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                        Is it just me, or is the Apache big in a funky kind of way?

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                        Chris_in_Japan
                        • Member since
                          November 2004
                        • From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.
                        Is it just me, or is the Apache big in a funky kind of way?
                        Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:17 PM
                        Hey guys.. Today I just bought the Tamiya 1/72 Apache, Nightfox, and the Kiowa..

                        Just looking at the sizes, I understand the little bird is a little machine.. The Jet Ranger was a normal sized helicopter to me.. But the Apache just simply makes the Jet Ranger (Kiowa) look miniture?.. It kinda doesnt look like they are in the same scale?.. It the Apache that much bigger than a conventional helicopter like a Jet Ranger?

                        Chris in Japan

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                        AH1Wsnake
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Modeling anything with "MARINES" on the side.
                        Posted by AH1Wsnake on Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:45 PM
                        Yes, the Apache is a large machine. We had a couple parked on our flightline for a week....and they kind of made our cobras look small.

                         

                        "There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and those who have met them in battle. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion."
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                        osjohnm
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                        • From: Cape Town, South Africa
                        Posted by osjohnm on Friday, February 11, 2005 6:02 AM
                        Chris

                        The fuselage length of the Apache is 15.47 m and with the rotors turning the total length is 17.73m.
                        The length of an F-16 is 14.80m.

                        Its BIG and UGLY but it gets the job done and then some!
                        John
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 11, 2005 6:24 AM
                        I read that it was close to the length of an F15.
                        I believe that sheer size was one of the factors in the Corps NOT picking the '64 and staying with the Cobra.
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 11, 2005 6:55 AM
                        She is one big beast alright, in a sexy kinda way!! Saw some fly at Farnborough Air show last year. I have to say that the US really stole the show (although the 64's were from her Majesty's Royal Army). I got to sit in one too (a great thing for a civvie). I would love to go up in one. Ahhh, dream on Dan!!
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                        Chris_in_Japan
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                        • From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.
                        Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Friday, February 11, 2005 7:24 AM
                        I dont know why, but I have my 1/72 Seahawk, Huey, Cobra, Kiowa, and little bird next to each other, and the Apache just looks like it is out of scale, because it is so big!.. Hhhhmmm.. Thanks for the replies guys!

                        Chris in Japan

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                                                  1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

                                                  1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 11, 2005 7:48 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by osjohnm

                        Chris

                        The fuselage length of the Apache is 15.47 m and with the rotors turning the total length is 17.73m.
                        The length of an F-16 is 14.80m.

                        Its BIG and UGLY but it gets the job done and then some!


                        No way is she ugly....A perfect gunship...every inch designed for performance and destruction.
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                        grandadjohn
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                        • From: phoenix
                        Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, February 11, 2005 7:48 AM
                        It is a big helo
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                        osjohnm
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                        • From: Cape Town, South Africa
                        Posted by osjohnm on Friday, February 11, 2005 8:12 AM
                        pemur,

                        I didn't mean to offend anyone but you have to admit that the 64s aren't going to win any beauty contests.
                        I love the Apache, especially the intimidating look about it, as you said they were built for destruction.
                        John
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                        Trigger
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                          February 2004
                        • From: Moooooon River!
                        Posted by Trigger on Friday, February 11, 2005 8:29 AM
                        I agree. I saw a half-dozen hover taxiing to their parking places at the airport here one day. There's a certain "oh sh**" quality when you see them moving, espeically low and slow in unison. They're the 800 pound gorilla and they know it. Not saying it was intentional, but it was a definate side effect. Same thing with the B-2. It's creepy watching that thing approach. Photos and static displays just don't do those designs justice.
                        ------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
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                        grandadjohn
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                          February 2003
                        • From: phoenix
                        Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, February 11, 2005 8:36 AM
                        Agreed, sometimes you must see them in flight to really appreciate their look
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                        Cobrahistorian
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!
                        Posted by Cobrahistorian on Friday, February 11, 2005 9:56 AM
                        She's big, she's beautiful, and she's one hell of an airplane.
                        But, the HIND is bigger and UGLIER! Tongue [:P]
                        "1-6 is in hot"
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                        osjohnm
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                          October 2003
                        • From: Cape Town, South Africa
                        Posted by osjohnm on Friday, February 11, 2005 3:39 PM
                        Well in that case the Apache is Miss Universe in comparissonBig Smile [:D]
                        John
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 11, 2005 5:34 PM
                        What about the Havoc? That is FUGLY!

                        The B2 gives me the creeps, like the grim reaper with wings.

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                        Screaminhelo
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                          April 2004
                        • From: Georgia
                        Posted by Screaminhelo on Friday, February 11, 2005 5:50 PM
                        Yeah Jon, the Apache does have one advantage over the Hind. The Apache doesn't need wings to fly Evil [}:)]. But that is just the opinion of a Blackhawk guy.

                        Mac

                        Mac

                        I Didn't do it!!!

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 11, 2005 7:26 PM
                        blah blah.. apache this.. cobra that... its too bad the Chinook is the fastest bird of the bunch!! How do you like those apples!!
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                        grandadjohn
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                          February 2003
                        • From: phoenix
                        Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, February 11, 2005 7:45 PM
                        Yeh, but it takes two rotors
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                        osjohnm
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                        • From: Cape Town, South Africa
                        Posted by osjohnm on Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:06 AM
                        How did we get from looks to performance?
                        John
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                        Screaminhelo
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                          April 2004
                        • From: Georgia
                        Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:06 PM
                        O.K. , I'll hold off on the Chinook jokes. There is just too mugh ammo on both sides for me to get that going.

                        Mac

                        Mac

                        I Didn't do it!!!

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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:48 PM
                        haha this is true screamin... don't get me wrong I'm a blackhawk guy but I work directly with the chinook crews and we go at it all the time about which is "better" to crew. The fact is .. they all serve thier purpose and are great machines.
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                        grandadjohn
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                        • From: phoenix
                        Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:03 PM
                        Agreed Pharoah
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:02 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by osjohnm

                        pemur,

                        I didn't mean to offend anyone but you have to admit that the 64s aren't going to win any beauty contests.
                        I love the Apache, especially the intimidating look about it, as you said they were built for destruction.


                        Sorry...didn't mean you offended me! Just thought I'd give my opinion on her looks. I will admit she doesn't have the classic sleak lines of modern rotary aircraft. Of course, the stealth aircraft aren't exactly sleak...but one heck of a punch!

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                        Cobrahistorian
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!
                        Posted by Cobrahistorian on Friday, February 18, 2005 12:57 PM
                        Rocky,

                        It isn't just the additional 6 feet in length, although that did have some impact. The Apache is significantly wider than the Cobra and weighs considerably more as well. Through the years, the AH-1 has maintained that same basic slim head-on view, making it a relatively small target. With an Apache coming at you, you're usually well aware of it, even if you are quaking in your boots!

                        The Marines also insisted on retaining the TOW capability, something that the Army wanted nothing to do with once the Apache was chosen. That's one reason our Marine Corps brethren try to say the Cobra is a "more capable" platform. Tongue [:P]Wink [;)] It still has to hover to taxi....
                        "1-6 is in hot"
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                        rockythegoat
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                          November 2004
                        • From: Central Illinois
                        Posted by rockythegoat on Friday, February 18, 2005 1:01 PM
                        cobrahistorian: gotcha. I actually took my question out of here and made it a separate post, so I didn't hijack the original thread. Thanks for the info!

                        "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." Ben Franklin

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