My idea of a co-ed Army *pics*

To be completely honest, the naked chicks are getting kinda old. Im finding that most of the dios you do get praises for having a girl in them, scantily clad usually. Everyone always talks about how there is no story and stuff is missing from dios. Well I think your dios are almost always the same. There is no more story in these as there is in a low budget pornography. Im sorry but it's how I feel. Don't get me wrong though, you are a great modeller and have fantastic skills painting and modeling. It's just that your diorama's usually lack substance other than eye candy.

Story wise, there aren't many places this one can go Manny, especially in a public family rated forum.

On the other hand, nice touch with the shiny "wet" looking skin. 

Deputy_Brad wrote:

To be completely honest, the naked chicks are getting kinda old. Im finding that most of the dios you do get praises for having a girl in them, scantily clad usually. Everyone always talks about how there is no story and stuff is missing from dios. Well I think your dios are almost always the same. There is no more story in these as there is in a low budget pornography. Im sorry but it's how I feel. Don't get me wrong though, you are a great modeller and have fantastic skills painting and modeling. It's just that your diorama's usually lack substance other than eye candy. Story wise, there aren't many places this one can go Manny, especially in a public family rated forum.   On the other hand, nice touch with the shiny "wet" looking skin.

...there are two vehicles in the dio you can also comment on...hmmmmm, distracted maybe?...

The israeli Army does have co-ed forces...the "furvor" that the few dios I have posted w/ females has created is 95% positive...I even received praise by a FSM staffer who sent me a PM on one of my female figure vignettes...I am not trying to peddle any point of view or "contaminate" the Forum with inappropriate material; in fact, I edit those areas that folks like you find offensive...

....no wonder you call yourself "Deputy"...lol...

You sound pretty offended. I didn't insult you or complain and whine about how I was offended by the content. Im more saying that there are plenty of other pieces of work that are very well done and receive barely any comments and then there are yours which are usually the same thing over and over and each one gets a "WOW MANNY GREAT JOB", "Really great figures even if the chick does look like Richard Nixon". As for the praise from an FSM staff member, they are just another person entitled to an opinion. I wouldn't take something like that to heart too much, it's just another compliment.

I know the Isreali Army has co-ed forces, many armies do. I think it kind of also belittles women (not only in uniform) when you always show a service-woman scantily clad and "attending" to the males.

Distracted? Wait isn't that the whole point of a focal point? To grab the attention towards the main part of the diorama right? Which is what the two figures are. I guess not, it could be the Mutt which is actually what my eye went to in the first pic. And I don't ever recall labelling you so that statement is totally out of place.

Ooout...Ooooh...Youve' done it now D-Brad...you challenged the master! You've been vilified, every one of your post from now on will be scrutinized by the other "followers" in the forum! (ask me how I know) Hope you're ready for it! Manny, the vehicles are both way to clean for a desert setting, the tires look they've just been armor-all'd. The builds are clean and would look good just by them selfs but in this dio...I'm not buying it! The area around the "tub" is dry, some water would have spilled while he was bathing. Little things like that would make the dio more belivable...right?

I think these are the things that "D-B" is refering to. When you show you're "R" Rated dios it always seems that the dio itself is not as good as those you show that are "PG Rated.

Perhaps you get tired of a perticullar dio build, throw a naked woman in it and call it done.  Who knows?

Manny,

It seems like you are chosen as the "Victim of the Month" by yours truly Master IYAAYAS.

First it was me, then the DOOG and now you.

'You sound pretty offended...'

Jeeezuuuus! Settle down D_B! I don't think Manstein sounded offended at all; he took your comments with good humour and simply gave you a satirical reply.

If you are offended by M's dioramas, then don't  look at them - your choice, mate.

Personally, I thought the diorama was entertaining - an alternative take on co-ed military forces. To me the "story" says that after ol' mate has finished his bath, then the "chick" will hop into the bath and he'll scrub her back... after all, we live in an age of equality...

