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Streets of Russia 1942

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Posted by personman906 on Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:41 PM

the doog

 

 

Cool beans---pics would be good?

 

 

 

Check over on the Weathering Group Build 2011, since I'll be posting them there in a day or so, but sure, I'll post some here.

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, April 10, 2011 4:56 PM

personman906

ok so i iced up many parts by mixing a bit of white acrylic with ethyl alcohol.  i added a few small snow drifts and some more pigments on the ground and rubble.

Cool beans---pics would be good?

 

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Posted by personman906 on Sunday, April 10, 2011 3:58 PM

ok so i iced up many parts by mixing a bit of white acrylic with ethyl alcohol.  i added a few small snow drifts and some more pigments on the ground and rubble.

In Soviet Russia, MODEL BUILD YOU!

Still Building: Dragon 1/144 HH-60H

Ready for First Coat: Academy 1/35 MH-60G, Tamiya 1/35 Chieftain Mk5, Trumpeter 1/35 KSK Commandos

Finishing Touches: Revell 1/35 PzH-2000, Dragon 1/144 SH-60F, Revell 1/48 F-15E

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, April 7, 2011 10:04 AM

the doog

 

I hope you don't take the criticism as withering; I'm just trying to give you an idea of the myriad of elements that need to be considered for a truly slamming diorama, which IS, after all, about telling a story. And good stories are sometimes difficult to tell without a lot of practice and a good editor! Smile

I am not trying to pile on, but I have to agree with doog's comments. There is too much left out of the dio that is not 'implied' that the 'story' of it doesn't work.

Also, a note on cammie nets - they are used to break up the outlines of a vehicle or position. Usually they are draped in such a way that the are suspended over the vehicle, creating more random shapes rather than sharp angles and flat surfaces.

I mean, you say that the cammie nets are white because there is snow. Well, OK, fine, I'll accept that. But the tank is already whitewashed, so why would it need a white cammie net on it as well? The other thing is that, unforunately, the gauze that you are using does not really mimic cammie nets that well.

I'm also curious about the tracks. They appear to be pretty silver/grey. Did you paint them? If, as you suggested, the vehicle has just fled a forest that was overrun by the Germans, shouldn't there be dirt/mud/snow/debris clogging up the running gear and the tracks?

As someone said before, individually, I think the elements look pretty good. The beat up white wash on the assualt gun looks nice.

As with doog's comments, I hope you take this in the spirit it is intended - as honest critique, based on what I see.

 

 

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 5:06 PM

personman906

 

 

 

 

First of all, I cut some parts in the camo nets so the hatches would be able to open, since the assault gun is supposed to be going through the streets after fleeing a frozen forest overrun by Germans.  The reason for the white nets is simple: there's snow everywhere.  Also, my reason for there not being snow on the ground is that it would have been either melted or cleared by the implied explosions and the debris they left behind.

Hmmmm...ok, well then in that case, let me offer you some more advice. And honestly, I'm not just busting your balls, but trying to give you some honest critique which will help ou to compose better dioramas.I sincerely hope that you take it in that spirit. Wink (honestly, you never know with some guys! Zip it!)

In dioramas, Composition is everything. You can have the most impressive models decked out in $300 worth of aftermarket items, and it doesn't mean squat if your composition is weak.

Maybe the first rule of great composition is: Never Assume that your viewer "knows" what you were thinking with the scenario that you're depicting.

For instance, you tell me that "... the assault gun is supposed to be going through the streets after fleeing a frozen forest overrun by Germans". Now, to be honest, I don't see that, and wouldn't have assumed that if you hadn't told me that. Nothing really positively says that in the diorama besides your word. And if I were viewing this diorama as a judge or a simple modeler on a display table somewhere, I wouldn't think that to myself; I would more likely think "Why the whitewash when there's no snow on the ground?"

Which brings me to the second point. You say " The reason for the white nets is simple: there's snow everywhere." Another poster already pointed out that, well, there's not really...if you look at your diorama objectively, you'll see that you have rather omitted that detail.

