the cassette version if I wanted to play it in my car.

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, March 8, 2019 6:04 PM

Easy to understand.  You BOUGHT the figures from Alpine.  You are not leasing them.  As long as it is for your own personal use and not selling them, it is ok.  Remember the 2017 Supreme Court decision on the people's right to own their products, lock, stock, and software.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, March 8, 2019 4:43 PM

Just a question on this,just to understand if I may.some one buys one figure,say from Alpine,but then wants more of them for his own use,so he duplicates the original to make six more for his own use.Thats considered acceptable ? Why,is he not robbing the sale of six more figures from Alpine ? 

Not condemning anyone or defending a viewpoint ,just want to understand the thinking,do I have it right ?

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, March 8, 2019 11:26 AM

Recasting for your own personal use has always been acceptable in modeling circles. Even the late Shep Paine used recasting of kit parts and figures to build his amazing dioramas.

Now are you planning on making modifications to an old figure and then recast it for other purposes than your own personal use?

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Recasting for Personal Use, Customizing
Posted by satoshisangel on Thursday, March 7, 2019 2:19 PM

Now I am well aware of the legal implications of recasting anything. As well as the stigma that follows people that genuinely want to pursue recasting in anyway.

But this is solely for customizing!

I am seeking to bright to life a design from another artist, with a few modifications based on the kits I can source. I have read up on the topic and are very much aware of the steps and money that is needed to recast. However, this information is almost a decade old as it is the only information I can find with a reasonable amount of time invested.

I was hoping that posting now I could find some newer information that will help me.

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