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PE bending tool, Worth it?
Posted by BBorBust on Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:00 AM

So as I continue my adventure into modeling, I find myself wanting to do more PE to liven up my models. It started with the small amount of PE that came with my Trumpeter QE, then the eduard railings and cranes PE kit for my tamiya KGV.

 

I am about to pull the trigger on the full PE detail kit for my USS North Carolina. And looking through the instructions online it is obviously much more detailed and intensive than the railings kit I have for the KGV. Up to this point I have been using some other methods to bend my PE. Like tweezers, pliers, an old wooden ruler.... things of that nature and have had pretty good success.

 

But with the amount of parts and detail with the kit for my N.C. I feel as if a bending tool will help me, especially with some of the more sophisticated parts.

 

I am looking at the Trumpeter photo etch parts bender (medium), and am just questioning myself on how much something like this is needed. Will it truly help my take my PE parts to the next level? Does this tool really work the way they make it sound?

Any advice on this, specifically that particular tool, is appreciated. Yes

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:02 AM

I don't think so. Bought one a few years ago and can count on the fingurs how many times i have used it. handy for large parts like 35th side skirts on armour. Not for small stuff though. I use a pair of smooth flat nosed pliers.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by BBorBust on Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:50 AM

So something like the tamiya smooth PE bending pliers would be better? I bought a speciality set of pliers for models but they arent smooth and have ridges.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:55 AM

Mine are just generic ones, but ye, those sound fine. I just find the tool to big and cumbersome for most of the small items i need to bend. Its just quicker and easier to grab the pliers.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by BBorBust on Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:59 AM

Thanks Bish. Saved me about 20 bucks. I wasnt sure about the actual bending tool. But wanted something made to help with photo etch. I just ordered the full eduard PE detail set for the N.C. and the tamiya PE bending pliers.

 

Where I live the closest thing to a hobby store is walmart really.... There is one actual hobby store but they mainly carry model trains like Lionel. They do have tamiya paints which is convienient. But anything else is scarce as far as modelling goes.

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Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, June 25, 2020 5:58 AM

Once again,  buying something with a model manufacturer'a name or logo will add to the cost of an otherwise commercially inexpensive item

not a wooden ruler, but a 6-inch stainless one,  graduations in 1/32.  Hardware store item

fine point compass,  school geometry drafting package From an office supply store.   Used to measure lengths to cut. Find logical breakpoints; gun tubs, bulkheads, ladderways, other rail runs.  Resist the urge to do the entire length of the ship just because you have a piece of rail that long
 

a pair of single edge razor blades scraper blades.  Hardware store item. To use, hold the piece to be bent down with one blade.   Slide the other blade under the piece so that their blades are facing.  Raise the lower blade in a hinge motion to the desired angle.  

set of drills 1/8 up used for making round bends.  Hardware store item. 

flat & needle point pliers, small.  Mine are from  a discount electronics store but I've seen similar at hobby lobby bead dept   

emory boards/sanding sticks from beauty supply store

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:25 AM

I made one about ten years ago, and I think I used it twice.  Okay for large pieces with a long bend line, but overkill for small parts.  I have a set of flat nose small pliers that I find are quick and easy.  I bend a lot of pe with a screwdriver and a hobby knife with a flat blade (sort of a chisel blade).  I hold the piece down on a block with the (conventional) screwdriver blade, near the fold line.  Then I get the knife edge under the pe piece and bend the blade upward.  Works for 90 % of bends I need.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:08 AM

I have a small parts bender, and I find when using it under my illuminated  bench magnifying glass, I can very accurately set the clamp over the bend mark on the part.  I use a single edge razor blade to make the bend, after it is clamped.  I would not call this a necessity to have, but I do think it provides much greater accuracy than using pliers.  

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:35 PM

Cadet Chuck

I have a small parts bender, and I find when using it under my illuminated  bench magnifying glass, I can very accurately set the clamp over the bend mark on the part.  I use a single edge razor blade to make the bend, after it is clamped.  I would not call this a necessity to have, but I do think it provides much greater accuracy than using pliers.  