Once again, you assume that the viewer can read into your reasoning and know "what you meant" when you say " ...my reason for there not being snow on the ground is that it would have been either melted or cleared by the implied explosions and the debris they left behind."

If you cut the netting for the hatches, it should probably have been peeled back to represent the crew entering and exiting the vehicle; realistically, who would have re-draped it over the hatches again?

I hope you don't take the criticism as withering; I'm just trying to give you an idea of the myriad of elements that need to be considered for a truly slamming diorama, which IS, after all, about telling a story. And good stories are sometimes difficult to tell without a lot of practice and a good editor! Smile

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Posted by personman906 on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 3:30 PM

the doog

For a "first" dio, it's a good effort, but I question the wisdom of the "camouflage nets". They are completely covering the crew hatches, and if this were an abandoned tank, the crew would have displaced them getting out. Also, camouflage nets are generally brownish in color, aren't they?

Some nice details and thought in the rest of it though.

 

First of all, I cut some parts in the camo nets so the hatches would be able to open, since the assault gun is supposed to be going through the streets after fleeing a frozen forest overrun by Germans.  The reason for the white nets is simple: there's snow everywhere.  Also, my reason for there not being snow on the ground is that it would have been either melted or cleared by the implied explosions and the debris they left behind.

In Soviet Russia, MODEL BUILD YOU!

Still Building: Dragon 1/144 HH-60H

Ready for First Coat: Academy 1/35 MH-60G, Tamiya 1/35 Chieftain Mk5, Trumpeter 1/35 KSK Commandos

Finishing Touches: Revell 1/35 PzH-2000, Dragon 1/144 SH-60F, Revell 1/48 F-15E

 

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 10:00 AM

For a "first" dio, it's a good effort, but I question the wisdom of the "camouflage nets". They are completely covering the crew hatches, and if this were an abandoned tank, the crew would have displaced them getting out. Also, camouflage nets are generally brownish in color, aren't they?

Some nice details and thought in the rest of it though.

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Posted by spadx111 on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 2:25 PM

Yes nice build

Ron

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Posted by mfsob on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 2:20 PM

All the pieces seem sell done, the figures give it an air of impending action and their dress seems to fit with the winter whitewash camouflage on the tank. My only question is, with it being obviously cold (I assume that is what you are conveying?) it stands to reason there would be some snow/slush/muck on the street. It just looks too ... clean. A jarring note on an otherwise very good piece.

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Posted by personman906 on Monday, April 4, 2011 6:55 PM

Here's some pictures.

In Soviet Russia, MODEL BUILD YOU!

Still Building: Dragon 1/144 HH-60H

Ready for First Coat: Academy 1/35 MH-60G, Tamiya 1/35 Chieftain Mk5, Trumpeter 1/35 KSK Commandos

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Sunday, April 3, 2011 10:26 PM

Please post some pictures.  I'd like to see it.Big Smile

 

 

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Streets of Russia 1942
Posted by personman906 on Sunday, April 3, 2011 8:14 PM

I've just finished my first diorama.  The centerpiece is Tamiya's 1/35 SU-122, painted in white with green streaks and bare trees, with camouflage nets on various parts.  I put it on MiniArt's Russian Street with Ad Column base and put some Dragon Panzer Grenadiers ready for an ambush behind the kiosk.  I littered the ground with various scraps, including pieces from a Zvezda M3 Scout Car and twisted styrene sheet.  I'll post pics later.

In Soviet Russia, MODEL BUILD YOU!

Still Building: Dragon 1/144 HH-60H

Ready for First Coat: Academy 1/35 MH-60G, Tamiya 1/35 Chieftain Mk5, Trumpeter 1/35 KSK Commandos

Finishing Touches: Revell 1/35 PzH-2000, Dragon 1/144 SH-60F, Revell 1/48 F-15E

 

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