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Originally posted by salbando
intruder_bass,
Correct except they did have the the external hoist (I'm lokking at a picture of Super 64 right now with it).
Salbando, nice to read you again! ![Smile [:)]](/FSM/CS/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)
About the hoist you are right... I forgot that it wasn't installed only on Super 61...
"...-61 had a hoist mount, but no hoist was installed. It would be a U shaped piece of metal about a foot long and about a foot forward of the right hand engine air inlet..". (Pat Powers. Crew Chief Super 65)
BTW how does this "spiral antenna radar detector" look like? Can you please tell more about it?
Andy
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Posted by Anonymous
on Sunday, July 3, 2005 3:08 AM
Both are part of the (at least in the Pavehawk) APR-39 & AAR/ALE47 Self Protection System (SPS). This was an addition during Phase I (I think) of the Block 152 upgrades.
Anyway, the plume detectors (Optical Sensor Converters) are the shiny chrome looking sensors on the ends of the "horns) canted outward on the nose, and in the upper tail fairing. These basically are super sensative to radiation (heat) spectrums and serve to warn the aircrew (and system) of missile launches. They detect, filter, convert, and amplify emitted light sources, looking for rises and falls in photon counts. The system looks for a specific photon “template,” or spectral map, which it identifies as an inbound missile. Photons are then converted to electrons, which are sent as an electrical signal to the Central Processor and the system responds with chaff and/or flares.
The spiral antennas are the small black disks (hockey pucks) located below the plume detectors in the nose and tail. These antennas warn of radar energy directed at the aircraft that could possibly be target tracking or EW radars.
Take a look at them in these shots I took at the hangar and in Afghanistan of our birds,
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Posted by Anonymous
on Sunday, July 3, 2005 3:26 AM
Sal,
Great pics! In the last pic, what's the box on the port, main strut (pointed about 45 degrees in front of the main wheel)? Kind of looks like a chaff/flare bucket.
Carl
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Posted by Anonymous
on Sunday, July 3, 2005 3:46 AM
Carl,
Exactly right. The mounts are part of the newer SPS Mods and are adjustable to fire the chaff/flares and a specified angle from the aircraft. This is the newer AN/ALE-47 CMDS chaff/flare "bucket" and is an improvement over the M-130 in that it gives us increased countermeasures (flares and chaff bundles). It also replaces the older mount on the sponson that fired them directly down below the aircraft. There are two buckets, one on each sponson (left is usually flares right is usually chaff but they can be a mix), and two on each side of the tailboom (one each side of flares and chaff).
I think the Army (to include the 160th) still uses the M-130 system.
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Posted by Anonymous
on Sunday, July 3, 2005 4:39 AM
Sal,
Thanks for the update!
Carl
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Thanks for info Salbando.
Here is the closest-to-nose photo of Super 61:
no "horns" ![Cool [8D]](/FSM/CS/emoticons/icon_smile_cool.gif) !!! Does it mean that tail sensors are not installed ether?
Maybe the Block 152 upgrade was later then 93'?
Andy
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Posted by Anonymous
on Sunday, July 3, 2005 10:30 AM
Andy,
Nice shot of Chief Briley.
That's correct no plume detectors at all. However understand that when I refer to Block 152/162 and SPS upgrades, these apply only to the Pavehawk and are USAF H-60 programs. The plume dectors are currently mounted in the same location on the nose on both the MH-60L and HH-60G, even though at first they were mounted on the gear sponsons of the M/H-60G.
In your photo you can see the spiral antenna about mid-nose just on the edge of the photo.
By the way...I could swear I remember at least one MH-60 that didn't have the radar mounted on the nose.
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