A modeller's model is his artist's canvas - good work Manstein. If you can find time to build models and dioramas for their comedy value, then you're a better man than me, mate!

m1garand wrote:

Manny, It seems like you are chosen as the "Victim of the Month" by yours truly Master IYAAYAS. First it was me, then the DOOG and now you.

Thank you for making my point M1...

IYAAYAS wrote:

m1garand wrote: Manny, It seems like you are chosen as the "Victim of the Month" by yours truly Master IYAAYAS. First it was me, then the DOOG and now you.     Thank you for making my point M1...

Not validating your point, but validating that you are a troll.  You really think that we run to the rescue because I'm the faithful "Follower" of those of people you attack?  We are only responding to your rudeness.  Isn't it funny how people react negatively to your post most of time?  Isn't that telling you something?  Could it be possible that you are a real troll?

Oh by the way, I know what you are going to say.  "I served in the miliary and because of me and my friends, you can be home with your family and ......."  So typical of you.  There are so many of people in this forum who are either serving or have served in the military and yet, they are very humble about their experiences and very polite.  And yet, you use it as an excuse to be rude.  Because you served in the military, doesn't give you the right to be rude. 

Wasn't it you who said "See I told you so" to a person's post about his son's motorcycle accident and then used your Military story as an excuse to justify your comment? So typical of you. 

Why don't you look back some other comments you have posted and see what type of replies you got from others.  I'm sure of it that not all of them are warm and fuzzy. 

IYAAYAS wrote:

Ooout...Ooooh...Youve' done it now D-Brad...you challenged the master! You've been vilified, every one of your post from now on will be scrutinized by the other "followers" in the forum! (ask me how I know) Hope you're ready for it! Manny, the vehicles are both way to clean for a desert setting, the tires look they've just been armor-all'd. The builds are clean and would look good just by them selfs but in this dio...I'm not buying it! The area around the "tub" is dry, some water would have spilled while he was bathing. Little things like that would make the dio more belivable...right? I think these are the things that "D-B" is refering to. When you show you're "R" Rated dios it always seems that the dio itself is not as good as those you show that are "PG Rated. Perhaps you get tired of a perticullar dio build, throw a naked woman in it and call it done.  Who knows?

Funny, the "politically correct police" haven't jumped into the "Beirut" dio yet, and I posted it at the exact same time...hmmmm, maybe they DO like the chicks but just can't admit it...you guys crack me up...

Deputy_Brad wrote:

You sound pretty offended. I didn't insult you or complain and whine about how I was offended by the content. Im more saying that there are plenty of other pieces of work that are very well done and receive barely any comments and then there are yours which are usually the same thing over and over and each one gets a "WOW MANNY GREAT JOB", "Really great figures even if the chick does look like Richard Nixon". As for the praise from an FSM staff member, they are just another person entitled to an opinion. I wouldn't take something like that to heart too much, it's just another compliment. I know the Isreali Army has co-ed forces, many armies do. I think it kind of also belittles women (not only in uniform) when you always show a service-woman scantily clad and "attending" to the males. Distracted? Wait isn't that the whole point of a focal point? To grab the attention towards the main part of the diorama right? Which is what the two figures are. I guess not, it could be the Mutt which is actually what my eye went to in the first pic. And I don't ever recall labelling you so that statement is totally out of place.

And my point about the staffer was simple: if they thought the work was out of line I would have received something different than a compliment...

If the Mutt was truly what you liked in the dio you should have commented on that, not the one fig in the dio that you have a problem with...should I start putting veils on the female figs from now on...is that where this is coming from?

I don't think it's an all that bad dio, don't forget that Manny stated that this was a dio from yesteryear, for all we know that this could have been one of his first dios ever, and nothing will be perfect, so what.

Manny, I like your dios, even if they have the ladies in them, they're no different than if someone who does car dios with bikini girls all over them...yet people will love the Mustang with the girl, but frown on the military scene with a female?

Keep it up, I like what I see.

