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P-51 canopy types and the 1/48 Tamiya kit - differences?

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P-51 canopy types and the 1/48 Tamiya kit - differences?
Posted by dirkpitt77 on Monday, August 5, 2013 3:44 PM

  Hey guys,

    Building the 1/48 Tamiya Tuskegee Mustang kit. I understand from research that later versions of the Mustang got a new version canopy to maximize visibility. There are two canopies in the Tamiya kit, but when I put them side-by-side, I see no difference between the two. Am I missing something?  Hmm

Chris

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Posted by Bronto on Monday, August 5, 2013 6:55 PM

One of the canopies is the "Dallas" canopy.  The rear "bubble" part should be slightly higher than then standard one.

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Posted by rangerj on Monday, August 5, 2013 8:32 PM

There are a few differences in the P-51s manufactured in Dallas TX. This was due mostly to the different OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) suppliers and availability, e.g. the canopy and the propeller.

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Monday, August 5, 2013 8:58 PM

Well, if the kit parts are different, I sure can't tell. I don't have 'em off the sprue yet, so I guess we'll see.

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Monday, August 5, 2013 9:14 PM

It doesn't mean diddely- just pick any one and go for it!

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by bvallot on Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:43 PM

I'm working on one right now too Chris and thought the same damn thing.  I'm glad it's not just me.  Maybe I just wasn't looking hard enough because it wasn't an obvious enough difference...but it sure looks the same to me.  I'll certainly be double-checking but I would just stick with whatever the build happened to call for.  =]

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Posted by MAgather on Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:04 AM

My recollection is that the Dallas canopy doesn''t strart sloping down to the rear of the frame as quickly as the more common canopy.  Look at how far it remains 'parallel' with the spine of the a/c and that will probably be the only distinguising characteristc.  

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:50 PM

Well, I went with Cadet Chuck's suggestion and just slapped one on. It's amazing what you can accomplish if you stop giving a crap. LOL

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Posted by leemitcheltree on Wednesday, August 7, 2013 5:15 PM

If you look at the canopies from the side view, you'll notice that the aft end of 1 canopy sits a little higher at the rear.  That's known as the "Dallas" canopy.  Do a Google search and you'll see what I mean.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, August 7, 2013 8:01 PM

Actually the Tamiya canopy(s) are cumbersome and inaccurate  I usually replace it with a Squadron vacuform or steal a Hasgawa one from the stash (which also comes with 2).  Just my 2 cents...

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Posted by bvallot on Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:48 PM

Here's a picture of what they're talking about.  The regular Inglewood canopy is the blue line.  The Dallas canopy is in black.


081p51 by brittvallot, on Flickr

So I guess you just have to do your homework if you're looking to make it count.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, August 9, 2013 1:25 AM

bvallot

Here's a picture of what they're talking about.  The regular Inglewood canopy is the blue line.  The Dallas canopy is in black.


081p51 by brittvallot, on Flickr

So I guess you just have to do your homework if you're looking to make it count.

This drawing is one I did for my website.  It's fun to see it appearing as a reference and I think it is a good representation and is based on North American drawings.  There are more differences in front view, the Dallas canopy was free blown and bulged out more on the sides than the Inglewood canopy, which was made by a different process.  Here is a link to my P-51 page, which also has photos of airplanes with the different canopies from angles that I think help distinguish them: 

http://www.yolo.net/~jeaton/Propplanes/p51/p51.htm

John

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Posted by bvallot on Friday, August 9, 2013 1:34 AM

Ha! Nice!  Yeah, I happened to just stop and look for some kind of diagram or actual comparison of the two and came across this.  Perfect example and simple to see.

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Posted by DUSTER on Wednesday, September 4, 2013 7:19 PM

Very nice link to the P-51,  good job

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Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, September 5, 2013 10:21 AM

I am working on several P-51 B,C,&D's. My research indicates that both canopies fit the D aircraft. Regardless of what canopy was on the plane when it left the factory; in the field, when a replacement was needed the type canopy used was determined on what type of canopy was available. So at any given time, any P-51D could have either canopy. Without a discernible reference both are right!

BTW, there is a difference in the Tamiya 1/48 P-51 D canopies; but, it probably would not be noticeable once mounted on a model.

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Posted by Jimcurry64 on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 9:59 AM

dirkpitt77

  Hey guys,

 

    Building the 1/48 Tamiya Tuskegee Mustang kit. I understand from research that later versions of the Mustang got a new version canopy to maximize visibility. There are two canopies in the Tamiya kit, but when I put them side-by-side, I see no difference between the two. Am I missing something?  Hmm

 

Chris

 

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