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Battle for Kharkov dio (painfully slow) WIP 1/11/13

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Battle for Kharkov dio (painfully slow) WIP 1/11/13
Posted by SteveM on Thursday, July 7, 2011 8:29 PM

I’ve begun quite an ambitious project (for me). If I have gauged my work output correctly, this project should keep me busy for the next 9 YEARS. However, at the time of writing, I have already been at work for 2 months, so there ya go. This is not so much of a “how I do this” as it is a blog to keep myself interested and working.

A vignette? Sure- it will be capturing a moment in time. A diorama? I’ve forgotten the rules governing that term. Getting those stipulations down never mattered much to me, as I almost never enter my stuff in contests. However it will be classified, all I know is that it will be big; a large display of TAHK figures I’ve acquired over the years. 12 – 13 full figures, in addition to a StuG commander screamin’ atop his vehicle. Possibly a smaller civilian vehicle. At least 1 building. Snow here… mud there, lots of groundwork. Dimensions will be 16x20, or at least that’s the size of the rustic Hobby Lobby picture frame I purchased as the base.

Before I go any further, I must state that I have 0 problems with some open “blank” space in a diorama. Open groundwork, done well, is every bit as intriguing to me as a figure, a building, or vehicle.  As long as it maintains a pleasing composition to my eye, I’m all about it..

What I will be trying to represent is a squad from one of the SS panzer corps as they swing though a suburb village southwest (?) of Kharkov. It’s on the drive in to retake the town, precursor to the 3rd battle in late winter / early spring 1943. Not even sure which panzer corps group yet. That will depend on the decal set I come up with. I know there are a lot of folks out there that know a whole lot more about this battle than I do. Therefore, feel free to chime in on military specifics.



As mentioned, the figure line up will be almost exclusively the Kharkov line of TAHK figures. Most are straight OOB, with some slings added.



The idea will be: first shot takes out point man. Some covering fire is taking place as the rest of the squad scrambles to take cover. StuG F/8  is about 32 seconds away from fully assessing the situation, and taking action.  Here’s the last build shot I have of it:



I’ve made a lot of progress on the StuG since that shot was taken. I’ll post some recent soon, along with a “Frankensteined” commander.

But for now, that’s all I got. Not much to look at yet, but at least it’s started.

Steve M.

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, July 7, 2011 9:15 PM

Should be a great winter scene. Manny will be proud.

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 Eric 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, July 8, 2011 11:39 AM

Holy smoke!  You have my FULL attention Indifferent... knowing you and your modeling skill, it is going to come out great.  Looking forward to this!

 

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Posted by vespa boy on Friday, July 8, 2011 5:21 PM

Steve this could be a dio that benefits from some didactic material around the base to help us understand the greater historical context.

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This ain't no Mudd Club, or C.B.G.B.,
I ain't got time for that now

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Posted by Tankluver on Friday, July 8, 2011 7:42 PM

looks good ill be following this one closely

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 8, 2011 8:14 PM

I am somewhat of an expert on this particular battle so feel free to ask any questions regarding it...If it is the drive to recapture Charkow then it would have taken place in either Feb or March of '43...

I'm sure you also remember that I have modeled several dios concerning this battle in the past...looking forward to this!!!

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Posted by SteveM on Saturday, July 9, 2011 10:48 PM

Hi guys, thanks for looking in here. I appreciate your encouragement and yes, Manny, I will be wide open to joggin' your memory about this battle.

When I started the Stug (III F/8, Dragon 9013), i was chanting "out of box... out of box...". Alas, I can never leave things well enough alone. Even though I realized, early on, that I do not possess the patience to put together Dragon's newer F/8, I am not satisfied with the bare minimum quality of kit 9013. I always photograph my stuff as close as i can, and this kit needs help with the details. I have spent a majority of the build time creating weld seams out of styrene and Apoxie Sculpt. I have also spent about 8 times the actual build time researching the F/8s; trying to find pix showing how the spare tracks were fastened, examples of rear deck winter stowage, etc. Lots of close up ref on many StuG variants out there, but not so much on the F/8. Maddening.

Last week, I finally found a copy of Achtung Panzer volume 5, and I have begun to breath again. Here is where it is at so far:

I'm keeping all the small, fiddly bits off the vehicle until after I finish the tasks requiring lots of handling.

I have removed the spare road wheels from the in-take covers to make room for crew stowage and extra fuel supplies. I figured this is not outside of the realm of possibilities as these guys made their back and forth across eastern Europe, especially in winter, yet i still have no photographic evidence to back myself up. If someone calls "FOUL" loud enough, I might put 'em back. But I'm thinking of going with this possible field modified repositioning. While they were at it, seems that they would have removed the entire mount assembly and, since they are modeled with bolts instead of welds (I think...), I figured I would drill out the bolt holes in the covers. The whole rear deck will likely be covered anyways, but just in case.