Kelly_Zak wrote:

I don't think it's an all that bad dio, don't forget that Manny stated that this was a dio from yesteryear, for all we know that this could have been one of his first dios ever, and nothing will be perfect, so what. Manny, I like your dios, even if they have the ladies in them, they're no different than if someone who does car dios with bikini girls all over them...yet people will love the Mustang with the girl, but frown on the military scene with a female? Keep it up, I like what I see.

D-B, I understand your point of view and also respect it, but can you just think of it as this is something different than others? (Well, we all know that Manny definitely is different than most of us)

I personally like Manny's dios (whether there are girls in it or not) because he does have great skills and sometimes very humorous.  I guess we can't please all.  I have family members who were murdered by Japanese people during occupation of Korea, but that doesn't mean I'll be telling people building WWII Japanese figures or war machines that they are wrong or I'm offended by it. 

On the topic of the dio, I really like the jeep. There is enough stuff on it, and the painting techniques you used, namely what looks like pretty heavy drybrushing, is of a style that I really happen to like. It also gives it a somewhat 'weathered' appearance. As for the LAV, IMO it is way too clean. You clearly drybryshed the edges of the front hull armor, but the effect is not as apparent as you move down further on the vehicle. The tires are also way too clean, with nothing in the treads, typically something I think you would see in a desert setting...

Also, I think for the size of the dio, you probably may have been better off using only one vehicle. Using the vehicles to sort of outline the 'action' in the scene is effective, but maybe just to my eye it looks a little cluttered, with a lot of dead space on the ground. You did use some vegetation, but I think I would have used some more low ground vegetation. The three shrubs you used seem to look exactly the same. Also, maybe its just my eye, but the three you can see in the first pic, one in the upper-left, one in lower-left, and one off to the side of the jeep, to me they look like they are almost in a perfect isosceles triangle.

As for the chicks in the dio, meh. I never built for anything but fun, and I don't see anything wrong with a diorama that is in good fun. However, considering your past comments in this particular forum regarding authenticity of scene and whatnot, well, I think you get my point. Sorry to drag this back into it, cuz as I said, I really could care less. I see nothing wrong with building for fun, but just kind of ironic considering the vehemence of your previous arguments.

zokissima wrote:

On the topic of the dio, I really like the jeep. There is enough stuff on it, and the painting techniques you used, namely what looks like pretty heavy drybrushing, is of a style that I really happen to like. It also gives it a somewhat 'weathered' appearance. As for the LAV, IMO it is way too clean. You clearly drybryshed the edges of the front hull armor, but the effect is not as apparent as you move down further on the vehicle. The tires are also way too clean, with nothing in the treads, typically something I think you would see in a desert setting... Also, I think for the size of the dio, you probably may have been better off using only one vehicle. Using the vehicles to sort of outline the 'action' in the scene is effective, but maybe just to my eye it looks a little cluttered, with a lot of dead space on the ground. You did use some vegetation, but I think I would have used some more low ground vegetation. The three shrubs you used seem to look exactly the same. Also, maybe its just my eye, but the three you can see in the first pic, one in the upper-left, one in lower-left, and one off to the side of the jeep, to me they look like they are almost in a perfect isosceles triangle. As for the chicks in the dio, meh. I never built for anything but fun, and I don't see anything wrong with a diorama that is in good fun. However, considering your past comments in this particular forum regarding authenticity of scene and whatnot, well, I think you get my point. Sorry to drag this back into it, cuz as I said, I really could care less. I see nothing wrong with building for fun, but just kind of ironic considering the vehemence of your previous arguments.

As far as being "authentic" or "accurate"...I think the title sorta sets the premise that this is my interpretation of of a co-ed army, so your arguement about my pointing out inaccuracies in other dios being "hypicritical" because of this one is invalid...

Thanks for the feedback...

Actually, I called it ironic, not "hypicritical". In any case, I'm just playing devils' advocate here by pointing out that your argument of 'your interpretation' could have just as equally been applied to some of those threads.

zokissima wrote:

Actually, I called it ironic, not "hypicritical". In any case, I'm just playing devils' advocate here by pointing out that your argument of 'your interpretation' could have just as equally been applied to some of those threads.

