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More than a little aprehensive about posting here, but here goes.
Posted by mitchum on Monday, March 23, 2009 5:28 PM

Thought ya'll might enjoy seeing my simple photo "set" (not really good enough to call a diorama) I use for my car models. Figured it might make a pleasant change of pace.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, March 23, 2009 5:38 PM

No need to be aprehensive... It's a small group here..

Building a "set" is as good a start for dio-building anything else, Mitchum.. I'm no photo-bug, but the angles and lighting, using the real trees, and forcing the perspective is part and parcel of diorama building. 

1st piece of dio guideline advice..

Tell us a little about the set.. Materials, backdrop, size, etc...  Dioramas are like that.. Everything on it is a part of the model, including the base...

Since you're a car-guy, I'll let the "Armor-All-ed" tires slide, lol...

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Posted by camo junkie on Monday, March 23, 2009 10:34 PM
first, what's wrong with it?? i like it!! its nice to break the routine and throw something else in once in awhile...all that color...wow my eyes arent used to seeing anything but dull drab flat colors. Laugh [(-D] but looks good from here...Thumbs Up [tup]
"An idea is only as good as the person who thought of it...and only as brilliant as the person who makes it!!"
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Posted by mitchum on Monday, March 23, 2009 10:38 PM

Thanks for the welcome, ya'll. I started with a 50"X30" piece of styrofoam for the base. I used some styrofoam packing from a stereo componant that was the right size for the building to simplify getting it squared up. I put some of the 1/2" Midwest Products clapboard siding on it, stained dark mahogany for the outer walls. The roof is some old plastic sign material cut to size. The gravel parking area is a covering made from three or four different colors of HO and N ballast material mixed together and glued down with Woodland Scenics spray adhesive.

The wooden fencing is plain old popsicle stickes for the wide boards and corn dog sticks for the narrow ones. I'm gonna stain them but haven't decided how dark I want to go with them yet. The chain link fenced-in security area is just some steel rod cut and bent to shape with the metal mesh from a full size automotive air cleaner element. I used copper wire to attatch it to the rods much like the wire is attached to the full size fencing.

 I cut holes in the front for the doors and just backed the holes up with sheet styrene. The roll up doors just have lines scribed in them to replicate the sections that would fold on a real door. I've got a Coke machine and a few other little details that I use from time to time and am planning on some new signage and maybe even a four wheeler and a lawn mower to dress the place up a little.

 I've also built a few racetrack "sets" to use, also built from styrofoam for the light weight and ease of cutting.

Here's the dirt track version,

And here's the paved version.

Both of them use the old style steel guard railing because the majority of my cars are from the fifties and sixties. I used wooden dowels for the fence posts with just some black magic marker to replicate the creosote used on the full sized ones. I found some corrugated cardboard that only had the flat paper covering on one side so that the "rolls" show on the other. I've cut it in two "roll" wide strips and it looks pretty convincing after a coat of silver paint.

I've even got a main straightaway patterned after Darlington of the fifties that I built to use at a model show to display some race cars and a pace car. It's 48" long with concrete grandstands and retaining wall, again made from styrofoam, with some plastic rod and fibreglas screen combined to replicate the tire fence.

Here's an "under construction" shot of the grandstands as I was building it, showing how I laid up strips to make the seating area.

I've got an even larger "museum" in the works with parking for many cars and a stone or concrete wall around the whole thing. It's still in the early stages so it'll be awhile before it's ready to use.

 

 Sometimes I like to do a little work with airplanes too, as that's what I started with in modeling around fifty years ago. Here's a shot I did for a photo contest using a Monogram 1/48 Corsair I built almost thirty years ago.

 

Here's what I've gotten into lately- the 1/18 planes that make fantastic pictures.

Thanks for letting me ramble on and take part in this forum and I hope I can maybe be of some assistance and contribute to the members here.

Oh, and by the way, the "armor all" is prototypically correct for a new race car of that vintage on the way to its first outing, or maybe even a start of the season car show. LOL

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:18 AM

Gawd!  There's definately no doubt that you're one helluva scratchbuilder!  The structures are superb!  I always like to see the work of another SB'er... There's too many pre-fab structures these days, IMHO...