 

I agree. Not necessary but pretty useful. 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by ikar01 on Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:11 PM

I once bought a simple bending tool made out of heavy clear plastic.  I used to use it when necessary but haven't touched in some time.  I do have some metal rulers, a couple I used to use at workm back when I had a job, and a coule metal rulers, each with two different scales marked on them, 1/72nd and 1/48th, the other with 1/32nd and 1/35th.  I use them for fine measuring and occasionally for bending longer pieces of P.E..  The regular rulers I would use just for cutting.  Sometimes for bending I use a needle nose plliers to bend some small parts when necseeary.

About the only P.E. tool I have been thinking of getting would be a metal rod segmented into several diameters for parts that had to be made into a circle.  

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:14 PM

ikar01

About the only P.E. tool I have been thinking of getting would be a metal rod segmented into several diameters for parts that had to be made into a circle.  

 

I keep a drill bit set handy for that. Not hobby sizes, machinist sizes. Funny you mention it;

I was building 1/542 radar dishes today.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:35 PM

As for pliers, i got a set from Hobby lobby in their jewelry/bead section.  Several pairs in the zipper pouch including a pair of flat nose nylon lined jaws.  About 12- 14 bucks

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Posted by Glamdring on Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:54 PM

It is a nice thing to have, after I found my hands aren't strong or dextrous enough to use pliers after demolishing several pieces.  So I bought The Small Shop's "The Bug" Hold and Fold earlier this year, and have had good experiences with it. 

It was $39.99 with free shipping on the Bay back when I bought it, and I had a $5 off coupon.  I thought this was a great bargain just for the amount of aggravation it saves me.

Robert 

"I can't get ahead no matter how hard I try, I'm gettin' really good at barely gettin' by"

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, June 26, 2020 12:46 PM

Hi;

 Well, to be honest with you. I have three of the "Must Have" P.E.bending tools. Guess what? I still use my Jewelers Plier set and Special tweezers. And I am faster with the old tools.

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Posted by Wingman_kz on Friday, June 26, 2020 2:04 PM
I'm with Glamdring, bought The Bug from The Small Shop. I don't remember the cost, was probably 10 years ago. I think it's a very handy little tool and you can be very precise with it. Like most everything, lol, you can find a video on YouTube showing how to build a larger tool. Pretty simple and inexpensive to make. If I were bending longer pieces of PE that's what I'd go with. I guess after years of running shears, punches and press brakes I just can't help myself. :-)

            

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Posted by Surface_Line on Sunday, June 28, 2020 1:09 AM

For years, I tried to use the edge of regular flat-faced pliers or the edge of tweezers when I made "square" corners of railings in 1/700.  And the 90 degree corners usually weren't 90 degrees. 

I got the smallest Hold and Fold from The Small Shop and have been very much more successful with that.

Then I tried to gild the danged lily and got the Tamiya long-nosed bending pliers.  A bad choice (for me) as the pivot got sloppy and the jaws stopped lining up flush, resulting in non-90 degree corners.  I got a smaller one from Tamiya that has been good, but no great improvement over the Hold and Fold.

And, even though you didn't ask, I have frequently banged my head against the problem of putting smooth, gentle curves into a piece of PE.  (I think I started using PE railings in 1985)  For 34 years, I got crappy gentle bends.  Recently, I started using a big Pink Pearl eraser (like used by grade school kids) and I press the railing against the eraser using a curved paintbrush handle.  Just like curling ribbon when wrapping a birthday present, additional pressure and/or repeats will impart a sharper curve to the run of PE.  (I had been pressing against the palm of my hand, but it was too soft and the curves were less consistent.)

