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DITCY Part 2 *update 9-19*

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, November 1, 2009 11:18 AM

[quote user="Manstein's revenge"]Where's Manny?  .

.been working on a small vignette with a girl in it...I am trying to concentrate on wrapping this dio up and also the other WIP: I have not been posting as much, but I have completed the buulding in this dio so things should start moving more to a clip...

Not "as much" indeed.   And not even a teaser photo this time ! Very mysterious,  Herr Feldmarschall ,            very mysterious you are.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:59 PM
 deafpanzer wrote:
Where's Manny?  I am afraid he has been busy painting more female figures for us because he knows we like 'em... I admit I have been looking forward to see more of this DITCY Part 2.
Actually this is true...been working on a small vignette with a girl in it...I am trying to concentrate on wrapping this dio up and also the other WIP: "Counterattack!"...I need to finsih these up and get them off the bench so I ahve not been posting as much, but I have completed the buulding in this dio so things should start moving more to a clip...
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Posted by psstoff995 on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:43 PM
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Posted by ps1scw on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:22 PM
I think he's been going to poetry readings and a pottery class to impress a girl he fancy's.
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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:08 AM
Where's Manny?  I am afraid he has been busy painting more female figures for us because he knows we like 'em... I admit I have been looking forward to see more of this DITCY Part 2.

Andy

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:05 AM
Looking really nice Manny!  I like how you marriedWink [;)] the AA gun with the truck.  Cool idea to go with dunkelgelb too...where did you get the info on the rail system?...very unique!

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Posted by Mic on Monday, October 26, 2009 11:23 PM

Agreed, wanting more.

 

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Posted by *INDY on Monday, October 26, 2009 6:22 PM
~ Yes, all very true, very true. But where has "The Man" gone? Too busy working on this thing to post-up I hope. Hope his life didn't get so busy with Flak he lets another month slip....................by

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Posted by Bodge on Monday, October 26, 2009 2:44 PM
Manny that is some incredible work that youve done on this and im not just being polite, the truck is amazingly realistic as are the figures and the wooden box and the cow and so on . greeeeaaaat stuffBow [bow]
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 25, 2009 3:26 PM
 bbrowniii wrote:

Hey Manny

Great work!  Just a quick question/suggestion.  I know you are having some issues with the layout and were thinking of a larger base.  What if you simple put the truck a little further from the building and at an angle, with the front towards the building.  The GI with the rifle could be at the right rear corner as the other two GIs dart across the gap between the side of the building and the truck.  The dead cow could fill the dead (no pun intended) space created on the right side of the truck. 

I'm not sure if your base allow you that degree of flexibilty, but if it did, it might save you the trouble of prepping a new base.

Thanks, bbrowniii---I am going to "cant" the main elements and probably will move to a bigger base, but retain the oval shape...I don't want to compromise what I want to achieve in the composition by the size of my current base...
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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:30 PM

Hey Manny

Great work!  Just a quick question/suggestion.  I know you are having some issues with the layout and were thinking of a larger base.  What if you simple put the truck a little further from the building and at an angle, with the front towards the building.  The GI with the rifle could be at the right rear corner as the other two GIs dart across the gap between the side of the building and the truck.  The dead cow could fill the dead (no pun intended) space created on the right side of the truck. 

I'm not sure if your base allow you that degree of flexibilty, but if it did, it might save you the trouble of prepping a new base.

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Posted by Mic on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM
 Mansteins revenge wrote:

Major elements complete...working on composition before laying groundwork...please give feedback on this comp. or I'll haul that cow carcass over and dump it in your front-yard...

 

Dude, those uniforms are stunning! Incredible work.

Steve

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:13 PM
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Manny i really like the figure painting and the attention you've given to the detail. i like the flak with the subtle chipping, and the moo moo. lol . if i may what paints did you use.  great work

calvin ng

P.S i just thought that i could make a dio similiar to yours, just with a G.I tripping over the cow though :-)

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Posted by calvin_ng on Monday, September 21, 2009 9:23 PM

Manny i really like the figure painting and the attention you've given to the detail. i like the flak with the subtle chipping, and the moo moo. lol . if i may what paints did you use.  great work

calvin ng

P.S i just thought that i could make a dio similiar to yours, just with a G.I tripping over the cow though :-)

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Posted by *INDY on Monday, September 21, 2009 8:09 PM
[quote user="Manstein's revenge"]
 INDY wrote:

 

 Herr Feldmarschall, I think you got enough to chew on at this point, I just  found this shot & had to think of DITCYII. I always like finding similar reference to my works before, during even after. Blow this up and look at the tension, how ready to snap off a few shots these guys are.