(No dig at you guys that do use 'em...  They ARE great time-savers and look pretty damned good too.  I'm just partial to "Old school" techniques and materials Big Smile [:D])

ADENDUM:  That Corsair pic is fantasic too! I wish I knew how to photoshop m'self into some of my dios! (I've got plenty of "props and costumes, lol)

 

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Posted by mitchum on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:29 PM

Aw shucks, it's just something I threw together with odds and ends I had laying around. But you wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've got laying around. I've learned to "see in scale" and I get some pretty screwy ideas from time to time. We had a roll of wrapping come in with a plug in the cardboard tube that caught my eye. When I told the boss not to throw it away when the wrap was gone, he got curious and asked why. It was cone shaped with a smaller round extension on it and I told him to visualize it with the round end cut flat and a large piece of copper wire sticking out the end with the wire bent into a spiral. He thought for a second then remembered who he was talking to and I could see the light go on in his head. He threw me the plug and asked, with a chuckle,  just how many gallons of mash would fit into it if it was full size?

 

  As far as gettin' you some "seat time" it's dead simple. Just shoot some pics of the models and then get all dressed up and shoot some of you, matching up the angle of the sun, your relationship to the model scene and releative brighness on both, send them to me and just wait on the little "you've got mail" light to go on.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:02 AM

But you wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've got laying around. I've learned to "see in scale" and I get some pretty screwy ideas from time to time.

Oh yeah... "Seeing Miniture" is a requiremment for the Gizmologist, lol.. Been doing that m'self for years and it drives Household 6 nuts when we go anywhere together and I spot something "scale", lol...

As for the seat-time, Thanks a bunch... I've got some stuff ready, lol...

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Posted by mitchum on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:40 AM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

-time, Thanks a bunch... I've got some stuff ready, lol...

 

Cool, send it on and I'll see what I can do with it. I might even be able to talk Moody into getting you some seat time in one of his "open cockpit barnstormers".

Just send the pics to-  luke57@gmail.com  and I'll get one it. 

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Posted by psstoff995 on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:26 AM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:


As for the seat-time, Thanks a bunch... I've got some stuff ready, lol...



Now that'd be cool to see Hans! Talk about reenactment! mitchum- those are some great looking mockups, I’ve seen your stuff floating around the Auto forums and I’m glad you came to share it with the dio guys. Some of these pictures look like real cars, even without the photoshop!  Nicely done, the attention to detail really adds that realism to the scene.

If you get some pictures of Hans photoshopped into some of his model pictures- make sure he posts them up on here! Tongue [:P]

-Chris

US Army Infantryman

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Posted by vespa boy on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:54 AM

Mitchum: Great stuff as always. I haven't seen your 30 year old stuff before and it shows you've had the right touch since the start.

And it's also nice to see some non-military dios.

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I ain't got time for that now

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Posted by mitchum on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:49 PM

Thanks guys, I can't tell you how much this means to me. After getting kicked off one of the car boards here and kinda ignored on the other I couldn't believe what a warm welcome I got over here. I've always considered the diarama builders the real modelers anyway.

 

I've stood and listened to way too many boring conversations at model shows about plug wire size and opening doors and trunks (as a race car builder the doors should be welded shut, and as for opening trunks........well let's just say that don't ask don't tell is a pretty good motto....unless you're thirsty that is.) till I had to just walk off. But I never get tired of hearing how sugar can become snow, rock salt can become coal, those little gizmos in the old recorders and TVs can replecate goodness know what in scale and all those other little inside bits of information that flow so freely here.

 

It's like everyone is enjoying sharing ideas and techniques instead of trying to put 14 more coats of perfect factory color paint on a vintage stock car so I can listen to them tell me how it matches the car perfectly (that they've never actually seen and a lot of times I have) when I knew the guy that built the real one and he painted it with a spray can and touched it up with a brush! LOL

I hope that I can hang around here for a while. If I get out of line just give me a gentle nudge and I'll try to behave.

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:53 PM

Mitchum, you have some of the coolest models, and definitely the BEST photos out there!

I agree with Hans---great scratchbuilding; it's hard to find that these days it seems! 