Good luck,
Rick

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, June 28, 2020 12:01 PM

Hmmm;

    For those "Gentle Bends" ( sounds almost like an old T.V.show!) Well, anyway I use craft foam. It's a sheet about an 1/8" thick. I then use the smallest super ball or dowel I have .Press the P.E. gently and Viola' Gentle Bends!

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Posted by BBorBust on Sunday, June 28, 2020 1:19 PM

Seems my biggest problem with PE is getting a good rounded piece to fit and look perfect. Straight bends have been no problem. I have made due and to the untrained eye, you really cant notice. But I know some of my round bends arent perfect. Some of them have turned out great, others are off a little. I imagine just like this anything else, just requires patience, and time to get the skill down. I will need all of the practice I can get, as I have the full detail set for my North Carolina coming.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, June 28, 2020 1:52 PM

Nearly twenty years ago, when I was building 1/72 scale armor with photo etch, I really needed it. Yes, that's a multi piece machine gun on a penny.

Today, I bypass the intricate PE and build mostly out of box.

But look at this stuff and you tell me.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, July 10, 2020 7:03 AM

Wingman-Kz;

   You may have someone ask you what a Press Brake is. I'll bet many don't know. I do know I got hit by the counter ball one time. Broke my nose. Fellow came up and tried to use the thing while I was repairing it. Said he didn't see the sign!

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Posted by Wingman_kz on Friday, July 10, 2020 10:15 AM

They're for bending LARGE pieces of PE. lol  I gotta confess, I don't know what the counter ball is. A press can be a dangerous piece of equipment. Saw plenty of injuries over the years. Thankfully, I don't have to work quite as hard these days. 

            

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, July 10, 2020 11:09 AM

Hi;

 The Counter Ball is the big Orb or Capsule shaped piece of iron on the handles that helps the bottom( The Folding Brake) to return to upright after the bend. It has just enough weight to bend without messing up the line. Kinda like a Counterbalance.

 I had to laugh when I went to a sign shop. They folded the edges. Well, they had this harness and spring loaded arm retractors so's ya wouldn't get your hands caught in it .Can you believe that?

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, July 10, 2020 11:17 AM

I have to comment again-Sorry:

      I have bought the "Cat's Meow" P.E.Tools. I have used either one of them off and on. I have the Big one, I have the Bug , and others. What do I use ? Two utility knife blades slightly dulled, edge to edge ,I slide one under the P.E.. For really long stuff I use two stainless rulers that I ground the edges perfectly square and then mounted one on a board, used blind nuts in three spots and Wing nuts to secure it, then I fold the other one up. Three Doll House hinges . That's for the long pieces. Kinda like a table top Bending brake that won't hurt you!

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Posted by Wingman_kz on Friday, July 10, 2020 4:25 PM

Tanker-Builder, I got it. You're speaking of a leaf brake. Where you clamp a piece of material between 2 plates, dies, whatever and then the bottom leaf rotates up to bend the material. I've used an old very large one that was all hydraulic and didn't have any exposed counter balance.

Mainly what I have worked with are vertical hydraulic brakes. Generally a V shaped bottom die and a knife shaped top die. The ram cycles down to bend and then up to home position. Mostly with 14ga up to 3/16 material. 

The leaf brake principle is more like bending PE. Clamping on a line and using a blade, finger, pliers to bend up or down. 

Sorry for getting sidetracked folks  :-)

            

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, July 13, 2020 7:07 AM

Ha Ha!

 I knew there was a name for that thing. Just couldn't remember it!

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Posted by seastallion53 on Monday, July 13, 2020 7:24 AM

I do an alot and that had to hurt alot.Crying

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Posted by Mrchntmarine on Monday, July 13, 2020 11:12 AM

I got a medium one from the small shop for 1/700 parts. Before that o tried a flat piece of metal to put them on and another piece to try and hold it and another to make a bend. Yuck. This little tool has been much better for me. It also comes with a long sharp blade to use and free shipping I think. I also 1st tried tamiya bending pliers. No good as they didn't close all the way

Keep on modeling!

All the best,

William

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