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New Dio-WIP *Update 12-31*
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 10:09 PM

Just thought I would post some early pics of a dio I am working on to represent a late-war scene...VLS plaster building and resin road and sidewalk elements...resin VLS water pump and Tamiya streetlight, modified w/ battle damage...working on figs and vehicle to go in it...what do you think of the composition so far?

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Posted by biffa on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 11:11 PM
Looks like a great start to another gem Manny i will be following along on this one i may try another dio myself one of these days and could use the tips Smile [:)]
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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 11:42 PM

HUH? Where's the chick?! LOL!

Seriously--looks great so far!

Hit that brick wall with a light tan oil wash, then wipe it off real quick to leave the "mortar" in between the bricks; it'll look realistic...

The buildng interior with the floor looks cool...like the weathering/ smoke on it too!

I'll be excited to see what you come up with for this one! What's the vehicle gonna be?

 

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 11:51 PM

Certainly the blocking works. Is that the base? If so, looks to be one smallish Sdkfz or a foot squad.

My eye always goes to whether or not civil engineering is thought about. I assume the finished facade won't have lintels at knee level.

Here's where vespa boy gives me thought. What if your ground plane isn't plastruct sheet or such, but a little bit more hand crafted?

Last thought- I always like a couple of letters. In this case, maybe a hand painted sign on the end wall advertising beer in the appropriate language? Give an immediate sense of place.

I really like your dios, so look forward to progress shots.

"Attaboy" Bondo

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:07 AM

Thanks, guys...the base is actually larger than one might think...the workable size is about 11.5 by 8.5 inches, so there is actually enough room for...oh, I dunno---maybe a DML zimmed King Tiger?...Whistling [:-^]...or something like that? Anyway, ya'll know like I like to hang things close to the edges of the base...lol...creative turret positioning can also add inches to a dio...

...the building actually depicts what I believe to be a typical German rowhouse with a basement...those are the 1/4 windowns you see at ground level; they represent the building going down into a basement...interesting you mention Vespa's work, as I will be doing a lot of creative carving, sanding, cutting, etc...to depict the street, sidewalk, lamp and water pump properly, and make them all mesh...as this is late war (Oct/Nov/Dec '44 approx.), I might have a dusting of snow on the ground in some spots...the tank will most likely be a 503rd Heer tank, which fought around Aachen and the Hurtgen forest around this time...I already have pictured in my mind how the finished dio will look and I think it will be pretty cool...stay tuned...lol...

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:22 AM
 Mansteins revenge wrote:

Thanks, guys...the base is actually larger than one might think...the workable size is about 11.5 by 8.5 inches, so there is actually enough room for...oh, I dunno---maybe a DML zimmed King Tiger?...Whistling [:-^]...or something like that? Anyway, ya'll know like I like to hang things close to the edges of the base...lol...creative turret positioning can also add inches to a dio...

...the building actually depicts what I believe to be a typical German rowhouse with a basement...those are the 1/4 windowns you see at ground level; they represent the building going down into a basement...interesting you mention Vespa's work, as I will be doing a lot of creative carving, sanding, cutting, etc...to depict the street, sidewalk, lamp and water pump properly, and make them all mesh...as this is late war (Oct/Nov/Dec '44 approx.), I might have a dusting of snow on the ground in some spots...the tank will most likely be a 503rd Heer tank, which fought around Aachen and the Hurtgen forest around this time...I already have pictured in my mind how the finished dio will look and I think it will be pretty cool...stay tuned...lol...

A couple of shots to give better scale:

PS: still working on the story to fit the chick in, doog...lol...

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 12:25 AM

Oh, that is another kind of architecture altogether. That would be Dutch/ Belgian brick architecture, minimal stone.

 

 

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Posted by kcmat on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 1:25 AM

First let me say I look forward to seeing this one as it goes. Try and keep some WIP pics so we can watch. Easier to catch some tips than getting bombed with the finale.

And on that note I have a couple questions. (not of your skill or technique) Things that caught my eye and would like to ask befor I make a booboo down the road.

1) The brick is "redder" (surely thats not a real word!) than I would have used. Is it the lighting or am I just from a region that uses a "browner" (and score 2 for the venacular!) brick? Maybe as Doog said with some mortar work it will tone down.

2) the one side of the building has what I take as smoke stain/soot. But more prevalant on the 2nd floor. Is there a hole in the wall I cant see that smoke or flames would have been coming thru? Was the beam there burning some? Is it not smoke stain at all?

3) The beams (not sure what you really call those. The timber IN the stone) is light. Like it's new wood. Or like it was treated for a natural finish. Was this often the case?

 

Seriously I ask from a learning stand point. Not knockin your work at all. Keep churning out great models!