P.S. Having 'slept on it' I envisioned a (slight slope?) with moo moo on a downward facing hillface, maybe with the building even more elevated? Seems unacceptable to get rid of the moo-cow, and everyone wants to see ALL the elements you came up with, right?  IDK, just what popped into the 'ole noggin, we'll wait 'til you go to town on it...................Indy out.................

I have actually had that pic bookmarked for years...one of my favs...and I guess subconsciously my dio refelcts some of that scene...cool...

No kidding? HA~! Thats increadable, At least we know we're on the same page.(pun intended)         Interesting timing ain't it?I'd never seen this/\/\/\

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 21, 2009 7:20 PM
 INDY wrote:

 

 

 Herr Feldmarschall, I think you got enough to chew on at this point, I just  found this shot & had to think of DITCYII. I always like finding similar reference to my works before, during even after. Blow this up and look at the tension, how ready to snap off a few shots these guys are.

P.S. Having 'slept on it' I envisioned a (slight slope?) with moo moo on a downward facing hillface, maybe with the building even more elevated? Seems unacceptable to get rid of the moo-cow, and everyone wants to see ALL the elements you came up with, right?  IDK, just what popped into the 'ole noggin, we'll wait 'til you go to town on it...................Indy out.................

I have actually had that pic bookmarked for years...one of my favs...and I guess subconsciously my dio refelcts some of that scene...cool...
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Posted by vespa boy on Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:01 PM

Manny good to see this coming together. I think Indy and Doog really covered the main points. To me the truck and the building are the main bulk of the composition and need to be more asymmetrically placed so that they guide your eye around the scene not only on the base but with each other. All I am suggesting is lots of fiddling with the big elements until they sit right in the available space. Keep on working you are getting there.

 

PS I really don't like the cow...just my opinion.

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:44 PM

 

 

 Herr Feldmarschall, I think you got enough to chew on at this point, I just  found this shot & had to think of DITCYII. I always like finding similar reference to my works before, during even after. Blow this up and look at the tension, how ready to snap off a few shots these guys are.

P.S. Having 'slept on it' I envisioned a (slight slope?) with moo moo on a downward facing hillface, maybe with the building even more elevated? Seems unacceptable to get rid of the moo-cow, and everyone wants to see ALL the elements you came up with, right?  IDK, just what popped into the 'ole noggin, we'll wait 'til you go to town on it...................Indy out.................

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Posted by Jester75 on Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:17 PM
Great work MR, I love the flak truck!!!! I agree with everyone else. Just wondering though, how much empty space is a bigger base going to create and do you have any thoughts on how to fill that space??

Eric

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:25 AM
 the doog wrote:

INDY has some great points, Manny--I also am having doubts about the feasability of the moog. Wink [;)] The matter is the base dimensions, and the difficulty of cramming all those elements in there and still having some necessary "dead space" to give it that feeling of authenticity.

Are you married to the moog? YOu might be better served getting a chicken or something for that kind of animal element; I think the cow may be justa little too big for the scene and base at this point...?

After reading all of the posts and looking at the mock-up again, I believe you and the others are right: drop the cow or go for a bigger base...

I think I am gonne retain the cow and get a bigger base. I am gonna check where I got that one and see if I can up-size---I like the oval shape because it removes corners that a swuare would give that I really don't need. A larger base will also gove me more room for other goodies I built for this dio, like a plow and other farm impliments...thanks for the feedback everyone!

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, September 20, 2009 8:54 AM

INDY has some great points, Manny--I also am having doubts about the feasability of the moog. Wink [;)] The matter is the base dimensions, and the difficulty of cramming all those elements in there and still having some necessary "dead space" to give it that feeling of authenticity.

Are you married to the moog? YOu might be better served getting a chicken or something for that kind of animal element; I think the cow may be justa little too big for the scene and base at this point...?