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Posted by mitchum on Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:32 AM
Well, ya'll done gone and done it now!  Do ya'll know any grocery stores that deliver? I'm not used to hearing talk like this and my head has done swelled up so big I can't get out the front door and the food's getting low. Anybody got the number to Domino's?
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Posted by the doog on Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:30 AM

 mitchum wrote:
Well, ya'll done gone and done it now!  Do ya'll know any grocery stores that deliver? I'm not used to hearing talk like this and my head has done swelled up so big I can't get out the front door and the food's getting low. Anybody got the number to Domino's?

LOL! 1-800-DOMINO's! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:30 AM

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Posted by Stern0 on Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:16 AM
WOW! Incredible work...Good to see some more scratch building...its the only way to fly! The only thing better than your builds are the photos....impresive, I have been trying my luck with some outside shots...nowhaere near as good as yours...would love to see more!Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by mitchum on Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:22 AM
von Hammer, those would be good except that they are way too small and blurry. I was thinking of you e-mailing me some around 6k to 1 mg size so I can better match it to the models. And I can put you in some pretty serious machinery here but send some pics of your models that you want to be put into also. Think outside the box and shoot some new ones of you with your foot propped on a box that's about the right height for a bumper on a jeep or what have you, leaning back against a wall for one leaning on a model......you get the idea.
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Posted by mitchum on Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:37 AM

 Stern0 wrote:
WOW! Incredible work...Good to see some more scratch building...its the only way to fly! The only thing better than your builds are the photos....impresive, I have been trying my luck with some outside shots...nowhaere near as good as yours...would love to see more!Thumbs Up [tup]

 

I've been at this model photography thing almost 35 years now and you know what they say, "Evem a blind hog can find an acorn if he roots long enough." LOL  I'd be more than happy to help out any way I can with model photography hints or problem solving here because it means I get to see more and better model photos. That's what I like about true modelers is that they are so willing to help other modelers build better models and rejoice with them when it happens. So bring on your photo questions because Scale Model Photography 101 is just starting in Room 222. And just between us, And if Karen Valentine is the teacher, I'm gonna be the teacher's pet.

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Posted by Stern0 on Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:03 AM
Thanks for the speedy reply...I just used the blind hog saying last night here in the forums!....I may need some tips...I have some pics under "The Bridge" in dios, you can check them out and critique if you like...looking forward to more of your work.Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Boomerang on Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:01 PM
 mitchum wrote:

Thanks guys, I can't tell you how much this means to me. After getting kicked off one of the car boards here and kinda ignored on the other I couldn't believe what a warm welcome I got over here. I've always considered the diarama builders the real modelers anyway.

 

I've stood and listened to way too many boring conversations at model shows about plug wire size and opening doors and trunks (as a race car builder the doors should be welded shut, and as for opening trunks........well let's just say that don't ask don't tell is a pretty good motto....unless you're thirsty that is.) till I had to just walk off. But I never get tired of hearing how sugar can become snow, rock salt can become coal, those little gizmos in the old recorders and TVs can replecate goodness know what in scale and all those other little inside bits of information that flow so freely here.

 

It's like everyone is enjoying sharing ideas and techniques instead of trying to put 14 more coats of perfect factory color paint on a vintage stock car so I can listen to them tell me how it matches the car perfectly (that they've never actually seen and a lot of times I have) when I knew the guy that built the real one and he painted it with a spray can and touched it up with a brush! LOL

I hope that I can hang around here for a while. If I get out of line just give me a gentle nudge and I'll try to behave.

     WOW!!  I can't believe you have been kicked off other forums. I can't begin to imagine why, a modeler of your talent should be a welcome addition to any forum. Knowing the blokes over here, i am sure you are more than welcome to stay. By the looks of it , you have a few tricks up your sleeve you could teach us.

     Honestly, sometimes i think we forget that dioramas are just not about military and combat subjects. These subjects are the obvious choice i suppose. Really though, the subject, not to mention the colours, that you have presented is a real breath of fresh air. Please don't get me wrong in thinking that i am saying the dios we usually get here are boring. I have yet to build even a half decent dio and the fellas on here that build and present are my role models. Yours is just different and exceptional to say the least.

    Welcome to the FSM Diorama Forum. Heres to good modelling and friends...Make a Toast [#toast]

    Boomer...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, March 29, 2009 2:17 PM
Thanks fer the guidelines, Mitch... I'm trackin' what you're asking for now...

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