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Posted by SteveM on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:47 AM

Looking great so far, Manny. I think the layout looks fine. I like the detail on the accessories you've got happenin' so far. Is this gonna support a Pz III? I know how much you want to marry one, as do IBurger [BG]

I did this same building in a dio, my first attempt at really detailing the interior. I made a mistake, though; I finished the bricks "boarding up" the ground floor window from the interior using Sculpey. Looked great- until I painted it... them's some glossy bricks. No amount of Dullcoat brought it down. I modeled / suggested a basement from the the inside, with some grenadiers heading down into it.

I don't think the wood beam look too bad. If anything, a little staining for aging, but I think it looks good. Sets off the brick and stucco (?) nicely, got's an artsy quality to it.

Keep up the good'ers.

Steve 

Steve M.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 9:05 AM
 kcmat wrote:

First let me say I look forward to seeing this one as it goes. Try and keep some WIP pics so we can watch. Easier to catch some tips than getting bombed with the finale.

And on that note I have a couple questions. (not of your skill or technique) Things that caught my eye and would like to ask befor I make a booboo down the road.

1) The brick is "redder" (surely thats not a real word!) than I would have used. Is it the lighting or am I just from a region that uses a "browner" (and score 2 for the venacular!) brick? Maybe as Doog said with some mortar work it will tone down.

2) the one side of the building has what I take as smoke stain/soot. But more prevalant on the 2nd floor. Is there a hole in the wall I cant see that smoke or flames would have been coming thru? Was the beam there burning some? Is it not smoke stain at all?

3) The beams (not sure what you really call those. The timber IN the stone) is light. Like it's new wood. Or like it was treated for a natural finish. Was this often the case?

 

Seriously I ask from a learning stand point. Not knockin your work at all. Keep churning out great models!

Some good questions. Thanks for taking the time for the feedback. My replies are in bold.

1) The brick is "redder" (surely thats not a real word!) than I would have used. Is it the lighting or am I just from a region that uses a "browner" (and score 2 for the venacular!) brick? Maybe as Doog said with some mortar work it will tone down. It is a little "redder" than I normally  paint bricks. After all, I was the guy who said a few times in threads that bricks ARE NOT red...lol...part of the reason for the brightness is because I still have some toning down to do with washes and dusting; the other is that I wanted more of a contrast between building and tank...so there is a thought out process of contrast going on in my mind (hope it works!)...

2) the one side of the building has what I take as smoke stain/soot. But more prevalant on the 2nd floor. Is there a hole in the wall I cant see that smoke or flames would have been coming thru? Was the beam there burning some? Is it not smoke stain at all? In most of my dios I try to suggest what is past the border of the dio, and that's especially important to me because I like 'em small (to me the smaller dios convey more a sense of tension and urgency)...if you look close you can see that this is meant to be but just one row-house in a line of them that goes on...notice that there are remnants of an ajoining wall on the side with the cross beams...I will have rubble, etc. here that represents what was on fire and caused those stains...also, those beams have been charred a little as well...I actually used REAL FIRE from a lighter to get some of the burinig effects on this piece...if you look close inside you can see some VLS wallpaper that has been burned and is curling from the wall...the floors were also on fire...this method takes a lot of control...lol...

3) The beams (not sure what you really call those. The timber IN the stone) is light. Like it's new wood. Or like it was treated for a natural finish. Was this often the case? Wood is fickle...some of it looks distressed/old when it it actually new and vice-versa, depending on treatment, exposure, etc...wood used on the outside of a structure usually would have some protective coating on it, such as paint, clear laquer, etc...may still go back and darken it a bit...

Again, once the tank/figs are on the scene the building will merely provide a nice backdrop for it, along with the other bits, such as the barrel, waterpump, lamp, potato sack, etc...hopefully, it will all look like it is a cohesive piece when all the elements come together...will keep everyone posted on progress...thanks for the help...

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Posted by kcmat on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 4:13 PM
I see thanks Manny. hahaha I came to this thread like 4 times wanting to ask but was hesitant. I truly didnt want to convey a feeling of critique. I look forward to the progress!
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Posted by zokissima on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:28 PM

The general layout follows fairly standard conventions, and works very well as such. You don't really have any obvious areas of empty space, and the one I was going to suggest, you mentioned will be filled with rubble. Will this be an "at ease" or a dynamic type of scene?

I'm curious as to what you'll do to represent the gloom of winter. The light flaking of snow in areas is an interesting idea, since I don't seem to see these scenes set in the winter time as often.

