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"Backhand Blow" *finished dio*
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 24, 2008 6:07 PM

After the encirclement and surrender of the German forces at Stalingrad, the entire Southern section of the Eastern front was in real danger of total collapse. The Russians pushed the Germans out of the Don basin, re-took Rostov and then Kharkov. Field Marshall Manstein was tasked with stabilizing the front and recapturing the vital city of Kharkov, the 4th largest in Russia. To do this, he utilized the 1st SS Panzer Korps under SS General Paul Hausser for the main armoured thrusts. The Germans counter-attacked and retook the city in February and March of 1943, inflicting heavy losses on the Soviets, and thus ensuring the SS their place in military history as one of the most effective fighting forces in modern times. This offense was the last major victory the Germans enjoyed for the duration of the war and has been often referred to as one of military history's finest examples of the use of mobile forces in retreat. It is studied at military academies and war colleges to this day. The battle stabilized the front and also set the stage for the Kursk battle the following summer. This victory earned the SS formations elite status in everyone's eyes. 

Here are some period pics of the battle:

Here is my interpretation in 35th scale. DML Mk IVG, Alpine, DML, Wolf, Platoon, VLS and Warrior figures:

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Posted by dostacos on Saturday, May 24, 2008 7:15 PM
wowThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Make a Toast [#toast]
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Posted by the doog on Saturday, May 24, 2008 7:16 PM

Welll, Manny, it's certainly one of your finest, if not the best I've seen from you!

The figures are alll top notch--that TC is the most menacing I have ever seen, bar none! The base is nicely done, and the tank is just gorgeous. You've done a fabulous job weathering it--this is a "first" for you, if I'm correct; this amount of weathering, I mean? It llooks great! The chipped paint and whitewash, and the suspension look particularly well done! Track look great--man, it all just looks superb! And the doog looks perfect! HEY DOOG!!! Tongue [:P]

About the only thing I can think of as critique would be the generally-"left-looking" poses of most of the figs, with only the two principles looking to the right. But I realize they could be pointing and looking toward what they'd come from...all in all, a minor point though.

SUPERB!!!!! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by biffa on Saturday, May 24, 2008 8:22 PM
Beautiful work, i love everything about it especially the way everything ties together, another work of art Manny the tank looks great the figures just beautiful. A definate winner Thumbs Up [tup] Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, May 24, 2008 8:52 PM

The only thing I don't like about it...

 

 

It's on your shelf... not mine.

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Posted by madmike on Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:13 PM

Wow!

Very impressive! 

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Posted by panzerguy on Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:15 PM

    Manny, well worth the waitBow [bow].

    The mark IV looks great. Can't decide if the tank complement's the figs or visa versa.Guess I'll just have to stare at the pic's some more. 

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:58 PM

Great job - easily your best a so far! I really like your weathering on the Panzer IV and your figure painting is getting better all the time. Lots of little touches that make it shine, like the maxim MG and the German Shepard. Definitely a dio to be proud of!

 

A few suggestions on your figures - as one who has judged the figure categories at IPMS shows, I can say that while they would get you a gold or silver in dioramas, they'd probably be barely a bronze if entered in the figures category. You are a very good figure painter already, so don't think I'm just trying to smash you or anything. I mean it as constructive criticism Smile [:)]

I would use more actual shading and fewer washes, the wash effect is too rough to be used for shading. It seems you outline a lot of things, even clothing seams, and while I'm glad you don't miss outlining like many figure painters, dark brown or black can't be used everywhere. You should outline in darker versions of the base color and make your outlining mix thinner so it doesn't have quite such a hard edge.

Most of your shading effects are good, however the blending could be smoother - it looks a bit rough. Your painting style is exactly what I do and what I'd teach for 1/48 scale, but the shading should be smoother in 1/35, especially the faces. I don't know whether you use enamels or oils for shading, but either way, you could improve your quality a lot by taking a bit more time with the shading.

Finally, a tip for next time - when you paint figures for a winter dio you should use a significantly paler skin tone and make the pink on the cheeks and nose more prominent. This is the major step to making the viewer actually feel the cold, by making the figures look cold, not just bundled up.

 

Again, this is a great dio, the best I've seen on this forum so far this year. I wouldn't offer this kind of criticism to most modelers, but you're already to a level where I don't have to worry about scaring a novice away. Beautiful work, can't wait to see the next one! Bow [bow]

Jonathan

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Posted by Mobious on Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:20 PM

 Hi,

 Very nice. Nice to see a researched project thoughtfully executed. Well done, and many thanks for posting your work.

