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helo deactivation ?
Posted by prowannab on Thursday, March 1, 2007 3:21 PM
hello all,i'm currently working on a large a/c carrier,and i'm building it to around the early 90's.the ? is when did the u.s. navy stop using the sh-3 and start using the 53's.i have a book of the enterprise and it was made in 91,and there is a pic of a sh-3 in it but i can't be sure when the photo was takin.i'm pretty sure the sh was deactivated by 91.all help is appreciated.also if it was deactivated by then is there anybody that needs a box of sh-3's in 1/350 scale.
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Posted by grandadjohn on Thursday, March 1, 2007 10:33 PM
The USS Enterprise has NOT been deactived and is still in service. Slated to be there until at least 2012. She went into the yard around t hat time for a major refit and rejoined the fleet in 1995. After that standard helo's would ahve been Seahawks although a few 53's where on boaed for a while. This is first hand knowledge since I got to tour her in 96 while my son was stationed aboard her. When my son joined the ship it was at sea and he was flown out to her on a SH-3
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Posted by prowannab on Friday, March 2, 2007 8:32 AM
thanks for the info grandadjohn,but i was aware the enterprise is still in service,i just needed to know about the helo's that were in service around that time period.since you have seen her up close and personnel,could you be as kind to look at my progress pis in the ships forums,to see if everything looks right. i appreciate the helo info.
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Posted by Firehawk Ordie on Friday, March 2, 2007 5:01 PM

prowannab,

first off which squadron are you trying to do?  I ask because if you know the squadron, most squadrons will have their history up somewhere either an official website or other websites.  just google the squadron. 

The H-60 started replacing the H-3 in about 1990. I was on the Nimitz in 91 and it was HS-4s first or second deployment with the H-60 (foxtrot and hotel models).  I beliveve that CAG 5 in Japan was the last Squadron to get 60's. I'm sure it took a few years for all the HS squadrons to get H-60s.  The only squadrons operating the H-53 were and still are mine-countermeasures (HM) and helicopter combat support squadrons (HC). HM and HC squadrons are not normally part of the air wing. 

I hope this helps some.

jose

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Posted by prowannab on Friday, March 2, 2007 5:12 PM
thanks for the help,but the problem is i'm not sure what the squadron would be,i'm doing the enterprise a/c in about 94'(thanks grandadjohn,i didn't know it was down from 91-93)i guess i will have to do some research on the helo squadron on the enterprise from those years.so do you know of any companies that make the h-60's in 1/350 scale
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Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, March 2, 2007 8:01 PM
Sent an e-mail to my son to look up the helo squadron's numbers for you. They will be in his cruise book. Heard Trumpeter is coming out with a boxed set on SH-60 in 1/350scale
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, March 2, 2007 8:29 PM

Hey John I think she went into the yard for refit in 1990 because I was on the USS Abraham Lincon for a short cruise around the Chesapeake Bay along with a whole lot of very important senators and she (Enterprise) sailed right by us on her way to the Newport News Shipyard. And I think the SH3 was decommissioned in 92 because in 91 they were still with all of the carrier air wings. Oh and BTW guys the MH-53's are only found on Helicoptor Assault Ships like the Tarawa class and the IWO Jima Class and probably a few other smaller assault boats. The SH3 was replaced by the SH-60 Seahawk in 92.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, March 3, 2007 5:14 AM
You may be right about 1990. Not all SH-3 where decomm'ed and replaced by SH-60's at the same time, even after being repaced in general squadron use some remained in service preforming other duties. Some 53's did sail on the Enterprise for a short while in 1995, but I don't remember the reason why, I was surprised myself when my son told me that they had a couple aboard
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, March 3, 2007 11:41 AM

I think I also remember the Enterprise when she went to drydock for refit back in 90 still had the "beehive" radar array.

I think the MH-53's were on board because of something having to do with Bosnia.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by empeter on Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:08 PM

 prowannab wrote:
thanks for the help,but the problem is i'm not sure what the squadron would be,i'm doing the enterprise a/c in about 94'(thanks grandadjohn,i didn't know it was down from 91-93)i guess i will have to do some research on the helo squadron on the enterprise from those years.so do you know of any companies that make the h-60's in 1/350 scale

The squadron was HS-15. From the globalsecurity.org page on HS-15:

In the spring of 1992, HS-15 began the transition to the SH-60F / HH-60H Seahawk helicopter. After traveling to NAS North Island in San Diego, California to undergo training for the new aircraft, the squadron returned in late 1992 and completed transition in March 1993.