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Posted by Buddho on Saturday, December 8, 2007 10:32 AM
This diorama has a nice layout, and you can tell some thought has been placed in the details, etc. I'll be closely watching this one. I have been dabbling with small vignettes but would like to move up to larger pieces...thanks for the WIP photos, Manny.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 9, 2007 5:41 PM
Update on dio progress...finalized layout scheme and cut plaster castings of cobblestone street ans sidewalk section to fit on base...will now need to sand rough edges smooth and do a little filling where some of the edges crumbled during cutting...added fig to show some scale...feel that all elements of the dio will come together in end. After filling and sanding, will add rubble and debris then start laying colors in...after that add odds and ends in before tank and figs...this dio will represent the early defense of Aachen in the fall of '44...
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Posted by the doog on Sunday, December 9, 2007 6:43 PM
Looks cool there, Manny--you seem to really favor those cobblestone street sections...I was wondering; have you ever done any dio's where the setting was that of dirt or mud? I'm just curious; I don't remember seeing any like that, and I'd be interested in seeing what you could do with that type of groundwork.
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Posted by IYAAYAS on Sunday, December 9, 2007 6:58 PM

I gotta say the long board is really outta place!  otherwise it looks pretty good!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 9, 2007 7:26 PM
 IYAAYAS wrote:

I gotta say the long board is really outta place!  otherwise it looks pretty good!

...lol...the "long board" is a tongue depressor that I glue figs on while painting...it was just placed there for the pic to give it some scale...
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Posted by 9 Toe Tanker on Sunday, December 9, 2007 9:44 PM
Thats gonna look kool manny.....looking forward to it!
Best Regards Joe
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Posted by the doog on Monday, December 10, 2007 1:12 AM
Manny, ya must have overlooked my post...what about the question I asked? Got any groundwork-type dios?  Whistling [:-^]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
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Posted by m1garand on Monday, December 10, 2007 6:53 AM
Now, where's the female figure (AKA German Morale Booster Officer).
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 10, 2007 7:19 AM
 the doog wrote:
Manny, ya must have overlooked my post...what about the question I asked? Got any groundwork-type dios?  Whistling [:-^]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
...oops, here's some:
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Posted by the doog on Monday, December 10, 2007 2:28 PM

WOW Manny! Gorgeous! I've seen a few of these before but not that one with the American halftrack and Greyhound, and I'm not sure if I saw that Pz III one. The groundwork is excellent, as I would have expected!

You are truly a master! The US vehicles one especially catches my eye--the uniform camo and building look outstanding. I love your snow work, and the little details like the leaves.

Outstanding! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Buddho on Monday, December 10, 2007 4:19 PM
Excellent work, Eric!

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Posted by Hellcat man on Monday, December 10, 2007 5:19 PM

In the last picture is that the Academy Mutt or the Tamiya

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 10, 2007 7:08 PM
 Hellcat man wrote:

In the last picture is that the Academy Mutt or the Tamiya

 

That is the Tamiya offering...
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Posted by vespa boy on Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:21 PM
Manny I am curious about street lamps, and maybe you can set me right here. I have been under the impression that the bases are made from cast metal which is strong when left alone, but is very brittle when hit, and results in a snap rather than a bend. Is this right?

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:56 PM
 vespa boy wrote:
Manny I am curious about street lamps, and maybe you can set me right here. I have been under the impression that the bases are made from cast metal which is strong when left alone, but is very brittle when hit, and results in a snap rather than a bend. Is this right?
To be honest, I don't know...I would say there are millions of variables that would determine how different types of metals would react to ballistics...I suppose the blast concusion from an explosion could cause the bending of certain metals...however, I have seen bullet/shrapnel holes and scars on metal posts, including streetlamps...but to be honest, I am not too concerned with that one issue in the dio...when finished, the streetlamp will be a fairly insignificant element in it...thanks for the feedback! 
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:22 PM
Just a small update on the dio base...I cleaned up the edges by filling and sanding the borders of the ceramic pieces...I also added a smaller base for the ruined building to sit on as it didn't look right sitting right on the sidewalk...as you can see it makes it "look" more like it should, especially since it has street level windows...I have some PE that I am working on that will serve as wrought iron "fencing" in front of these ground-level windows that are common.........thanks for looking and all comments welcomed...will start laying in paint Monday...
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Posted by the doog on Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:42 PM

Manny, vespa boy is gonna be hitting you up for tips on that base! That's looking pretty sweet!

I agree that the section beneath the building looks better like that. 

  

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Posted by vespa boy on Monday, December 17, 2007 9:38 AM

Manny you do have a great start there with a lot of textures in the street. I really like the paving bricks and the join mid way in the road and the drain in the gutter.

 This is something to think about as you build (and forgive me if I am telling you stuff you already know) Don't forget that there is a lot of action and consequence on streeet level, if you have a damaged building, the falling bricks must have hit the pavement and caused some pitting . Road repairs often don't match the surrounding areas. Don't forget to make everything settle into the base.... e.g. the pavement will have been redone a few times during the life of the building, so make sure the building doesn't sit on top of the sidewalk etc.

Nice work so far.

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