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Problems with static grass
Posted by modelfreaks on Monday, July 28, 2008 3:39 PM

Hey everybody quick question. Whenever i am building a diorama i use static grass for the grass. I've read about using it in Sheperd Paine's ( I believe thats his name) diorama book. It says to spread white glue to stick it onto the base. However for me, when it dries, i can rub my finger around on the grass and it will come off in little amounts. Is this normal or am i doing something wrong with the glue?

Thanks,

Brandon

-Brandon When something alines itself with something else, BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN.
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, July 28, 2008 3:46 PM
I lock the stuff down after it dries with a few oversprays of clear flat...     

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Posted by the doog on Monday, July 28, 2008 6:33 PM
 modelfreaks wrote:

Hey everybody quick question. Whenever i am building a diorama i use static grass for the grass. I've read about using it in Sheperd Paine's ( I believe thats his name) diorama book. It says to spread white glue to stick it onto the base. However for me, when it dries, i can rub my finger around on the grass and it will come off in little amounts. Is this normal or am i doing something wrong with the glue?

Thanks,

Brandon

No Brandon--you're actually doing something wrong with your finger!  Whistling [:-^] (You're not supposed to rub it around!!!)

Static grass--or any kind of grass powder--can be applied over WHite glue (ELmer's), ober paint, or over clear acrylic. It sticks to just about anything sticky.

After you put it down, make sure you let it dry well, and then like Hans said, spray over it with some clear flat, like Dullcoat.

Then, if you want even MORE depth to it, sprinkle more grass powder over THAT; this is usually how I do it. After it's done, turn your dio over, and tap the cack of it to shake loose whatever loose powder is left, and then you can shade it with an airbrush--putting different colors and shades of tan and greens in it makes it look a lot more realistic. Just one color alone usually doesn't look real.  

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Posted by modelfreaks on Monday, July 28, 2008 7:40 PM
Thanks for the tips. I've never thought of using a flat coat. I guess i could of thought of not using my finger though! Big Smile [:D]Oops [oops] 
-Brandon When something alines itself with something else, BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN.
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Posted by Foster7155 on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:57 AM

You've gotten some good advice above. I've also found that diluting the white glue with some water seems to work better. The surface tension of pure white glue really doesn't allow the static grass to get down into it. By adding a little water (anywhere between 70/30 glue to water to as thin as 50/50), you'll do two things. You'll reduce the surface tension and you'll increase capillary action. This will allow the glue to "flow" around the individual pieces of static grass and hold a bit better. Bear in mind, with the added water, the drying time will increase and I typically wait at least 12 hours before doing anything else with the surface.

Hope this helps...

Robert Foster

Pensacola Modeleers

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:33 AM
Here's what I do...I sprinkle it over my still-wet celluclay base and blow off the excess...or use a small car vacuum to suck of the excess...this also helps it to "stand" up...it does waste some but the results work for me...same technique w/ snow...
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:30 PM
Regarding the glue/water mix, be sure to add a few drops of dish soap to the mix.  The soap works as a wetting agent and breaks the tension of the water/glue, allowing it to flow and soak in much better...  (It's an old model railroader trick for glueing down track ballast and such.)

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Posted by modelfreaks on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:05 PM

Thanks for the tips with the glue. Combining all of these should work really well.

 

-Brandon When something alines itself with something else, BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN.
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Posted by fantacmet on Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:20 PM
You can also use a thinned white glue and water mixture(with some dish soap or isopropyl alcohol), to help lock it down after it's been glued with the regular static grass.

    

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 1, 2008 9:13 AM
Here's what I can achieve w/ static grass using the techniques I described earlier in this thread::
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