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European barns
Posted by Kevleerey on Tuesday, May 8, 2007 10:09 PM
Hi again!
I've decided now to build a barn instead of a shop for my sherman. I will not build the whole thing, jus part of it big enough for the tank and a Jeep and some figs. I'd like to have some of them in a hay loft maybe. My question though, is how a barn in the 40's in Europe would be built. Similar to American ones? Did they use a monorail system and hay loft or lower level storage for hay? Were interior walls stone or wood? The exterior walls will be stone with wooden doors. Wood roof or corrugated tin? Also, what figure sets would work well? I want them to be relaxed, like resting or maybe sleeping. I don't want to get resin ones, they're too expensive, but I want good ones like Dragon or something. All I've bought are Tamiyas and Dragons, and I don't particularly like the tamayas too well. I also want a farmer or something too but I think I can make one, and I'll need some lanterns and other stuff too, I have no idea where to get them. any help will be greatly appreciated! Sorry for all the questions, someday I'll be able to do my own research adequately enough. Thanks again!
------------------------Kevin
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Posted by gburdon on Wednesday, May 9, 2007 12:11 AM

Kevin

Solve all your questions with one kit.

http://www.verlinden-productions.com/vp_htm_0001_0600/0106.html

It has been around for years and probably will .....til the cows come home....sorry couldn't resistBig Smile [:D]

Cheers;

Gregory

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Posted by Kevleerey on Wednesday, May 9, 2007 11:23 PM
Yeah, thats what I want. But I want to build my own a little bigger'n that. Will make for good reference though, thanks!
 By the way, anyone know how to make stonework? I'm using insulation foam stuff (The sheet kind for walls) and I scribed the outlines of the stones with a pencil. I tried a wood burner but it's too hot, and a Dremel tool but couldn't get it to work too well either. I may try to cast them with plaster so they're easier to carve or something. Thanks for your help!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Kevin
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Posted by gburdon on Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:13 AM

 Kevleerey wrote:
Yeah, thats what I want. But I want to build my own a little bigger'n that. Will make for good reference though, thanks!
 By the way, anyone know how to make stonework? I'm using insulation foam stuff (The sheet kind for walls) and I scribed the outlines of the stones with a pencil. I tried a wood burner but it's too hot, and a Dremel tool but couldn't get it to work too well either. I may try to cast them with plaster so they're easier to carve or something. Thanks for your help!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Kevin

Kevin;

Go to your local building supply and get a piece of sheet rock or drywall. If you peel off the paper covering (you may have to soak it with some water one side at a time) you are left with a perfect piece of pre-made plaster to carve and shape into any desired pattern of brick or stone work. You can scribe it with any sharp object or grind away to make battle damage etc. etc.

Cheers;

Gregory

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:25 AM

In Austria we make a distinction between two types of barnes - one is a "Heustadl" - this is built from wood and used to simply house hay. These can be found often alone standing out in the field (they would be small to medium size - some of the bigger ones could house a sherman but you wouldnt have much wiggle room.

 Here is a sample pic: 

Sometimes they would be directly attached to the Farmhouse and would be bigger - most are made of wood and a brick foundation - here is a pic from a wooden one:

 

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:45 PM

 gburdon wrote:
Go to your local building supply and get a piece of sheet rock or drywall. If you peel off the paper covering

Even better, the gypsum board suppliers are now selling paperless board.  It's a mold-resistant product (no paper for the mold/mildwew to "eat").

The surface is a bit harder than the "core" of paper-faced, but it's also a bit more uniform than "stripped" gypsum board can be, too.

Just don't let the PFK at the home center try and talk you into a backer board like "Durock"--those are a cementitious product that would not be at all fun to try and carve (but are excellently stable for supporting tiled surfaces).

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Posted by Kevleerey on Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:26 PM

Thanks, all!
I think I have some spare sheetrock lying around somewhere. Mad Mel, those pics are helpful, I like the last one. Would you happen to have any pics of the foundation? I'm not sure how the posts are attached, are they in the ground or on the stonework? Thanks again!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------Kevin

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 13, 2007 3:22 PM

I sure do Kevin.

About 90% of Farms would look exactly like this- white colored mortar with a wooden frame on top of it. This farm house has been renovated but it is a picture perfect example:

 

 And some more pics for you

 

Those old Heustadl can be a WW2 Treasure Trove and quite a few american and German Helmets have been found in old abandoned ones with their color scheme almost perfectly intact and very little rust.  

 

 

 

 

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Posted by senojrn on Monday, May 14, 2007 8:51 AM
Shep Paine's How to Build Dioramas book has a great chapter on how to build various types of buildings for dioramas.  I use his technique, which is basically get some thin wood or plywood and cut to desired shape and size.  If there will be damage to the building (ie. missing portions, holes, etc), cut those out first.  Make locator pins using toothpicks glued into drilled holes in the wall sections.  I glue my building sections together with Elmer's wood glue.  Once dry, I use drywall paste (sheetrock lightweight all purpose joint compound).  Apply a thin layer and let dry.  Scribe in any brick or stonework details; this can be done when still damp or after it is dry.  Once dry, apply another thin outer layer of plaster (if you are doing a plaster/stucco building) except where you want the brick/stonework detail.  Paint and weather as desired once the plaster is dry.  [Note: you may want to seal the plaster, otherwise it will take a little more paint since the plaster absorbs the paint.) 
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Posted by richs26 on Monday, May 14, 2007 11:49 AM
Look at the movie "Kelly's Heroes" for a style of village and farm buildings seen in France and Belgium and Central Germany.  You didn't say where you wanted to model.  Even though it was filmed in Yugoslavia in the late '60's, it hadn't changed much from WWII.

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by telsono on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:32 PM

There is another German barn kit out there in 1/35 that is this one:

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=MR35509

I just bought one yesterday and it is good size. This kit uses skills that you would use in building vacuumform kits. Last night I started to cut the pieces out and you will be able to see the insides as well.

Good luck in your hunt and build.

Mike T

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Posted by Kevleerey on Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:14 AM
Hi all!
I think I'll either try the layered plaster or use styrene for wood. The balsa I was using looks too much like balsa even after it's stained. That last kit looks good, but I want to make my own. Also, I have never tried vacu-forming. Is that just where you heat the plastic and vacuum it down over a form? what equipment do you need? Thanks again for your pictures, everybody, they are very helpful. Now to find a good hobby shop... Thanks again!
-----------------------------------------------------------------Kevin
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Posted by Brumbles on Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:32 AM
Sort of staying on topic: what color are the bricks used in Normandy?  More a "brick red" (yeah yeah, you know what I mean), or that yellow oche-ish color?  My ruined barn kit and I need to know!
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Posted by telsono on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:40 PM

Kevin-

Once you find yourself a hobby shop go to the rail road section. They have a lot of material for diorama building that you could utilize. Vacuform is like you mentioned, but i would steer away from doing it yourself. I see alot of putty use with the kit I mentioned, but it is of good size.

Have fun

Mike T.

Beware the hobby that eats.  - Ben Franklin

Do not fear mistakes. You will know failure. Continue to reach out. - Ben Franklin

The U.S. Constitution  doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. - Ben Franklin

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