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Posted by maxx1969
on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ag918w35
I realize that at the most rareified levels of competition you have to have some way to distinguish one totally amazing model from another, but it seems like there isn't any other reason to worry about this sort of thing. Realizing that this is somewhat like questioning political and/or religious beliefs, can somebody explain the thinking here?
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It's all fun and games until they pull out that dental mirror![Disapprove [V]](/FSM/CS/emoticons/icon_smile_disapprove.gif) . I have never seen any models gone over like they do at IPMS shows. It's major points for something like that. I kinda feel like hey give the guy a break, but in most cases it really comes down to rushing a build that leads to those kind of errors. You could think of it like building a brand new house that only has siding on the front because thats all people will see driving by.
~Matt T Meyer
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Posted by hwells
on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 5:13 PM
i've judged with people who go after that with gusto. I agree with AG up there, can't see it, ain't there. Now what I do look for is wheel and track alignment. I remember a particular spg at a contest a few years ago. It was very well done, complete interior, open engine hatches, all the bells and whistles. What kept it from placing high was the wheels and tracks. All that work with resin and PE were nullified becuase the builder didn't put the same amount of effort into the running gear.
'Go ahead, poke it with a stick, it ain't gonna bite'
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Posted by Anonymous
on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:47 PM
I think you need to make the distinction between people who build for pleasure and people who build for competition? It's very much like photography in theat respect. I build and photograph for me, I don't do competitions, as the only person who needs to think it's good is me! If I don't like it, it won't get shown to anyone.
As for pifalls and mistakes? look, it's a skill, an art, it takes years of learning to achieve first class results, look at andys Ferrari if you doubt that statement! I would love to finish a model to that level, but I know my skill/patiance/ time available, simply would not allow it, so I have to settle at a level that A) lets me finish a model, and B)allows me to progress my hobby at a pace I can sustain in terms of time/money etc.
Each and every one of us, WILL fail at some point, in some way(or is it just me again?)
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Posted by ajlafleche
on Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:11 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by maxx1969
QUOTE: Originally posted by ag918w35
I realize that at the most rareified levels of competition you have to have some way to distinguish one totally amazing model from another, but it seems like there isn't any other reason to worry about this sort of thing. Realizing that this is somewhat like questioning political and/or religious beliefs, can somebody explain the thinking here?
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It's all fun and games until they pull out that dental mirror. I have never seen any models gone over like they do at IPMS shows. It's major points for something like that. I kinda feel like hey give the guy a break, but in most cases it really comes down to rushing a build that leads to those kind of errors. You could think of it like building a brand new house that only has siding on the front because thats all people will see driving by.
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I've been judging at contests for 20 years. Just about every event requires we choose the top 3 models on the tabel. AMPS and figure oriented events use a open system which is somewhat different. Sometimes, choosing the top three is quite easy. Most often, however, it involves some serious comparing of relative qualities. Sometimes, these are three super models and other times it's which are the least bad. In this type of competition, there is no cutting a break. The builder who does the best overall job, gets first. That's what's fair. If two models are equal on top and one has filled or no motor holes and the other has open motor holes, who do you think should come out on top? If I only correct the seams on the top of my plane and leave canyons on the bottom, should I get a higher award then the guy next to me who corrected both? It's no different from racing. If two cars average 190 MPH while on the track but one has to pit more often, who do you think gets the win?
As to dental mirrors (I don't have one but I do use a flashlight to compensate for often poor venue lighting) they would not be necessary of the model were to be picked up.
However, if you choose not to compete and only want to look at the top of youor models, leaving the bottoms unfinished is all up to you.
Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.
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Posted by hwells
on Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:52 AM
Vapo, I can tell the difference. I build for me and I also enter contests. The model I as talking about had a ton of aftermarket stuff in and on it. That part was expertly done, better than I can do. But when you looked at the running gear from the front, the wheel were not in alignment. Also, there were some gravity defying roadwheels, and the tracks were tied together with string that was right smack in the middle of an open space between the wheels.
When you looked at the detail that was added to the model, that was awesome, but when you looked at the build as a whole, it had a lot of basic construction problems. All I'm trying to say is what the title of this tread asks for.
Ajlafleche summed it up pretty good. I have only been judging for about three or four years, but it does help me to try to be a better modeler. It gives me a chance to see how other builders are getting it done.
'Go ahead, poke it with a stick, it ain't gonna bite'
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Posted by Anonymous
on Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:28 AM
The biggest mistake is: Don't drink and model. I've ruined a few kits that way.
Dan
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Posted by Anonymous
on Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:33 PM
I wonder if cell phones have a negative effect on modeling.
My biggest mistake is spilling MicroSol all over my cutting board. Turned it pale green and it still stinks. Awhile back on Hyperscale there was a topic relating to the use of MicroSet and MicroSol and one guy started a chain of people who admitted to have spilled one of them.
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Posted by Bgrigg
on Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:21 AM
Mistake? You mean I'm only allowed one?
As my build table and kitchen table are one and the same, I would say my most common mistake is gluing or painting something just before dinner. Then having to move everything while it is still wet or curing.
Which reminds me...Breakfast is almost ready, I have to go and move my stuff!
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Posted by tigerman
on Sunday, July 17, 2005 6:50 PM
Taking realism too seriously and forgetting what the hobby it is all about: having fun!
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Posted by Anonymous
on Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:33 PM
The greatest mistake is getting into the hobby... (And then you start spending...AND have to find a symathetic girl... Man, coke would have been a better choice: I would spend as much, but the frustration would be much, much less.)
The second greatest is to do an NMF plane... :)
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