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Feuer!!! *Yay, party time!*
Posted by model maniac 96 on Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:12 PM

Hi guys!

     This one has been brewing for a little while. But, after working out a few kinks, I think I'm finally done. My vignette is titled "Fire!". It is taking place during the Battle of Seelow Heights in Germany, April 1945. The Germans have spotted a column of Russian armor approaching and have been ordered to obliterate the enemy column.

Here's the pics:

First a couple of overhead views:

 

Note the grime collected in the helmet and the piled grenades.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:34 AM

"Feuer" would be the German word... Big Smile [:D]

Couple of things.. Don't wanna bust your chops though... So... Sandbags... Need a LOT of fixin'... Those Tamiya ones are horrible if you don't have some kind of packed earth in the spaces...

Shoulder seams on the figures need filling, and all need another shot of matte...  Terrain's really crying for more work in the foliage department.  The sandbags would draw counter-fire in a heartbeat since they stand out, rather than blend in..

Also, try taking some "eye-level" shots... 

You're off to a good start though, but need a bit of improvement in the terrain-area and some more attention to detail on figures.. Remember that in a diorama, the terrain is as much a model as well as the kits you put on them... THe "mowed lawn" effect here needs a lot more work with various shades and foliage... Try some tall grass and a couple dead trees or logs..

I think you can pull it off...

 

 

 

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:32 AM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] to what Hans said.

model maniac, take a few minutes to fill out your profile too; it helps us know a little something about you--if you're just a kid starting up, or a new modeler, or whatever?

This is raw, first-stage diorama building, and it's a good start, but now you have to go beyond the rudimentary placing-of-figures and set pieces in order to really draw the viewer in and impress them with the realism of your work. You must consider beyond what are just the elements--the soldiers, the armaments, the sandbags--and think carefully how each one of these individual pieces--even each piece of each piece--might show wear, weathering, some individual trait or quirk that gives it realism and life?

The groundwork, as Hans mentioned, is one of the most important elements in diorama building. It is not sufficient to put down a simple grass mat, unless you are modeling the well-manicured lawn of a governmental building or golf club house--and then again, if you are, you must make the viewer aware of that, and tell them why in some way. Go out and look at real ground--look att he veriety of plants, of bare patches, of the diversity of cover--there is much to be learned.

Try to get a hold of the great Shep Paine book "How to Build Dioramas"--here is a link to it on Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Build-Dioramas-Sheperd-Paine/dp/0890241953/ref=sr_1_1/102-9370310-9224930?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185569293&sr=1-1

It will tell you everything you need to know!

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:23 AM
thanks Hans! now would you suggest to fill the gaps with, ''dirt''? and the figures are not that shiny in real life, a lot of glare in the pics, bad photographer! And doog, you nailed it, I turned 12 a few months ago. Also I will work on adding some some highlights and foliage to the diorama. And I think I will probably buy the Shep Paine book, it looks good! thanks a bunch for your comments guys! I will try to improve and post pics when i'm done.


Thanks, Jim

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Posted by stick man on Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:53 AM

Yay! another modeler close to my age, I'm 14.

The first thing I noticed was that the figures looked shiny but than you mentioned that some of that was glare from the pictures. What kind of paint did you use to paint the figures? if you used Tamiya paints keep in mind that if you mix in the Tamiya Flat Base coulor it will reeeaaly help to remove the shine but don't mix in to much or else the paint turns white! If your useing other paints I can't help ya.

The sand bags also look to clean try dirting them up a bitSmile [:)]

I think you can definatly improve this dio with a bit of work.

Smile [:)]

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:10 PM

now would you suggest to fill the gaps with, ''dirt''?

Well, I started building dioramas at your age, and back then I used dirt for "dirt"... Still do... Find a spot and dig some good roadside dirt up, then shake it through a piece of windowscreen... Plaster works too, as well as joint compound and putty...

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:44 PM

 model maniac 96 wrote:
I turned 12 a few months ago.

DAMN!

Well for 12 years old, that looks pretty darned good!

And stick man at 14? 

It's GREAT to see that we have some young blood in the honny still!I thought everyone your ages was walking around with earbuds in their ears, texting til their fingers wear out, or sitting in front of a game screen?! 

