hack or rivet-counter which are you

Have to be a hack...i work on the 3ft rule as in does it look good from 3ft  away

                                                                                 mick  

berny13 wrote:

For me, I do not like to look down an intake and see wide open spaces, so I will close off the intake, or wait for AM intake trunks to come out.  Does that make me a rivet-counter?  I don't think so.  It only means I try to produce a model that at least looks like the real thing.  If the shape of the radome is off by 1/64 of an inch or the panels are not 100% correct, I don't care.  Who will know anyhow?   A gross error that is obvious, that is a different story.  I will try to correct it or buy AM parts for it.

That's pretty much where I am.. I want it to look right. I'm not going to change where the panel lines are, and if the canopy doesn't quite have the right shape I'm not going to agonize if I don't fix it. Sometimes some resin, sometimes some P.E., sometimes both and sometimes straight OOTB including kit decals. Just depends on the subject.

But whatever I do, it's a blast, even if it's not perfect!

Jack

I would have to say that I am a hack.  As long as it is close to the original is good enough for me, cause I know that I will never get it to look like the real thing that I am building. 

eizzle wrote:

I would say I'm a hack. I really like to make it right, but it doesn't always happen. When I get so serious about it that I am getting frustrated because its not right, its not fun anymore to me.

Amen brother, that's the way it's supposed to be.

Im without a doubt a hack.  Like Centerdeck I own no styrene, wires or the like.   My library is basically several Walk Arounds and 3 years worth of FSM and SAMI so most of the time my builds are finished long after I see the fixes or corrections for them.  I build for my own enjoymnet and for my wifes.  Even if I was to paint a Bf 109 in USN tri color she would even suspect a thing (or the vast majority of people that come to my house).  So as far as corrections I can say that I havent ever did 1.  In fact I have even made a few mistakes on some of my builds and didnt even realize untill I was looking through a book later.  One of my worst was using the VFI decals instead of VFT decals for Shangri La I still dont know how that mistake came about other than I seem to suffer from ADD.  But I will say that MY execution must be top notch.  Yeah Ive painted planes the wrong color sure.  I use Tamiya acrylics and have to mix my own paint on almost any build I do so sure theres errors.  But the paint must be laid down well and the pattern accurate.  My eye is improving at mixing and also so are my skills in general.  Exteme care is also taken for decals not to silver and in top coating.  So I guess many years from now as my skill grow  Id hope to start down the path of the artist rather than the path of the rivet counter.

n/t

I try to be as correct as possible within certain criteria; time consumption, capital allowance, and the big one, aggravation.

I would say I'm a hack. I really like to make it right, but it doesn't always happen. When I get so serious about it that I am getting frustrated because its not right, its not fun anymore to me.

scottrc wrote:

Yann Solo wrote:  scottrc wrote: Since its hard to count rivets on a sailing ship, I must be a HACK. Or perhaps you're a knots counter! Well, ships do have knots, and they have heads, so that must make me a Knothead.

Had to re-read all this.

It almost.......

(wait for it)

sailed right by me!

Mwahahahahahaha

Yann Solo wrote:

scottrc wrote: Since its hard to count rivets on a sailing ship, I must be a HACK. Or perhaps you're a knots counter!

Well, ships do have knots, and they have heads, so that must make me a Knothead.

scottrc wrote:

Since its hard to count rivets on a sailing ship, I must be a HACK.

Or perhaps you're a knots counter!

Since its hard to count rivets on a sailing ship, I must be a HACK.

I try to be a rivet counter with armor, but a hack for everything else.

Basically, I am a hack but I did try to accurize (to some degree) a few of my models like the Sherman Jumbo and the Panther D.

I'm a hack.

 I spend too much time worrying if a kit is accurate or not but I don't have the skills to correct it anyway!

 

 

Me either, but I got a couple that I would sure love to see go high order. BOOM!!

-dave

J-Hulk wrote:

Actually, I'd love to be a rivet counter. I greatly admire their perseverance and dedication, and look to their works for inspiration. Unfortunately, I'm just too damn lazy to be one. I have a very low "yup, that's good enough" threshold!

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Bgrigg wrote:

I still say I model so I can play with toy airplanes while making machine gun noises, and yet maintain some dignity as a "modeler of historical significance".