Manny..The MUTT looks great. Love all the items in it. I agree the dio is a little cluttered. The LAV just doesen't look right. If you took it out and added some desert shrubs might be better. Plus two figures and two vehicles does not work. But with him driving and her as the gunner...well. But thats just my opinion

The figures look greatespecially the wet look.

As for the comments...once again we have somewhat of a unrinary competition and we are not even a week past Christmas.

Everyone is entitled to his opinion. I agree we do this for fun and Manny has a great sense of humor. If you are on a semi-public forum and are looking for the prayer channel maybe you should change the station.

Personally Manny, I like your style. I guess that because I'm just a dirty old soldier

Rounds Complete!!

redleg12 wrote:

Personally Manny, I like your style. I guess that because I'm just a dirty old soldier Rounds Complete!!

Dirty old soldier, that you are sir!

What IYAAYAS first said is more what I was trying to get across. It seems most of your dios just plop a half naked girl somewhere to improve them. I mean to be honest your vehicles are almost always clean and fresh looking, your buildings are just kits you buy and paint and weather along with the streets and sidewalks. The groundwork in this dio is rough (literally) and just looks like Model R&R ballast, and I dont know if anyone else noticed but the bathtub appears to be floating on top of the rocks. I think it might get sunken down a bit with the guy and all the water in it.

There are aspects of the dio that no one really criticized until after I made a comment. I guess people realized they need to look at more than the scantily clad female. I know you said it was a first too, but still a lot of the dios you do have a something like this as a focal point and then the rest of it is bland, vanilla, nothing special. And for these you receive tons of high-fives and "Great jobs", when there are other builds and dios I've seen that are much better quality overall of an "average" subject getting hardly any attention.

I guess it just goes to show you what most typical men are really interested in.

And ya I like girls, I don't however need to dress them up (or in your case undress them) to enjoy them or have fun.

Deputy_Brad wrote:

What IYAAYAS first said is more what I was trying to get across. It seems most of your dios just plop a half naked girl somewhere to improve them. I mean to be honest your vehicles are almost always clean and fresh looking, your buildings are just kits you buy and paint and weather along with the streets and sidewalks. The groundwork in this dio is rough (literally) and just looks like Model R&R ballast, and I dont know if anyone else noticed but the bathtub appears to be floating on top of the rocks. I think it might get sunken down a bit with the guy and all the water in it. There are aspects of the dio that no one really criticized until after I made a comment. I guess people realized they need to look at more than the scantily clad female. I know you said it was a first too, but still a lot of the dios you do have a something like this as a focal point and then the rest of it is bland, vanilla, nothing special. And for these you receive tons of high-fives and "Great jobs", when there are other builds and dios I've seen that are much better quality overall of an "average" subject getting hardly any attention. I guess it just goes to show you what most typical men are really interested in. And ya I like girls, I don't however need to dress them up (or in your case undress them) to enjoy them or have fun.

...in your first post you praised my modeling skills (...you are a great modeller and have fantastic skills painting and modeling....) and now you belittle them, hmmmm...I couldn't care less what you think of my work because I don't value your opinion, at all...

I'm gonna replace the female fig in the dio with a male one in your honor and rename it "The Sheriff gives the Deputy a bath"...now, go run off to the moderators and demand I be banned...

...LMAO!!! ...Sometimes I just can't believe the stuff that goes on here...I mean really!

Brad...there are plenty of situations and causes in this world that really need attention...but getting your panties in a wad over a model of a chick in a dio? Really Brad? ...its just starting to look to me that...you might just have a little too much time on your hands.

I'm quite sure you are a great guy Brad and I mean no disrespect in my post and look forward to seeing some of your builds. I also think that there is room in this forum for levity and humor as well as the constant counting of the number of sprocket teeth on a particular version of tiger tank.

Just my

D-B,

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and I'll respect that. When I read your very first comment about this diorama, I kind of understood where you were coming from, but now I'm having a hard time understanding the situation. If Manny's dio is sub standard to what you are used to and you think his work is worthless, then you have choice of not to look at it.  That's as simple as that.  Just let it go. 