Good to see you two doing something to actually learn something creative and productive! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:50 PM
 the doog wrote:

 model maniac 96 wrote:
I turned 12 a few months ago.

DAMN!

Well for 12 years old, that looks pretty darned good!

And stick man at 14? 

It's GREAT to see that we have some young blood in the honny still!I thought everyone your ages was walking around with earbuds in their ears, texting til their fingers wear out, or sitting in front of a game screen?! 

Good to see you two doing something to actually learn something creative and productive! Big Smile [:D]



Thanks a lot doog! i'll try to get my profile up and running some time in the next couple of days.


Thanks, Jim
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Posted by smeagol the vile on Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:40 PM

seriously? 12?  Thats good for 12, though, I agree with doog and hans.  Not only do I wish I had been building since 12, I wish I had of been getting advice from people like doog and hans for that long, wow.

 

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Posted by falschimjager on Monday, April 13, 2009 6:07 PM

Started building at 6, (14 now) you wish you were that young Laugh [(-D] still have my first tank althought it's been repoainted 1/72 kvII

Okay, very impressive but some light work needs to be done, try using a darker color of grass (made the same mistake a while back and needed to re-do an entire diorama, some trees and spare weapons would be nice (life-like scale models makes excellent trees for a fair price and taimya sells extra weapons), i'd recommend including some shrubs or bushes to camofladge to themortar (because the last thing the germans want is to be spotted in an open field with little cover). and try making the diorama a little less flat next time what i do is as follows

1) find the board (should be wood)

2)lay styrofoam (anything works but i prefer styrofoam)in a very very rough version of the hills(shape doesn't matter only height) 

3)takes some screen (as in windowscreen) and lay it over the styrofoam use a constuction stapler to attatch the windowscreen to the plywood over the styrofoam)

4) mix plaster and water in a used container

5)take cut up newspaper soak it in the plaster/water mixture and apply it over the screen (like paper mache) be sure to use multiple layers.

6)allow to dry spray paint and flock (i'll try to get pictures of the finished result up)

sorry about the long post i got carred away Smile [:)]

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:22 PM
Wow... thanks for all your help guys! and stick man and falschimjager, it is great to have some guys on here that are pretty close to my age! and falschimjager, you started modeling when you were six! I started when I was six too! Also, I will try to get new pics up soon. I have begun to dirty up the sandbags, I have darkened the grass color, and I have also plaster cast some rocks and painted, washed, and drybrushed them, and some other miscellaneous stuff.

Thanks, Jim
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Posted by Jim Barton on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:31 PM

Ditto with the doog on Shep Paine's How to Build Dioramas. That's a terrific book! I haven't built a diorama in years, but I've always liked looking at them.

It's good to see young people like you getting into the hobby!Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by gormoneeye on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:54 PM
You're off to a great start just by posting. You will definately learn alot from the great people in these forums. Smile [:)]

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:20 PM
Thanks a bunch for your help guys!
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Posted by Stern0 on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:05 PM

Good points made so far MM! My two cents are detail and dirt...I always say: 5 minutes in the feild and it's dirty! As far as detail, find good reference material and pay close attention to the landscape...helps loads when doing your ground work. A trick I developed is to look at a interesting veiw (the backyard is a good place to start) and tell yourself: I can model that! You have a good foundation, just raise the bar for yourself and listen to the advice given in previous posts...unlike this one, they know what they are talking about...Keep it up!Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:50 PM

Thanks for all of your really helpful comments guys! To get rid of the "mowed lawn" effect, I have plaster cast, painted, washed and dry brushed some rocks. Tell me what you think!

 

 

Thanks, Jim

 

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Posted by TacoBuff on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:55 PM
Dang! You sure you didn't just pluck those out of your backyard?
Looks good to me!
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:33 AM
Those look pretty durn good... Just remember that when you emplace them, they were exposed by years and years and years of errosion by rain, snow & wind, not dropped by a helicopter...