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Posted by Nick Nasta on Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:29 PM
Great overall piece of artwork!

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Posted by stick man on Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:31 AM

WWOOWW!! Thats GGRRRRRREEEEAAAAATTT!!!

It's just... WoW I'm just I'M just I'm speechless.

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Posted by Sherman_Modeler on Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:48 AM

Nice work...

Just a question, why is all the "action" situated in the back...it leaves me with a tilted feeling for the dio...like all the "weight" of the dio is tilting it towards the back.  It seems like such a shame to have fantastic figures and tank overwhelmed by poor layout planning...hopefully it's not to late and the layout can be adjusted. 

 

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Posted by Huxy on Sunday, May 25, 2008 6:32 AM

I would say there's notihing in front, and in the back is an entire SS column. I would indeed look backwards Smile [:)]

 And the diorama looks absolutely great! almost no faults anywhere..  However I see some mouldlines on the Sheperds front legs..  But wow, the diorama is awsome!!!

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Posted by pordoi on Sunday, May 25, 2008 9:39 AM
Very nice, Manny. For me, the figures are the focus here and the tank is secondary (and a very well done secondary element at that!).  At least that's where my attention was focused when I first viewed it.  I keep execting that guy with the newspaper in the first photo to walk in, set himself down on the tank and light a smoke.  Excellent dio.  Make a Toast [#toast]
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Posted by ajlafleche on Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:09 AM

Hermes addressed the shading and skin tone nicely. The only other thing that looks a bit off to me is that the sculpting on the guy with the earmuffed hat on the left suggests a pretty strong wind. None of the rest of the clothing or posing shows the effect of the wind.

I like this other wise and you did a really nice job on the dog.

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Posted by SteveM on Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:12 AM

Nice groundwork, especially for winter. Mk III looks awesome, I'd like some more detail shots of it. Uniforms on every figure impeccable, but I agree with Herme regarding the skin tones.

All in all, I'm left struggling to find a primary focal point. The composition isn't really drawing my eye to anything in particular, saying "HEY! LOOK HERE FIRST!". Not the absolute worst thing that can happen in a dio, for me. But, if someone were snapping a picture of this scene, what would have made them think, "I've got to get a picture of this"?

Perhaps something in the center foreground that suggests what just took place, that compliments the russian gun (Maxim? I forget). There's not much telling the story or helping the viewer with the setting. I think you could stew on this for a few seconds, and then pull something totally fitting from the spares dept., that would take this dio to that next level.

Just my HO... nice work. 

 

 

Steve M.

On the workbench: ginormous Kharkov dio

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 25, 2008 2:08 PM

Thanks for all the comments and/or suggestions, guys!

DOOG, thanks---it was, as you pointed out, a little of a stretch for me to go to the degree of weathering that I did on this one but felt that the scene really called for it due to the conditions it was portraying. I actually like the way it turned out so who knows what my next tank will look like...lol...The composition of the finished elements is always the toughest part, especially when you are working with so many figs in one scene (10 plus the dog in this case)...There are many figs that turned out well enough to rate as a "focal-point" fig, which complicated matters more. Being as much a military historian as I am a military modeler, I was trying to convery a few things with the composition that may explain some of my choices: The battle of Kharkov was VERY fluid, much like those battles fought in North Africa, with armored columns thrusting deep into enemy lines and often by-passing strong points for the infantry to deal with later. There weren't the well-defined front lines that many of us think about during much of this battle. In that sense the soldier pointing somewhat to the rear/side could either be describing the recent action that took place by pointing out his unit's axis of advance, or he could even be pointing to other by-passed Soviet strongpoints. In any event, I think he also helps balance the other front figs and tank barrel which are all posed to the "front" of the dio...In addition, the two figs on the tank are also looking to the front, so in my mind it does offer a little balance...thanks for the feedback, man!

BIFFA, thanks...I have been wanting to do this one a looooong time !!!

HERMES, thanks for the good feedback on the figgie painting. I am always trying to improve on my skills and since I have been a member of the Forum for just over a year I think I have learned a lot from you guys. I do feel that I am a better figure paiinter than I was a year ago. My goal is to learn something new on each one of these and you helped me to do that with this one.