In fall of 1994, .... CVW-17 and HS-15 moved on to the USS ENTERPRISE (CVN 65) in September 1994. The Red Lions completed a Mediterranean Sea/Persian Gulf deployment in December 1996. Over the course of that cruise, the squadron flew almost 2000 hours and was involved in Operations DECISIVE ENDEAVOR and SOUTHERN WATCH, and participated in exercises with the Israeli military

BTW, since you're doing the entire air wing, HS-15 was part of CVW-17. The other squadrons were:

VF-103 (F-14)
VFA-81 (F/A-18)
VFA-83 (F/A-18)
VFA-34 (F/A-18)
VAW-125 (E-2C)
VS-30 (S-3B)
VAQ-132 (EA-6B)
VQ-6 (ES-3A)

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Posted by prowannab on Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:58 PM
you guys are awesome thanks so very much for your help with my problem.i can always count on the people here at finescale forums.i do greatly appreciate it.
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Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, March 3, 2007 7:17 PM
 Mikeym_us wrote:

I think I also remember the Enterprise when she went to drydock for refit back in 90 still had the "beehive" radar array.

I think the MH-53's were on board because of something having to do with Bosnia.

The beehive radar went away in the 70's

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Posted by empeter on Saturday, March 3, 2007 11:59 PM
 grandadjohn wrote:
 Mikeym_us wrote:

I think I also remember the Enterprise when she went to drydock for refit back in 90 still had the "beehive" radar array.

I think the MH-53's were on board because of something having to do with Bosnia.

The beehive radar went away in the 70's

Yep, it was removed during a 30 month refit at Puget Sound that began in January 1979

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Posted by grandadjohn on Sunday, March 4, 2007 8:17 PM
 empeter wrote:

 prowannab wrote:
thanks for the help,but the problem is i'm not sure what the squadron would be,i'm doing the enterprise a/c in about 94'(thanks grandadjohn,i didn't know it was down from 91-93)i guess i will have to do some research on the helo squadron on the enterprise from those years.so do you know of any companies that make the h-60's in 1/350 scale

The squadron was HS-15. From the globalsecurity.org page on HS-15:

In the spring of 1992, HS-15 began the transition to the SH-60F / HH-60H Seahawk helicopter. After traveling to NAS North Island in San Diego, California to undergo training for the new aircraft, the squadron returned in late 1992 and completed transition in March 1993.

In fall of 1994, .... CVW-17 and HS-15 moved on to the USS ENTERPRISE (CVN 65) in September 1994. The Red Lions completed a Mediterranean Sea/Persian Gulf deployment in December 1996. Over the course of that cruise, the squadron flew almost 2000 hours and was involved in Operations DECISIVE ENDEAVOR and SOUTHERN WATCH, and participated in exercises with the Israeli military

BTW, since you're doing the entire air wing, HS-15 was part of CVW-17. The other squadrons were:

VF-103 (F-14)
VFA-81 (F/A-18)
VFA-83 (F/A-18)
VFA-34 (F/A-18)
VAW-125 (E-2C)
VS-30 (S-3B)
VAQ-132 (EA-6B)
VQ-6 (ES-3A)

On the 96 Med cruise VFA-75 "The Sunday Punchers" was also aboard, when the cruise ended in Dec. it ended a chapter in Naval Air history, for they flew the A-6E and on the tail was painted "Last Of The Intruders"

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Posted by prowannab on Sunday, March 4, 2007 9:00 PM
helpful couldn't explain the help you fellas have given thanks alot ,but i would like to ask one more question if i may,grandadjohn you said that you took a tour of this mighty vessel.i would like to pick your memory if i could for the color of the anchors? i looked at many photos of this ship in all different eras,and i'm still having trouble.sometimes it seems they are a shiny brass or gold color in other photos they appear to be the same color as the upper hull.maybe i should post this in the ships forums?o'well thanks yall for the help
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Posted by grandadjohn on Sunday, March 4, 2007 10:29 PM

The anchors are the same color as the ship, Haze Gray, sorry don't have the FS number

Hisorical note, when CV-6 USS Enterprise was scrapped, her steel was melted down and used in the construction of CVN-65 USS Enterprise

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Posted by empeter on Sunday, March 4, 2007 10:42 PM

 prowannab wrote:
helpful couldn't explain the help you fellas have given thanks alot ,but i would like to ask one more question if i may,grandadjohn you said that you took a tour of this mighty vessel.i would like to pick your memory if i could for the color of the anchors? i looked at many photos of this ship in all different eras,and i'm still having trouble.sometimes it seems they are a shiny brass or gold color in other photos they appear to be the same color as the upper hull.maybe i should post this in the ships forums?o'well thanks yall for the help
Usually it's the same color as the hull, however, the Navy has a retention award called the Golden Anchor Award. The honored ship gets to paint their anchor(s) gold. I know the Enterprise won the award in 2004, and possibly other years. You may have seen pictures from that time period, or another similar one. Check out this link.

http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/DVIC_View/Still_Details.cfm?SDAN=DNSD0412801&JPGPath=/Assets/2004/Navy/DN-SD-04-12801.JPG

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