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Posted by Huxy on Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:09 AM

Dang.. wish I was that good when I was 12..   I'm 17 now, and have modelled for as long as I can remember..  Smile [:)]

 

Looking forward till more! And mark what Mike wrote. They are not dropped from a helicopter. Wink [;)]

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Posted by vector123 on Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:11 PM
Looks good what kit did you use?
always looking for tips and suggestions!
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Posted by model maniac 96 on Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:25 PM

Hi guys!

   With all of the improvements such as rocks that have been blended into the earth "not dropped by a helicopter" Whistling [:-^] and I darkened the original grass color, darkened and dirtied the sandbags, and rearranged the order of the sandbags. No easy feat! Banged Head [banghead] Tell me what you think guys!

   Vector123, the kit was Dragons Fallschirmjager 8 cm mortar team in Italy 1944 (kit #6215), with a few slight homemade modifications. Hope that answers your question!

 Thanks! JimSmile [:)]

 

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Posted by camo junkie on Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:20 PM
mm96 looks much better than b4. i would take the smaller rocks off of the bigger rocks and take the grass off the upper sandbags. your getting the idea though and just your current changes made a world of difference. maybe you could take the grass out of the area around the inner sandbags making it seem like that ground work was used to fill the bags. in other words put sand down in that area. but definately loose the rocks on top of the bigger ones. other than that for a first attempt you didnt do half bad! Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by vector123 on Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:26 PM
Yes it does. Thanks il have to get that kit. 
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Posted by model maniac 96 on Friday, April 17, 2009 12:22 AM
 vector123 wrote:
Yes it does. Thanks il have to get that kit. 


Glad I could be of help, it really is a good kit with lots of extras, a whole sprue of weapons too!!


Jim
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Posted by model maniac 96 on Friday, April 17, 2009 1:00 AM
 camo junkie wrote:
mm96 looks much better than b4. i would take the smaller rocks off of the bigger rocks and take the grass off the upper sandbags. your getting the idea though and just your current changes made a world of difference. maybe you could take the grass out of the area around the inner sandbags making it seem like that ground work was used to fill the bags. in other words put sand down in that area. but definately loose the rocks on top of the bigger ones. other than that for a first attempt you didnt do half bad! Thumbs Up [tup]


Thanks a bunch for your helpful comments camo junkie, but I was trying to take the smaller rocks off like you said... but doing so caused intensive damage to the diorama that I will have to spend a while fixing. So do you think that it would be all the same if I just strew some more of the small rocks around the base to establish a connection between the rocks and the ground work.

Thanks, Jim
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Posted by mmc on Friday, April 17, 2009 2:39 AM

Very nice, the changes have really improved the whole dio.

Well done, looking forward to your next one.

Mark

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Posted by camo junkie on Friday, April 17, 2009 7:31 AM
well, sorry to hear that it caused you problems and damaged the dio.  if it works for you, u know me...dont change it then. ultimately u have to like it more than anyone else. i just want u to step back and see it then say to yourself does that really happen in real life...in other words do rocks lay on top of other rocks like that. sometimes (depending on the circumstances) they do but mostly you wont find that. anyway, do i think u should add more rocks...only if you put sand in place of the grass around the sandbags...and i understand that that would mean redoing the whole thing really. so no dont do it dont worry about it. do it on the next dio u make. Wink [;)]. u made good improvements so far...so just incorporate these new ones into anything u do from here on out that way u wont destroy what ya have already. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by smeagol the vile on Friday, April 17, 2009 8:28 AM
for rocks, to do what you want.  I made my base out of celluclay, and I mixed the rocks, along with some sticks, in the celuclay with the paint, so when I spear the groundwork, it was in the dirt, so to speak, so it had a natural feel to it. Whe  I put the tank tread marks down, some of the rocks would peek through the flattened dirt, it worked well that way.  You should try celuclay for your bases, its great.

 

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Posted by falschimjager on Friday, April 17, 2009 4:51 PM

my only complaint now is that it looks like they shoved grass in the sandbags maybe paint it brown?

but always remember no matter how skilled you are there will always be a flaw or two.

Anyway it looks greatSmile [:)]

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Posted by Huxy on Friday, April 17, 2009 5:28 PM

Well, I like it Smile [:)]

 

What did you use for gras, and the base?

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