AJLAFLECHE, in all my years of modeling and competing, I must say that I have NEVER heard of "wind" brought up as criticism relating to a dio, but hey--I take it as a compliment if that's your major point. However, if you look closely, you will also see that the guy w/ the long tan coat also has the right flap of his coat "blowing" in the same direction as the cap you pointed out...also the soldier next to him seems to have his MP40 strap blowing in the wind that way as well. Also, note that the German Shephard has his tail down, something they do when the wind is at their back...Big Smile [:D]

STEVEM, thanks for looking.  I realize this dio is FAR from perfect---that's why we all usually have a next project always lined-up. The composition, as I mentioned earler, is always a tough call, especially when you are working with snow, as that makes "practice positioning" difficult. I must say that after studying the pics I might go back and move the man with the long coat, soldier pointing and dog forward and slightly to the right. I think this will do two things: eliminate the slight clutter at the front of the tank as far as figs go, and be the first group of figs the viewer sees, which hopefully will then begin a left-to-right scan of the rest of the dio. It will also fill in a little of the "white" area up front, which was purposely left somewhat stark to press home the winter conditions. I usually don't like leaving a lot of empty spaces in my dios but felt the snow and stark terrain were part of the story. I also would have liked to have received my new MINIART Russian 76.2mm field gun BEFORE the ground had set up, as I would have most likely replaced the maxim with it since it does have more of a visual footprint. I did build a Russian casualty that I modified from a YANK GI casualty, but thought that the "shock" effect of that in the very front of the dio in the hasty dugout would have been too much of a distraction...

Also, thanks to DOSTACOS, WINGNUT, PANZERGUY, MOBIOUS, STICKMAN, PORDOI and HUXY (did I leave anyone out???) for looking in and commenting.

 

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Posted by SteveM on Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:08 PM
 Mansteins revenge wrote:

I did build a Russian casualty that I modified from a YANK GI casualty, but thought that the "shock" effect of that in the very front of the dio in the hasty dugout would have been too much of a distraction...

I respectfully disagree; in fact, I think that's exactly what the dio could use. I see placing a Russian casualty front and center, perhaps having cleared the dugout but not by much (to get him out of stage left and into center stage), is an excellent idea. I think that might do four things: 1) grab the viewer by the eyeball, and in by doing so... 2) give a clearer suggestion to the victory and the 3) indifferrence of the soldiers around him responsible (with none of them looking over him except, perhaps, the doog?). 4) support the placing of the Germans in an almost half-circle aruond him. I don't think you'd have to change the positioning of the figures at all. Smile [:)]

Kind of a "jaded" angle that attracts me... like old war photos that you see of bodies on the ground with casual action all around. More powerful than gruesome.

I think it's actually pretty close to perfect, which is why I chimed in when I did. 

 

 

Steve M.

On the workbench: ginormous Kharkov dio

 

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Posted by Huxy on Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:42 PM
 SteveM wrote:
 Mansteins revenge wrote:

I did build a Russian casualty that I modified from a YANK GI casualty, but thought that the "shock" effect of that in the very front of the dio in the hasty dugout would have been too much of a distraction...

I respectfully disagree; in fact, I think that's exactly what the dio could use. I see placing a Russian casualty front and center, perhaps having cleared the dugout but not by much (to get him out of stage left and into center stage), is an excellent idea. I think that might do four things: 1) grab the viewer by the eyeball, and in by doing so... 2) give a clearer suggestion to the victory and the 3) indifferrence of the soldiers around him responsible (with none of them looking over him except, perhaps, the doog?). 4) support the placing of the Germans in an almost half-circle aruond him. I don't think you'd have to change the positioning of the figures at all. Smile [:)]

Kind of a "jaded" angle that attracts me... like old war photos that you see of bodies on the ground with casual action all around. More powerful than gruesome.

I think it's actually pretty close to perfect, which is why I chimed in when I did. 

 

 

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Posted by Rob on Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:47 PM

well, not much left to say. all i can say is great job, and worth the effort you put into it.

hope one day.. i'll master the skills just as good.. of mayby half as good Cool [8D]

keep em coming

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, May 25, 2008 9:15 PM

Manny

Absolutly amazing. The ground work is great. your figures are excellent. Especially the doog...I mean dog Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] The whole scene works.

One comment...or opinion...with snow on the ground a tank of that weight would tare up the ground bit. The tracks...and maybe it's the photo, look a little clean...but who cares.

It looks great...worth the wait. It's your best in a while...and to think, no woman in it Shock [:O]

It's always a pleasure to follow you builds.

