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"Warped" Celluclay

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  • Member since
    October 2007
  • From: Willow Oaks Compound / Model Bunker
Posted by razorboy on Friday, February 8, 2008 6:44 PM

I've been using Celluclay for over 20 years and have learned a little something along the way....I mix white glue in the celluclay mixture along with water based ground color...usually a medium brown or dirt color.  I tape (masking) the edge of the base and I go thicker around the edges with the mix because it will settle. 

Hope that helps, 

razorboy

  • Member since
    January 2007
Posted by the doog on Friday, February 8, 2008 5:27 PM
 PastaDNA wrote:
Thanks for the advice. Nice job on the Hetzer.
Thanks PastaDNA! Big Smile [:D]
  • Member since
    June 2007
  • From: Tinley Park, Il
Posted by PastaDNA on Friday, February 8, 2008 11:57 AM
I gorgot the white glue. Shame on me. Thanks for all the posts. Perhaps I can help a newie someday.
  • Member since
    June 2007
  • From: Tinley Park, Il
Posted by PastaDNA on Friday, February 8, 2008 11:55 AM
Thanks for the advice. Nice job on the Hetzer.
  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Massachusetts
Posted by ajlafleche on Friday, February 8, 2008 7:08 AM

I'm guessing it was too wet and lost too much of its volume as the water evaporated.

I always drill holes in my base to give the Celluclay more to bite into uless it's being layered over styrofoam which has some texture. I also add a good deal of white glue to0 the Celuclay along with cheap brown acrylic paint and railroad ballast and woody textured turf which I've had for years and seems to be oop. To this I add only as much water to get this mixtuire to the consistency of thick oatmeal. The layer is never more than a quarter inch thick.

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  • Member since
    July 2003
  • From: Perth, Western Australia
Posted by madmike on Thursday, February 7, 2008 11:57 PM

Doog's tutorial is excellent and convinced me to have a go with Celluclay.

Cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
  • Member since
    January 2007
Posted by the doog on Thursday, February 7, 2008 11:26 PM

This has been a recurrent theme/propblem for some people--it generally means that you have too much water in the stuff if it takes too long to dry.

If you type in "FINISHED! DML Hetzer figure & base tutorial" in the search feature here, you can see my Celluclay tutorial, which tells about how I do mine--I've only once ever had a problem with warpage. I use the glue on the base trick too; works like a charm!

  • Member since
    July 2003
  • From: Perth, Western Australia
Posted by madmike on Thursday, February 7, 2008 5:13 PM

Also, place the base under a clear plastic container to cure slowly and avoid or minimise cracking and warping issues . Both these issues can be exacerbated when the Celluclay cures to quickly.

I prop up an end of the upturned container with a bit of sprue to allow air circulation.

Try and avoid applying it too thickly as well. If you cover up your mixing bowl and put the bag/bowl in the fridge, it will not go off or cure. After the first layer cures you can then add another layer to bring the base up to the thickness you desire.

Cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
  • Member since
    September 2005
Posted by Kykeon on Thursday, February 7, 2008 3:35 PM

To solve your problem, most folks put down a layer of white glue onto the base before adding the celluclay, this forms a solid bond between the base and the celluclay once it dries. Adding some white glue to the celluclay when you mix it up works too. This should help prevent the cracking problem too.

This is just one of the reasons I quit using celluclay years ago and now make my dioramas out of styrofoam, plaster bandage and plaster of paris. Plus you don't have to wait forever for the plaster to dry, unlike celluclay, which can take weeks to dry if you apply it in too thick of a layer.

 

  • Member since
    June 2007
  • From: Tinley Park, Il
"Warped" Celluclay
Posted by PastaDNA on Thursday, February 7, 2008 3:19 PM

Hi Fellas,

I've been trying new materials and techniques and I had a problem recently with celluclay. The dio base is 5/8" plywood and sealed. I put celluclay on the plywood and after it dried I painted it with some earth tones before I started with the ground cover. After the paint dried I noticed the celluclay lifted from the ends of the plywood and it also cracked in the field. Should I have sealed the celluclay before painting and ground cover? Was the celluclay too wet? Dry? Thanks for your help.

 

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