How on Earth do them Armor dudes keep their builds so clean, so dust, lint, styrene / putty scraping- free? I've blown this thing with an air can, brushed it, wiped it... still looks like I blew spit wads at it.

Coming soon: hybrid StuG commander...

Steve M.

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Posted by Axel Smith on Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:03 AM

Beautiful work.....

I'd be more than happy to watch this build for the next 9 years... Big Smile

- Alex

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:30 AM

Here's some pics you might find helpful from my vast Kharkov archive...in particular they show some rear-deck stowage on F8 models and also an alternative way of stowing spare roadwheels...They appear to be in dark grey with whitewash in some cases...

Some G models were begining to trickle in to the front in dark yellow but all of the F's appear to be in a base of dark grey...Most were in Heer units but it is documented that the 1st SS Panzergrenadier Division had some F*'s in their order of battle...

 

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Posted by SteveM on Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:31 AM

Manstein's revenge

 

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Excellent, Manny, thank you! Very helpful.

Man, that first shot above looks like they are doin' donuts in the snow! The shot of the stowage is brilliant.

2nd shot above shows what I kinda had in mind with the spares... that's where they're goin'.

As of yesterday, I was actually thinking of going with Leibstandarte, either Kampfgruppe Kraas or Witt. Not as sexy as Peiper or Meyer, but it looks like some F8s under Kraas. I was gonna place this setting in / around Dergaschi, north of Kharkov.

After the Battle #112 has been pretty helpful, as far as giving me ideas for the structures in the outlaying areas. These don't appear to be log cabin, thatch-roofed Russian farms huts. This is good, as I want to do some intricate structure work.

 

Steve M.

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Posted by SteveM on Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:43 AM

Oh, and Thanks (up there), Alex!

Here a re a few shots of the StuG commander. As mentioned, he is Frankenstein'd together. Ant Miniatures torso (including left arm pointing), right arm by TAHK, and the hollerin' head comes from an Alexander Miniatures kit.

His left leg had to be amputated, in order to get him into the hatch.

Thinking about finding room somewhere in the dio for the *** I built a few months ago. Maybe that's what the commander is hollerin' about....

I hope everybody enjoys their Sunday!

 

Steve M.

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Posted by chewybr on Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:06 PM

I cant wait till your finished with this dio. I'm sure it will look amazing ToastYeah

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:15 PM

Cool...I did that German TC awhile back---used the head it came with:

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Posted by SteveM on Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:46 PM

Thanks, Matt!

Manny- which TK kit is that? Looks good. Here's the breakdown of my dude:

Steve M.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:06 PM

Yeah, my bad---it is a different TAHK kit...not sure which...Looks like your dude is wearing one of those sheepsking jackets of the period, as Deitrich is in this pic:

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Posted by SteveM on Monday, July 11, 2011 11:27 AM

Hey Manny

Herr Deitrich's (exceptionally painted) jacket has the heavy wool collar. My commander's jacket is hooded; wondering if it might be more along the lines of these:

Aren't these the reversible (white/ camo) winter jackets? Been wondering about this jacket, since the torso is "borrowed" from a grenadier, rather than StuG crew. Might be able to get away with it, through proper painting.

Steve M.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 11, 2011 11:39 AM

Yeah, after a second look it looks like the "mix-and-matching" you did to get the fig combined a couple of different styles but I think you can pull off the parka with no big problem (the heavy seam on the arm looks like the leather pullover type)...Like Fritz Witt figure on far right:

...keep in mind that those used by the Waffen SS at Kharkov were NOT reversible, as they were fur lined on the inside...later models were reversible...the ones accurate to this dio came in all manners of shades, from olive to mouse grey...

Examples:

Note that they did not un-button all the way down the front like later models did...the fur was usually a combination of white, brown and black---I usually paint it white to keep it looking real in scale...

 

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Posted by BaBill212 on Monday, July 11, 2011 1:43 PM

Steve,, your dio concept sounds great. I'll be following for sure!

Manny, excellent pics and info!

 

Bill

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by SteveM on Monday, July 11, 2011 8:02 PM

Noted, thanks Manny.

Hey Bill, thanks for the encouragement!

I moved on to creating the rear deck stowage, using a mix of resin pieces, tissue paper, and Milliput. I started with covering the engine deck with clear plastic wrap, for protection. Then, I layed down masking tape, sticky side up, to grab hold of the stowage pieces.