Rounds Complete!! 

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Posted by wyoroy on Sunday, May 25, 2008 9:30 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Leo on Monday, May 26, 2008 12:27 AM
Very nice dio!! The painting is fantastic!
Best regards, Leo
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 26, 2008 9:11 AM
 Huxy wrote:

I would say there's notihing in front, and in the back is an entire SS column. I would indeed look backwards Smile [:)]

 And the diorama looks absolutely great! almost no faults anywhere..  However I see some mouldlines on the Sheperds front legs..  But wow, the diorama is awsome!!!

Thanks, Huxy...I too, noticed the seams on the dog's legs after I took the pics !!! When I put it together I remember scouring it for seam lines, etc. but somehow missed it with the naked eye...oh well...appreciate your looking and the kind words...

Thanks, REDLEG, WYOROY and LEO !!!

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Posted by Huxy on Monday, May 26, 2008 10:33 AM
Manstein's revenge wrote:

Thanks, Huxy...I too, noticed the seams on the dog's legs after I took the pics !!! When I put it together I remember scouring it for seam lines, etc. but somehow missed it with the naked eye...oh well...appreciate your looking and the kind words...

Thanks, REDLEG, WYOROY and LEO !!!

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mmmyea...  Taking pictures of things relievs the nasty things of models...   I'm also much into making dioramas, though never completed a single one.. Well, I got alot to learn. Just 16 and my "real" modeler life started just 8 months ago.. :)

Oh, how quickly does it take for Celluclay to dry? 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 26, 2008 12:18 PM
 Huxy wrote:
Manstein's revenge wrote:

Thanks, Huxy...I too, noticed the seams on the dog's legs after I took the pics !!! When I put it together I remember scouring it for seam lines, etc. but somehow missed it with the naked eye...oh well...appreciate your looking and the kind words...

Thanks, REDLEG, WYOROY and LEO !!!

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mmmyea...  Taking pictures of things relievs the nasty things of models...   I'm also much into making dioramas, though never completed a single one.. Well, I got alot to learn. Just 16 and my "real" modeler life started just 8 months ago.. :)

Oh, how quickly does it take for Celluclay to dry? 

Celleclay drying times vary (how's that for a dodge?--lol)...but in my experience it ususally fully cures within 3-5 days, depending on what else you put in the mixture, humidity, temp, how thick your layer is, etc. Best to use another medium to add contours to your base so you don't have to add too thick of layers to create them (such as styrofoam, etc...I always add liberal amounts of white glue into my mixture to help minimize shrinkage and cracking (learned that from a book on dios)...I also usually add some acrylic paint to the mix in the shade that I want the ground to look like, although the color usually comes out much lighter than you would expect once it cures... 
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Posted by bufflehead on Monday, May 26, 2008 8:34 PM

Manny, I was wondering if you'd finished your Dragon Pz. IV Kharkov so I decided to check on this dio.   WOW!  What a great looking dio!  The Pz. IV Ausf G is perfect!  I'm not surprised you built it as an LAH with whitewash, but am totally shocked by the weathering!  I'm used to seeing your very clean builds!  Excellent whitewash and weathering!Thumbs Up [tup]  All the figures are super top notch...you're getting better and better with each dio!!  The ground looks fantastic, that's the look I want for my little vignette with my Winter Warriors Ausf G! 

If I have one little critique its the same as SteveM:  Everytime I look at the wide shots of the dio I keep thinking, "What's going on here with these guys?"  Adding the background story with the photos does help though.  Its a minor quirk and I don't think this little problem detracts from an otherwise excellent dio!  You already explained some of your thought processes and they make sense to me! 

Soooooo....whats the next dio Herr Field Marschall?? 

Ernest

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Posted by spiralcity on Monday, May 26, 2008 9:02 PM
I read the entire post and I have to say "I like it as is". I think you did a fine job and I wouldnt change a thing.

 

 

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Posted by vespa boy on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:12 AM

The groundcover is nice and simple. I like the footprints and the variety of the snow coverage. The weathering on the Pz IV is very nice, especially the chipping of the paint. Its a nice posed piece that shows off the figures and vehicle.

 

I can't wait for you to do an urban scene and focus on the building and street as much as you do on the vehicle and figures.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:43 AM

Thanks, Bufflehead, Spiralcity and Vespa...

As for my next project...hmmmmm...I have actually begun work on it and will post some pics once I get a little further into it...

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