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Posted by Marcus-Sirilicus on Sunday, September 20, 2009 6:31 AM

1st off great work Manny.  But, I think Indy Sign - Ditto [#ditto] has a good point/idea. I certainly have no room to talk, but the cow does seem off to me.  

 Just looks like they would of had to back the truck in since the cow is there, it kind of blocks off the path that you would assume the vehicle took before stopping.  Maybe just a lil tinker-in.  Just my My 2 cents [2c]   for what ever thats worthBig Smile [:D]

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, September 20, 2009 5:18 AM
 the doog wrote:

Excellent, Manny! I love the action in it. The elements look terrrific!

NOt sure about the cow--I think that the composition looks a little too symetrical with the five figures basically ringing the base like numbers on a clock. A little asymetry would help, I think. Maybe you could move the running men back toward the shooter more, and leave more space between the cow and them.

Is this going to be a dirt road/terrain type situation? Because I think that if you're going to have a paved/cobblestone situation, it would be better to leave the cow out. 

Thanks, doog...I agree...I have been thinking and I believe w/ some minor tweaks I can move the cow to the immediate foreground and have the two runners between the cow and the truck...

I have been thiking of ground I have it narrowed down to packed earth, w/ ruts in it...or semi-cobbled, which you often see in Europe where an old road has been left to the elements and the earth has reclaimed large patches of the stones...hard to explain but I'm sure you've seen it...

Well, I think Doog pretty much said it. All the elements are fantastic, the figures ~ killer , The action ~ all of it. i was going to say something silmilar about the fairly consistaint amount of space between each model. I find myself doing this when i go to lay things out, but later relize something more natural than 'even' is needed. The fix you drew up has possibilities, but that puts both G.I.s into the line-of-fire of the guy aiming down his sights ~ and puts the dead cow right up front(is that where ya want it?)  Other thing is the truck is smack centered on the building,  a realistic way to park to conceal one's position, but for composition sake, maybe a solution lay in a little angle'in there?  You sure don't have much real estate to work with(I know closely placed elements tend to work best)but, are you married to that plinth?  I tried to help per the question, but without being able to really move the chess pieces around.....I'd just have to sleep on it..................Indy

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Posted by Stern0 on Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:46 PM
Fantastic figs as always M.R...the truck and gun are fantastic and other than the symetry issue, which you seem to have a handle on, the the layout is awsome! Can't wait to see the ground work.Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:10 PM
 the doog wrote:

Excellent, Manny! I love the action in it. The elements look terrrific!

NOt sure about the cow--I think that the composition looks a little too symetrical with the five figures basically ringing the base like numbers on a clock. A little asymetry would help, I think. Maybe you could move the running men back toward the shooter more, and leave more space between the cow and them.

Is this going to be a dirt road/terrain type situation? Because I think that if you're going to have a paved/cobblestone situation, it would be better to leave the cow out. 

Thanks, doog...I agree...I have been thinking and I believe w/ some minor tweaks I can move the cow to the immediate foreground and have the two runners between the cow and the truck...

I have been thiking of ground I have it narrowed down to packed earth, w/ ruts in it...or semi-cobbled, which you often see in Europe where an old road has been left to the elements and the earth has reclaimed large patches of the stones...hard to explain but I'm sure you've seen it...

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Posted by psstoff995's lbro on Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:56 PM

Stunning work as always Manny!

It looks great, coming along very nicely. Thumbs Up [tup] 

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:47 PM

Excellent, Manny! I love the action in it. The elements look terrrific!

NOt sure about the cow--I think that the composition looks a little too symetrical with the five figures basically ringing the base like numbers on a clock. A little asymetry would help, I think. Maybe you could move the running men back toward the shooter more, and leave more space between the cow and them.

Is this going to be a dirt road/terrain type situation? Because I think that if you're going to have a paved/cobblestone situation, it would be better to leave the cow out. 

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Posted by oddmanrush on Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:06 PM

My words simply just won't do it justice...Amazing work. Figures are always so frustrating to me. Honestly, I don't understand how you do it. Good work! The first DITCY was great too. Great composition in this scene. Keep it coming!

Jon

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:26 PM
Feedback, hummm, what can I say about this..... OUTSTANDING WORK, THAT IS AWESOME!!!! I love it, I like the way that the different colors of the truck and 20mm flack add interest to the whole scene.




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