I placed the fuel pieces: resin Jerry cans from TAHK, and a fuel drum (from unknown manufacturer). I assembled these items against the spare track run, along the back of the deck. Then, I rolled pieces of Milliput and mashed them down on to the deck, molding them around the shapes of the in-take covers. I'm not getting too specific with the folds and contours for these pieces... the general idea is to create shapes representing personal gear, to be be covered by a tarp (or blanket). Last week, during some experimentation, I had made a bedroll out of tissue paper (the gift box type) soaked in Scenic Glue, and I added this to the pile."Cause I'm lazy like that.

I created indentations for 4 helmets, and a couple of other small items. When the tarp covers the stowage, the helmets will flt nicely into these indentations, giving the appearance of weight. At this point, I also marked the spot on one of the bedrolls were the commander's hatch will be resting. I've kept the hatch off for this purpose. This hatch will receive some scratch (locking lever).

You get fingerprints all over the Milliput pieces. Best advice, to relieve the most stress, is *not* worry about any of that until you have all your pieces formed to your liking. You have about 3 hours to work with this stuff so, when you are happy with your pile, go back over it with water and a paint brush. You can smooth out fingerprints, create folds and contour and, if you are really gonna go for it, you can add texture to the "fabric". Since my pile will be mostly covered (mostly...), I did not concern myself with texture and contour. I did, however, smooth out my fingerprints.

After 24 hours or so, the stowage piece is rock (well, resin actually) solid. I removed it from the deck, and then removed the tape from the bottom.

Back to the model, my pile of crap sits nicely on the engine deck.

I'm still trying to decide on whether to make the tarp from a thin thin thin layer of Milliput or Apoxie Sculpt, or a glue-soaked piece of tissue paper (the nose-blowin' type). If I can get it thin enough, without ripping, breaking, or cracking, I'd prefer to use putty.

From there, I will work on arranging some tie downs. I can file grooves into the putty for the rope, straps, chain, whatever I decide to go with, to give the appearance of tension (the hugging type). I will secure the Jerry Cans and fuel drum, probably with chain. Very small chain. The Jerry Cans will be painted separately from the rest of the stowage.

That's all I got for now, Thanks for lookin, if you looked in.

Steve M.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:08 AM

I love your stowage and want to hide under your tarp...

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Posted by SteveM on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:21 AM

Come over and make your own indentation.

Steve M.

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Posted by BaBill212 on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:34 PM

Great work Steve....

Did you consider lead foil for the tarp?

Just a thought................

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by p38jl on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:44 PM

Lurking.. and Liking..Yes

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Posted by SteveM on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:20 PM

Thanks, Bill. I hadn't considered using foil... have you had luck with that?

Thanks for checking it out, p38jl- lurk all you wanna Smile

Tonight's progress includes field-mod spare wheel brackets against the hull side, using brass strip, adding weld beads with Apoxie Sculpt. While I had some out and mixed, I cleaned up some of spots of the glacis.

Not very interesting just yet, so I didn't bother with images. More work tomorrow after the putty is cured.

Steve M.

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:28 AM

Looking good. Nice job on the stowage.

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Posted by CrashTestDummy on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:28 PM

I'll usually use glue-soaked tissue (yes, the Kleenex(R) type) if I'm making something I want to look like canvas (canvas top, or retracted and covered canvas top, etc.) that's a single thin sheet or wrapped up in the stuff.  If it's just a drape, I'd try lead foil.  But that's just me.  Nice work on the junk on the trunk.  :-)

Gene Beaird,
Pearland, Texas

 

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Posted by SteveM on Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:27 PM

Lame, but not dead.

Update to the StuG, mostly OVE

The towing cables nearly did me in. Stepped away from the Hobby Room for about a month after finishing those.

Ugh. I Forgot how much I hate PE. I mean, I love it but, y'know, I hate it.

Next steps: detail work on them jerry cans. Then, the tarp goes up. When it feels finished and ready to paint, I will attach the muzzle brake. Fruils.

Then the fun project begins. Something along the lines of this:

or this:

Steve M.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:39 PM

I'm liking the StuG and if you can replicate one of those Ukranian houses (and if anyone can its you) this dio will be "the bomb"...

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Posted by SteveM on Saturday, September 17, 2011 7:48 PM

Hey, thnx for the vote of confidence, Manny. I love the crazy, ornate accents of those Ukraine homes. Got me scourin' Hobby Lobby et al for the tiniest of stuff.

Steve M.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:11 PM

SteveM

Hey, thnx for the vote of confidence, Manny. I love the crazy, ornate accents of those Ukraine homes. Got me scourin' Hobby Lobby et al for the tiniest of stuff.

Well my local store has tons of wood products and the perfect artists' acrylic paints to be had---and all very cheap...I still remember the barn you were building right before you "cashed your chips in last time"...it was incredible.  Hope you stick around and see this one through...

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