MH-60L Black Hawk - Academy 2217 or 2192??

Andy,
Nice shot of Chief Briley.
That's correct no plume detectors at all. However understand that when I refer to Block 152/162 and SPS upgrades, these apply only to the Pavehawk and are USAF H-60 programs. The plume dectors are currently mounted in the same location on the nose on both the MH-60L and HH-60G, even though at first they were mounted on the gear sponsons of the M/H-60G.

In your photo you can see the spiral antenna about mid-nose just on the edge of the photo.

By the way...I could swear I remember at least one MH-60 that didn't have the radar mounted on the nose.

Thanks for info Salbando.

Here is the closest-to-nose photo of Super 61:

no "horns" !!! Does it mean that tail sensors are not installed ether?

Maybe the Block 152 upgrade was later then 93'?

Andy

Sal,

Thanks for the update!

Carl

Carl,
Exactly right. The mounts are part of the newer SPS Mods and are adjustable to fire the chaff/flares and a specified angle from the aircraft. This is the newer AN/ALE-47 CMDS chaff/flare "bucket" and is an improvement over the M-130 in that it gives us increased countermeasures (flares and chaff bundles). It also replaces the older mount on the sponson that fired them directly down below the aircraft. There are two buckets, one on each sponson (left is usually flares right is usually chaff but they can be a mix), and two on each side of the tailboom (one each side of flares and chaff).

I think the Army (to include the 160th) still uses the M-130 system.

Sal,

Great pics! In the last pic, what's the box on the port, main strut (pointed about 45 degrees in front of the main wheel)? Kind of looks like a chaff/flare bucket.

Carl

Both are part of the (at least in the Pavehawk) APR-39 & AAR/ALE47 Self Protection System (SPS). This was an addition during Phase I (I think) of the Block 152 upgrades.

Anyway, the plume detectors (Optical Sensor Converters) are the shiny chrome looking sensors on the ends of the "horns) canted outward on the nose, and in the upper tail fairing. These basically are super sensative to radiation (heat) spectrums and serve to warn the aircrew (and system) of missile launches. They detect, filter, convert, and amplify emitted light sources, looking for rises and falls in photon counts. The system looks for a specific photon “template,” or spectral map, which it identifies as an inbound missile. Photons are then converted to electrons, which are sent as an electrical signal to the Central Processor and the system responds with chaff and/or flares.

The spiral antennas are the small black disks (hockey pucks) located below the plume detectors in the nose and tail. These antennas warn of radar energy directed at the aircraft that could possibly be target tracking or EW radars.

Take a look at them in these shots I took at the hangar and in Afghanistan of our birds,

Originally posted by salbando intruder_bass, Correct except they did have the the external hoist (I'm lokking at a picture of Super 64 right now with it). Salbando, nice to read you again! About the hoist you are right... I forgot that it wasn't installed only on Super 61... "...-61 had a hoist mount, but no hoist was installed. It would be a U shaped piece of metal about a foot long and about a foot forward of the right hand engine air inlet..". (Pat Powers. Crew Chief Super 65) BTW how does this "spiral antenna radar detector" look like? Can you please tell more about it? Andy Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 3, 2005 12:03 AM intruder_bass, Correct except they did have the the external hoist (I'm lokking at a picture of Super 64 right now with it). If I remember correctly they did not have the APR-39 plume detectors on the nose or tail, but they did have the spiral antenna radar detectors (regardless of what's on the movie birds). "Quando Omni Flunkis Moritati." Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 2, 2005 11:54 PM I read your replies and looking at some pics I decided to go for DAP Black Hawk, thanks for your help. Soon I will tell you about my progress with the kit. QUOTE: Originally posted by intruder_bass By the way which one of the Super 6's are you planing to build? I don´t know yet, I'm still thinking about that. Bye Reply Edit HeavyArty Member since December 2002 From: Valrico, FL Posted by HeavyArty on Saturday, July 2, 2005 2:28 PM I agree with the others. The DAP kit is the one to get. You get all the parts from all the other MH/UH-60 kits combined and the DAP specific parts. You will have lots left over for the parts bin, but also all the parts you will need to build the model you are looking for. The price is only about $5 more as well. Can't go wrong with the DAP. Gino P. Quintiliani - Field Artillery - The KING of BATTLE!!! Check out my Gallery: https://app.photobucket.com/u/HeavyArty "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell Reply Trigger Member since February 2004 From: Moooooon River! Posted by Trigger on Saturday, July 2, 2005 8:24 AM Agreed. Go with the DAP kit. True, it has parts you won't use, but the UH-60L kit lacks parts you will need. ------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..." Reply intruder_bass Member since November 2013 Posted by intruder_bass on Saturday, July 2, 2005 7:55 AM DAP is the best choice. It has everything u might need for Super 6's and a lot of useless parts (reserve for future projects :-))) Beside IFR probe, esss, pylons, aux tank u will not use troop seats, cockpit doors, hoist, fairings around the main landing gear strut, Cargo Hook ets. By the way which one of the Super 6's are you planing to build? Andy Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 2, 2005 3:32 AM Black Wizard, Here's a link that has all three Academy kits: http://www.ehobbies.com/more-academy-models-mrc-aircraft-glue-kits-all.html I'd still go with the AH-60 DAP kit (2217) since that has the FLIR turret and terrain radar. The other kits do not have them. You don't have to add the IFR probe or the ESSS wings; the kit can still be build without them. Have fun! Carl Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 2, 2005 3:16 AM I search posts about this, and I found a lot of info about the BlackHawks in Somalia, as these choppers did not have the IFR probe, internal fuel tank, ESSS wings or pylons, I'm not sure about the kit. I read a post made by Rob Savage, who also wanted to build a BHawk as the ones in Somalia. He purchased the DAP BH but then he said he should have purchased the MH-60 kit 2192 or 2201 (which I couldnt find). That's why I would like to know which kit should be best as I'm not going to use the IFR probe, esss, pylons, aux tank. I forgot to introduce myself, I'm form Argentina, and I recently joined the forum. I was searching info and reviews about the kits, and I found this site, which is really great. That's all, Bye. Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 2, 2005 3:10 AM !!! Just as Avus mentioned, go with the AH-60 DAP kit; it has a lot of extras to build a good MH-60L. Academy also makes and MH-60G kit (if I remember correctly it's a "G"), but it doesn't have the FLIR turret. Reply Edit Avus Member since June 2003 From: Caput Mundi Posted by Avus on Saturday, July 2, 2005 2:22 AM to the forum! My opinion is that you get yourself the 2217. In fact, beeing the 2192 a regular Army helo, it hasn't got many details (IFR probe, FLIR, Plume detectors etc) that the MH (special operations bird) has. Klaus Thanks to ImageShack for Free Image Hosting Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 MH-60L Black Hawk - Academy 2217 or 2192?? Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 2, 2005 1:42 AM Hello, I want to build a MH-60L BlackHawk just like the ones used in Operation Gothic Serpent. I have been collecting info about the MH-60L's, but I don't know which kit is best for this project. My options are: Academy UH-60L (Kit 2192) or Academy AH-60L DAP (Kit 2217). Which one should i get?? Thanks. Bye Reply Edit JOIN OUR COMMUNITY! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login Register SEARCH FORUMS FREE NEWSLETTER SIGN UP By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy. 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