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Posted by pordoi on Friday, April 24, 2009 9:01 PM

 vector123 wrote:
WOW Looks great what kits did you use?

251 kit was the Dragon 251/6 since it has the radio equipment that can be used for the /18.  Scratch built the map table and several interior features including the hull mounted scissors scope. 

 The farmhouse was a Custom Dioramics kit; actually used only about half of the kit.  Figure kits were described in the original post above.  Everything else was added from scratch.

 

Bodge:  thanks for the comments.

 Don

 

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, April 24, 2009 7:34 PM
 pordoi wrote:

 

Actually looks more like he is setting up the scissors scope to me.

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Posted by vector123 on Friday, April 24, 2009 2:57 PM
WOW Looks great what kits did you use? Bow [bow]
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Posted by Bodge on Friday, April 24, 2009 2:27 PM
Nice jobThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 24, 2009 11:59 AM

The "Battleship" idea is a good one, wonder if I can work that into a future build....

Actually had that sceario in the real world...  Several guys in my first battery's FDC played Battleship all the time during their down time in the field...  Axis and Allies too...

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Posted by panzerguy on Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:50 PM

  Pordoi saw this over in the 251 GB just wanted to say againBow [bow] Bow [bow] Bow [bow]

   For a title how about "Plotting Their Payback"?

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Posted by pordoi on Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:36 PM
 the doog wrote:

Do you think it really need a "title" outside of just calling it what it is, and making it more like you said--like a passive vignette, with the only "title" being the name of the vehicle?

A humorous thought just hit me--you could call it "B....9!"--like in the old "Battleship" game, where you'd try to find the "enemy" with "hits"!

 

You're right, Doog.  Maybe I'm trying to make more of this than it is.  And the comments from Hans about how redlegs really operate (thanks Hans Thumbs Up [tup]) reinforce that.  So I'll keep it simple and title it after the vehicle.  The "Battleship" idea is a good one, wonder if I can work that into a future build....

BTW, ....   Miss.    E-4

 Don

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:22 PM

Being an old Redleg m'self, I'm kinda partial to using artillery terminology, but sometimes that backfires on me since the percentage of viewers you get are largely ignorant of anything outside the guns themselves.. Mention FISTies, FO's the FDC, Survey and Met Sections, and the blank looks follow...

In order to make this apparent, I'd suggest doing a little background here...  Your dio can't be telling an FO story about finding the enemy position really, since they're breaking down their observation devices.. When one is adjusting artillery, he keeps watching the target and calling in corrections until it's destroyed, scattered, or moves out of range & sight (or his own position is compromised and becomes untenable).  Since your guys are march ordering ("March Order" is Artillery-speak for moving out of a position), it's probably better to point that out, as it would be more accurate to have them looking for a new position from which to observe...  An observation point like that building would attract the eye of the enemy observer quite fast and some counter-battery fire would be on the way in short-order, and just out of principalit would be fired on just to see if "anyone's home"... 

So for a title, you'll need something along the lines of "Target Destroyed, Time to Go" -("Zerstörtes Ziel! Zeit um zu gehen!"), or something along those lines..

 

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:57 PM
 pordoi wrote:

  How about "The Enemy is Found". 

 

Hmmm... I dunno, Don--to me that seems to impart the idea that there should be an "enemy" in the scene somewhere? I could see people saying "He is?.......WHERE?!"

You're kinda asking your viewer to assume that they know what the heck is going on in the forst place, ie, that the soldiers in the scene are artillery spotters/observers and that they specifically KNOW where the enemy is? Does that make sense?

Do you think it really need a "title" outside of just calling it what it is, and making it more like you said--like a passive vignette, with the only "title" being the name of the vehicle?

A humorous thought just hit me--you could call it "B....9!"--like in the old "Battleship" game, where you'd try to find the "enemy" with "hits"! But then again, you'd  have to assume that the viewer knew that game....sigh..!

 

 

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Posted by pordoi on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:42 AM

Doog, Hans:  You guys are spot on.  It's interesting that, at least from my perspective, without the farmhouse, it's just a base for display and nobody would expect a storyline.  But add the structure and it becomes a diorama.  I did struggle with the title.  In large part because this is a passive scene; there's not alot of action going on.  It's also a somewhat esoteric version of the vehicle and without knowing what the /18 was built to do (artillery observation), there's little in the scene to convey that.  But on thinking about your comments, I came up with another title which may be more appropriate and convey a story better.  How about "The Enemy is Found".   At least this is consistent with the commander pointing to his map.  The viewer can then surmise that the location is being radioed and that all h#ll is about to break loose.

 Thanks also for your comments on the construction.  I guess that with the passive storyline, the pressure was on to engage the viewer by other means. Smile [:)]

camo, luft, squeakie, aj and maniac:  Thank youy gentlemen for your comments.

 Don

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:37 PM
The building work is just awesome, even if it is a kit, and that's a word I don't throw around... The storyline is a bit vague since it's not immediately apparent as to what they're doing, but that's a common thing.. I'd suggest something in line with Doog's recomendation..

