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Posted by Shipwreck on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 2:57 PM

I think we need to understand that what generally is, what should be, and what is may be three different scenarios. Suppose a P-51B comes off the assembly line with unpainted wheel wells. After a year of service, it is discovered that the various grades of aluminum are interacting and causing corrosion. So they spray it with a zinc chromate (maybe yellow, maybe green depends on what is on hand). What color wheel wells does that P-51B have? Well, it depends on when you are looking at it! But our best understanding is that they should be Aluminum. But, that does not make our favorite brand P-51B model with zinc yellow chromate wheel wells wrong!  I want to thank everyone for their insight and contributions on this question.

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Posted by Texgunner on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 4:15 PM

TacoSalad

On a side note I'd say not to be so obsessive about 100% accuracy and use some artistic license. The hobby is being ruined by the rivet counters who run new builders away from forums with their BS obsessiveness. There is itching wrong with personally wanting to be accurate, but the shunning of those who choose not to be is another story

^^^this!


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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 4:15 PM

I'd say that about covers it. Factory fresh- Aluminum, one that has been in service , field applied lacquer or zinc chromate, tinted or not...

 

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Posted by JCB8116 on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 6:40 PM
Bare metal or yellow zinc chromate. Just look at period photos of the aircraft your mideling
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Posted by JCB8116 on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 6:41 PM
Modeling. US aircraft varied alot when it comes to interior colors and wheel wells
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Posted by Bronto on Thursday, July 18, 2013 7:57 AM

TacoSalad

On a side note I'd say not to be so obsessive about 100% accuracy and use some artistic license. The hobby is being ruined by the rivet counters who run new builders away from forums with their BS obsessiveness. There is itching wrong with personally wanting to be accurate, but the shunning of those who choose not to be is another story

Not another one of these "your ruining the hobby" posts.  The hobby is NOT being ruined by "rivet counters".  The hobby is being IMPROVED by them.  If it weren't for those evil rivet counters, kits would still have the accuracy of Aurora and Hawk kits of the 60's (yes I am old enough to remember when that is all we had to go with).  How does a discussion on colors ( a non-personal, non-confrontational one at that) run new builders away?  No one anywhere in this thread said "don't paint your model this color it is wrong and you are a terrible builder" or anything like that.  No one is shunning anyone away from the forum or the hobby.  A person ASKED for advice on the color of something.  Several different opinions were posted.  The OP now has a wealth of information for make his own decision on how he wants to paint his model.  Isn't this what a DISCUSSION board is for?  To DISCUSS the aspects of models?  Or would you rather the Forums here be like a couple others out there that are just "good job- greatest model I've ever seen" type ego-boosting useless messages?

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:00 AM

I think that the hobby gets both from the "rivit counters". Yes, the quest for more detail and improved accuracy from modelers has lifted kits to the degree that they are today. But we have also seen, either here or on other forums, where the "hexperten" has come down on a newbie like a ton of bricks over a color choice, or some other faux paus. And then the new guy disappears, turned off by the response. It's all in the delivery of the message. Yes, this time we had a good civil discussion that put out lots of information enabling anyone who read all of it to take the information given, make a decision, and have some factual basis for their choice. This time it was done well.

 

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Posted by Texgunner on Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:03 AM

Well said Stik!  Thanks!!  Yes

Gary


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Posted by TacoSalad on Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:28 AM

Stick said exactly what I was going to respond with. Like I said, there is nothing wrong with you or anyone wanting exacting accuracy. The OP of this thread asked because he wants that accuracy, so I see nothing wrong with it. However, I've seen plenty of newbies at other forums run off by people making ridiculous comments about color, or not moving a panel line that was 2mm off on a kit, or not fixing some other perceived "inaccuracy." And its alway seems to be prefaced or followed up with "just pointing it out in case you wanted to know ." You know...as if the person is trying to be friendly and offer some education when in fact it's more along the lines of "I get personal satisfaction by flaunting my supposed expertise and tearing your efforts down." But you go ahead and believe what you will.

I can't speak for how others use the term "rivet counter." For me it's a derogatory term for people who offer their "expert" opinions about accuracy when they haven't been solicited. If someone (like the OP) is asking for info then the term doesn't apply IMO.

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Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:43 AM

This discussion has brought to mind something that I have encountered over the years as a minister. When trying to teach the flock some great truth of the Scriptures there is one obstacle that always shows itself. It is "I believe what I believe; do not confuse me with the facts." You know, it is all in the presentation! I am thankful for the so-called rivet counters; I do not have the patience or vision to count them anymore.

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Posted by mikeymize on Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:20 PM

You're response was right on the money Stik. Informative and helpful. Nuff said.

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Posted by constructor on Friday, July 19, 2013 8:28 PM

Thank you all for the very lively discussion regarding the wheel covers of a P-51D. I am not a rivet counter nor am I a stickler for accuracy. In fact if a like a certain model no matter what I read about it (except bad fit) I will go for it. I was just confused when the instruction gave me aluminium color for the wheel covers but references say otherwise. So thank you all for your guidance.

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Posted by p51mustang on Friday, July 19, 2013 11:06 PM

hear, hear!!  this hobby is supposed to be fun, I build 'em to the best of my ability, if mine look as good or better than the kits on the box then that's ok by me

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Posted by p51mustang on Friday, July 19, 2013 11:19 PM

nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!! rivet counters suk!!  glue, paint, & be merry!!! i'm outta here, I've got a spitfire and buffalo with my name on them! (and i'm NOT, I say again NOT!! counting any rivets or obsess about the perfect color of olive drab! obsession is a baaaaaddd thing! put down the paint chip chart, and take two steps back slowly) later peeps!

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Posted by seasick on Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:08 AM

I asked a friend on another board about it (He is a WW2 vet and was a mechanic) and he doesn't remember. He will think about it. Any time a plane was fixed it was painted if they had time. The paint is whatever they had.

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Posted by constructor on Saturday, July 20, 2013 6:21 PM

That should actually be our attitude.

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Posted by f8sader on Sunday, July 21, 2013 1:56 PM

Could we incorporate a little box at the bottom of the screen which would indicate "for fun", and maybe "contest entrant" so we could all judge accordingly.  My judgment is base on whether someone actually builds the kit rather than just moves them from one storage location to another!  (I'm getting really good at that!)

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, July 21, 2013 4:36 PM

you and me both ;-) But I am slowly making headway on my stash...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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