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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:39 PM

I understand your frustration Fred.  That is about my least favorite task too.  Like Dave pointed out, the 109 has a line the length of the fuselage spine.  Problem is I don't think the glue seam looks good enough to pass for a panel line.   I end up filling, sanding then rescribing the line.  That would probably be the case wherever that seam was.

Marc  

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Posted by cheque6 on Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:38 PM

I understand that the Tamiya 1/32 F-4J and F-4E Phantom kits use a "sliding mold" technology resulting in a one-piece fuselage.  Intakes and fuselage bottom are separate.

BTW, the Me-109 was built with lap joints along the top of the rear fuselage behind the canopy, resulting in panel lines.  Modelers unfamiliar with the Me-109 would fill in the fore-aft seam along the top.  Ironically, modelers familiar with the 109 would have to include references showing the panel line whenever entering their buildup in contests with less experienced judges.

Dave

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Posted by the doog on Monday, June 2, 2008 5:57 PM
One of the reasons I don't do planes! Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by jtilley on Monday, June 2, 2008 9:01 AM

I think a big part of the problem is that the joint between halves has to come exactly at the midpoint of the fuselage - whether vertical or horizontal.  Otherwise it won't be possible to get the part out of the mold.  Sometimes there's a panel line on the real thing at that point; sometimes there isn't.  But the manufacturer has to either split the fuselage at the midpoint or make it out of more than two pieces - and there usually are strong economic and practical arguments against doing that. 

Some shapes do lend themselves to being split top/bottom rather than right/left; a lot of F-14, F-15, and F-16 kits, are done that way, for instance.  (In fact I can't think of one that isn't - though sometimes the nose section is molded separately and split left/right.)

Once in a while modelers get a bit over-enthusiastic about eradicating joints.  If I remember correctly, the P-51 Mustang actually does have a panel line running down the middle of the top of its nose, for instance.

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Why don't model designers/manufacturers...?
Posted by Gigatron on Monday, June 2, 2008 8:51 AM

Hey gang,

I was working on a kit this weekend (a Tammy F4U-1D) and I was assembling the fuselage, when I got to thinking.  Why don't the designers design the fuselage kits so that they go together on panel lines?

Maybe instead of seperating left and right, they could go top and bottom.  I had assembled the fuselage and got to my least favorite part - seam sanding.  The F4U corsair has it's main fuel filler door, a big circular panel, right smack in the middle of the top of the fuselage.  Now I have to try and sand the seam line without obliterating the circular panel line and rivet detail.  Had they designed the kit so that the seam line followed the panel line, there would be no issue.

It's not like both fuselage halves are symetrical.  I've seen very few kits where both sides are exactly alike, so it can't really be an issue of left/right design being easier.

If the kits joined along panel lines, just think how much easier it would be - no more destroying raised panel lines or having to rescribe panel lines.  No more spending hours or days filling gaps and sanding or filling, sanding, filling, sanding ad nauseum.  You could just assemble prime and paint.

A manufacturer who decided to do this could revolutionize the hobby.

What do you guys think?

-Fred

 

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