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:46 PM

Fabulous, Don--FABULOUS!!

This looks just awesome!

The only thing that I would take issue with is the title. I would suggest a different title than the one you've chosen (in case you're thinking of getting a name-plaque or something for the front). I just dont think that the storyline is evident enough to make it a strong title. Unless you're going to put like a mortar in there or something?

Now that I think of it--maybe it would work better if you called it "Plotting the Payback"? At least that confers the idea of what they're doing in plotting the coordinates for a strike?

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:55 PM
Very nice work man, that is awesome!
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Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:29 PM

Very nice job overall. Well put together, the elements are nice and consistent.

Good work. Make a Toast [#toast]

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Posted by squeakie on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:43 PM

very, very nice work

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Posted by Lufttiger on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:17 PM
Nice job, i have the same Custom dio kit, you did a much better job on yours tho. I really like your ground work as well. Your figs seem a little glossey, but that could be from the light?

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Posted by camo junkie on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:10 PM
wow, really nice job. not a ww2 guy but good is good. i like it! Thumbs Up [tup]
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Payback
Posted by pordoi on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:07 PM

This was a build of a 251/18 that I did for Dupes' 251 GB.  I had planned to put it on a base but then got distracted with another GB until last week when I realized that the 251 GB was coming to a close.  So I came back determined to follow up on the /18.  A simple base was all that was initially planned.  But then, I found a Custom Dioramics Italian Farmhouse kit at the LHS; and a few additional figure sets that looked interesting.  I came across some Hudson and Allen materials; never worked with them until now.  And before you know it, I'm into a full blown project.  Here is the result.  First, an overview of the model, groundwork and other elements:

 

 

The model itself has been modified slightly since its initial completion.  Manstein's Revenge commented on the original build that one of the antennas should probably be a star antenna.  He is likely correct, so I added a PE star antenna from a Tasca kit that was initially intended for a command tank.  I also added a few more things that might not be very visible in the pics above, like a map case and set of binoculars on the map table. 

The setting is supposed to be in Italy; the farmhouse is in ruins as the terrain has changed hands from German to British 8th Army and back again.  Artillery bombardment has topped or toppled the trees.  And our boys here are calling in the coordinates for a little payback.  A crew member has just taken some sightings and is breaking down the scissors scope after relaying coordinates to the commander and radio crew.

 

 

The groundwork is Scenic Express Mold-A-Scene plaster.  This is a fairly coarse grained plaster that I mixed with earth tone acrylic paint and some white glue to bond it better to the base.  Takes overnight to fully set.  Then, the entire surface was coated with slightly thinned white glue (bits at a time) and covered with finely sifted real dirt.  The dirt was rubbed in firmly and filled in the coarse texture of the plaster creating a nice dirt surface finish.  At this point, the grassy surfaces, which are pieces of a Silfluor cow pasture mat were glued on.  The dirt surfaces remaining were coated again with dilute white glue and a layer of coarser real dirt was added.  This also served to blend in the edges between grass and dirt surfaces.  Scenic grass was cut into various lengths and glued around the base of walls and structures.  The stone wall in the picture above was made using aquarium pebbles and was built one layer at a time using CA.  Oil washings with various shades of brown, grey and black, along with some acrylic dry brushing gave it its color.

 

 

 

The farmhouse is a Custom Dioramics product.  These are plaster based kits and this one must have been knocked around a bit because it was broken in several places when I opened it.  Some of the cracks were still visible after I epoxied everything back together, so these were filled in a bit more and painted as if they were patches made to the exterior finish.  The structure was given a base coat of tan acrylic and then lots of oil washes mostly in shades of sienna.  Windsor & Newton Burnt Sienna oil has an orange tint to it that makes a very nice terracotta; it was used on the tiles lining the wall.  I also took some liberties in assembling the house so that it fit nicely onto the base (which is an 8.5 x 11" wood plaque).

 

 

The inside of the structure was plain and needed additional work.  Basswood strips were added to the walls and around the door frame.  The door itself was resin, but it had molded wood grain only on the outside surface.  The grain on the inner surfqace was scratched in by hand.  Additional pieces of basswood were cut, ends were made ragged using the XActo knife and placed as debris on the ground.  Then,  a handful of Hudson & Allen debris was added and set with dilute white glue. 

 

 

The ivy was also Hudson & Allen.  The base vine seems to be made of a thin Scotchbrite material that was painted brown.  The foilage look to be birch seeds.  The vines were glued onto the wall with CA, then coated with thick dabs of white glue.  The foilage was sprinkled on and given a few minutes to dry.  Excess was shaken off and the process repeated until the desired look was obtained. 

 

Ready for a quick escape before the shells start flying....

 

 

The radio crew is busy at the moment.

 

 

a few final details; the trees are real branches obtained from a river Birch in my yard.  Figures came from the Dragon 251/6 kit (the radio crew), from Dragon German command Staff figure set and from Tristar's Last Consultation figure set.  Scissors scope, tripod and accessories were from Tristar's Spotting Scope kit.

Thanks for reading.

 Don

P.S.  Apologize for overshooting my background in some of the photos.

 

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