SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

Different colored panels

2565 views
14 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    September 2012
  • From: Indianapolis
Posted by Squatch88 on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:21 PM

Thanks a ton guys. Greatly appreciate it. I'll get started here in the next couple weeks or so. I'd like to get started earlier but the girlfriend is moving in and I don't want the model getting smashed by a moving box. I'll start a build thread soon enough

  • Member since
    February 2012
  • From: Olmsted Township, Ohio
Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:10 PM

Here's my N Squatch.  There's a tutorial in there on how I used Alclad.   

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/151736.aspx?sort=ASC&pi240=1

Joe

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

  • Member since
    April 2010
Posted by Theuns on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:09 AM

You are correct Don, they were seam filled and painted with silver lacure to preserve the crytical laminar flow airfoil for fuel economy on the long range escort sorties.

Lateron the putty started to be stripped and the bare matal finish came though on the wings as I understand it.

Theuns

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:25 AM

I have been under the impression that NMF Mustangs originally were done with wings painted silver, though that was sometimes stripped in field.

Best way to figure out which panel is which color is to look at prototypes, either by picture or finding one in your area at museum or whatever.  

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

  • Member since
    April 2010
Posted by Theuns on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:41 AM

It is all just practice, no majic with alclad :-)

I also do an ink wash to highlight the pannel detail, ot brings them out nicely.

I will go google as many pix of a plane as I can get to see if there are any specific pannels that look different , that's it.

Theuns

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by Jay Jay on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:20 AM

Squatch88

Do Theuns technique,it looks waaay better...I will too next time .

 

 

 

 

 

 I'm finally retired. Now time I got, money I don't.

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by Jay Jay on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 7:56 AM

"That certainly works for me! Did you just pick random panels to change colors or was there a reason"

I just picked random panels in what I thought looked good as an experiment.  I should have done more research.

 

 

 

 

 

 I'm finally retired. Now time I got, money I don't.

  • Member since
    April 2010
Posted by Theuns on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 7:37 AM

IIRC the pannel around the exhaust on the P-51 was stainles steel and that is why it will diss-color differently to the allu cowls.

Alclad sheetmetal has a grain direction as it comes off the mill. The rule of thumb is that you want to bend metal accross the grain, therefore you might have bent pannels with the grain running in different direction to others.

This grain plays with the light falling on it if you look at it from different angles, that is why pollished planed look a whole lot more "uniform" in texture.

Remember that when allu is in short supply they sometimes used magnesium alloys aswell.

It is also true that different alloys are used to make different hardness of alclad sheets, this will also have a different look to the sheet.

When alclad weathers it becomes slightly dull and gets a grey look to it.

Here is my 1/32 J-6 . I used only dark alluminium and airframe alluminium over a gloss black base to give it some depth. I am also a cheap skate and don't buy many different alclads. The more coats you put on the lighter it gets. I sometimes put on a few coats of say airframe allu, then mask of some pannels and shoot some more of the same alclad on, this gives a nice tone difference yet is subtle.

Protect the alclad after decals are on with ONLY alclad's range of clearcoats, they do not take away from the alclad look.

Hope it helps

  • Member since
    May 2004
  • From: Aberdeen, Scotland
Posted by Colin Russell on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 4:32 AM

The difference in the panel shades is all down to the thickness of the actual metal on the plane.  Gun bay covers, undercarriage doors and any small opening panels are thinner on the real aircraft than the rest of the airframe, and in fact may well be made from a different material. Engine cowlings and other panels which are regularly removed for servicing have to be lighter in weight.  It pays to research colour photos of the aircraft being modelled to look for these differences.  Any panels which have been replaced in service will also have a different hue as they have not weathered at the same rate as the rest of the airframe.  I hope this helps explain the different shades.

Colin Russell

  • Member since
    January 2015
Posted by BrandonD on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:42 AM

Following this because I have the same question. I know on a P-51 that the panels behind the exhaust are different and the wings are duraluminum, but I don't know if some panels weathered differently across all planes or if each was different or if that's even a real thing, haha.

I will say that the P-47 posted looks great!

-BD-

  • Member since
    June 2012
Posted by Compressorman on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:00 PM

JayJay,

Nice idea! And nice finish.

Chris

  • Member since
    September 2012
  • From: Indianapolis
Posted by Squatch88 on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:19 PM

The kit is going to be a 1/72 Hasegawa P-47. I got the detail set to go with it, I was wanting the 1/48 but couldn't find any gun bay kits that were within price range. (The plane kits were ~$60 and the AM sets were ~$30) Has anyone built this kit/am set? I usually do 1/48 so 1/72 will be a tad smaller for my pudgy fingers!

  • Member since
    September 2012
  • From: Indianapolis
Posted by Squatch88 on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:53 PM

That certainly works for me! Did you just pick random panels to change colors or was there a reason?

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by Jay Jay on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 2:48 PM

Squatch,  I've done only a few Alclad projects so I'm no expert, but I am cheap so here's how I handled the different shades without having to buy a ton of Alclad  .  I basically shot my P-47 with the obligatory gloss Black.   After that dried I went back and masked some panels and shot some with flat black, and some with grey primer...voila, the same polshed aluminum shade of Alclad came out like this

 

 

 

 

 

 I'm finally retired. Now time I got, money I don't.

  • Member since
    September 2012
  • From: Indianapolis
Different colored panels
Posted by Squatch88 on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:49 PM

I am starting to get the necessary paints to build a P-47N. I am going to have the gun bays open and perhaps the cowling off. My first true diorama scene. In looking at a ton of pictures for reference, with a lot of variances. How do you know which panels to make a different shade of metal? I see flat aluminum, aircraft aluminum, white aluminum, Ron Burgundy aluminum. So is it just personal preference or is there a method to the madness?  

Also, I have the 1/48 Revell kit, if you know of any good after market kits/sets to make it awesome let me know which ones!

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.