Amen to that. I was flying my Spitfire around the other day. Making engine noises and machine gun sounds and so forth. Made me fell like a kid again.

What I DON'T do any more is have a bunch of friends come over on Saturday's and head off into the woods with a box of old planes and firecrackers and spend the day blowin' it all up.

Hack

I build for fun

If it comes out good its ok

berny13 wrote:

I think rivet-counter is a person that has to have a model that is 100% correct.  I have seen articles in FSM where someone complains the bolt heads are too big so they shave all of them off and replace them.  It seems like almost everything is replaced because of some very small error.  For me, I do not like to look down an intake and see wide open spaces, so I will close off the intake, or wait for AM intake trunks to come out.  Does that make me a rivet-counter?  I don't think so.  It only means I try to produce a model that at least looks like the real thing.  If the shape of the radome is off by 1/64 of an inch or the panels are not 100% correct, I don't care.  Who will know anyhow?   A gross error that is obvious, that is a different story.  I will try to correct it or buy AM parts for it....

That's exactly what I think.

Bgrigg wrote:

I still say I model so I can play with toy airplanes while making machine gun noises, and yet maintain some dignity as a "modeler of historical significance".

Thank GOD! I thought I was the only one!

Score so far:

Hack: 17

Rivet Counter: 0

Hack/Rivet Counter: 8

Artist: 1

I put all the people who split the difference in Hack/Rivet Counter, that includes Berny13 & J-Hulk, and you too, Rob!

I think what this shows is the majority are quite happy with OOB, (and given the state of the art for most Hasegawa, Tamiya, Trumpeter etc. kits we should be!) yet strive for accuracy when painting, and I think that is pretty typical. I suspect the "real" rivet counters don't hang around here much, being too busy counting rivets.

I still say I model so I can play with toy airplanes while making machine gun noises, and yet maintain some dignity as a "modeler of historical significance".

I'd have to say I'm more of a hack with a dash of rivet-counter. Sometimes I just build to suit myself-occaisionally  I'll outift it as accurately as possible. I become more of a rivet-counter when I go to shows and competitions and pick up the resin and books and know which kit I wanna spend that amount of time on.

I think rivet-counter is a person that has to have a model that is 100% correct.  I have seen articles in FSM where someone complains the bolt heads are too big so they shave all of them off and replace them.  It seems like almost everything is replaced because of some very small error. 

For me, I do not like to look down an intake and see wide open spaces, so I will close off the intake, or wait for AM intake trunks to come out.  Does that make me a rivet-counter?  I don't think so.  It only means I try to produce a model that at least looks like the real thing.  If the shape of the radome is off by 1/64 of an inch or the panels are not 100% correct, I don't care.  Who will know anyhow?   A gross error that is obvious, that is a different story.  I will try to correct it or buy AM parts for it. 

I was at a model show recently where two aircraft were displayed, one built almost OOTB and the other had all the resin/PE replacement parts to correct errors.  The two aircraft setting side by side, I'll bet 99% of the people cound not tell the difference.  I had to look very close to find the improvements and I still could not see how the AM parts inproved the kit.  The OOTB kit was just as impressive as the other.  Here you have one model builder that spent say $150 and produced a very fine looking model, where the other spent $325 and looked just as good as the other. 

More of a hack most of the time if the part looks right but not great. But if some thing is really wrong with a kit I will become a rivet counter.

I don't like when there is big inaccuracy error in a kit but I can live with some incorrect bolt pattern or not thick enough armor plates.  But I like to be accurate for the painting and weathering.  I like the idea of telling a true story with a model.  I dont like the idea of building a Tiger I late production model without zimmerit!

I tend to lean towards hacking much more than rivet counting. I'm ont out to reproduce a model to perfection, so long as it resembles its inspiration, I find it good enough.

I think this qualifies as a rivet-counter and proud of it. One of the most impresive builds that I have ever seen.

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-dave

MortarMagnet wrote:

I don't think anyone want to admit that they are a rivet-counter!

Actually, I'd love to be a rivet counter. I greatly admire their perseverance and dedication, and look to their works for inspiration.
Unfortunately, I'm just too damn lazy to be one. I have a very low "yup, that's good enough" threshold!

Well, given the fact that I can't count ....

-dave