I'm still in learning phase of building dioramas and I've learned a lot from Manny and lots of good people in this forum. 

I dont even know what to say, Im pissed at Manny for taking it all as a big joke. I really dont care too much about online arguments because anyone can hide behind a computer screen, but when I get mocked and made fun of thats different. I think Im just about done with these forums. Ive seen enough name calling and immaturity on Model Maniacs threads (both ways) and stupid debates. Not only that but I've seen work posted get 2 comments in a week (mine included) and you post your little dios and get a whole page in a day. Jealous? Somewhat when many people put lots of work into their builds and post here and get hardly anything back.

Im sorry, I guess Im in the wrong for complaining about nudity and ludeness. I didnt know it was humourous to degrade women publically. And yes by a better builder and painter I meant it as a compliment, you are a way better builder than me. But there are way better ones on this forum than you who dont get much, if any credit. Often some get compared to you and the Doog (who I think really is quite a talented modeler).

Hey at least I can admit Im wrong. I wont be posting around here anymore, its a shame too because I've met a lot of nice people. But the bad kinda outweighs the good right now.

Hey Brad...I know how you feel I think. I have certain morals and beliefs that I don't like to see trample on or called into question. I just simply avoid that subject as opposed to trying to change the world 'cause it ain't gonna happen. ...And taking your bat and ball and goin' home ain't the way either.

The way I see it...and the way that I think that you can do the most good is to simply build a better model...a better dio than that of others. Thats what inspires me. Wanting to top the others here. Take their techiques and improve upon them. I leave everything else by the wayside and give it no concern. I can't change anyone's mind but my own so I don't try.

If you left you would simply be letting yourself down.

Stick around.

I'm late and have to go play a gig at a local club @ 10:00 but I felt like sticking around a couple more minutes to post this so its your fault that I'm late.

Best regards.

TJ.

Thanks a lot M1 and especially Toe Tanker. I get what your saying, and I wasn't really being very clear either and I admit I contradicted myself a bit. I knew what I meant but didn't exactly know how to say it. I dont mean to enforce anything on the forums. I just wanted to speak out once about this, since I've observed it a few times and just went on my way (like I should have here). Its my fault for stirring up trouble. And Im sorry to Manny if I insulted your work, even if you don't care about my opinion.

Im glad lots of you guys are understanding and patient, especially around a stressful time of year. As someone mentioned something about it earlier, how we act like this a week after Christmas. Well we should remember that just like not everyone enjoys Manny's work Christmas isn't exactly a super cheery, happy time for some people

Deputy Brad,

No one wants to see you leaving the forum.  Why does it bother you so much that some people's work only gets few comments?  I had things posted and only received a few comments at best, but my intention was never to show off my work or trying to generate how many replies I get on my work.   But we don't do our modeling for that.  We do it for our own satisfaction.  You have a talent and I wish I had half of your skills. 

You've mention something about Model Maniac.  I used to leave positive (TUK, A.I. and Joh for the most part did good work) but also left some feedbacks as to what could be done to make good dioramas to excellent dioramas.  His attitude towards to it was just "take it or leave it" and didn't take contructive criticism too well.  That's when I felt that he doesn't want to hear any thing but "Hey great work", so I stop bothering leaving any comments on his postings. 

On-line forum is just like any society.  You'll run into people who'll disagree with you and you'll meet people you learn to like. 

DB

I'm glad to see your last post and at least I understand that every day is not always a good day (I'm the one with the xmas statement). The holidays can be fun but can be a .

Hopefully you are better and I hope Manny is better. We all need to remember sometimes we are here for fun!!!

I understand your frustration in posting. It has happened to me where I only get one or two responses. I just chaulk it up to a bad day in cyber space. If I am happy, thats all that counts.

I still feel there is no difference between this forum and a bar with lots of conversations and many thoughts. The only drawback is there is no cold beer!!!

DB & Manny, hang in there, we all still love you guys!!

Rounds Complete!!