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Yet another 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 (completed)

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Thursday, November 9, 2017 4:12 PM

Good question. I'm pretty sure they're by Vector and probably from Sprue Bros:

http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/vecvds48030.htm

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Posted by ManCityFan on Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:17 PM

Hey J,

I went through the thread again, and I can't seem to find which resin wheel upgrade you used.  Do you remember which one and where you got it?  There is a good chance I will want to get it.

Thanks much,

D

 

Dwayne or Dman or just D.  All comments are welcome on my builds. 

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Thursday, November 9, 2017 1:44 PM

Joe, thanks so much, my friend! I really appreciate all the encouragement you gave me along the way. That really helped sustain me through the various misteps and reversals.

And thanks Greatmaker, much appreciated. 

-J

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Posted by Greatmaker on Thursday, November 9, 2017 10:30 AM

That's an amazing wildcat!  Thanks for taking us along for the ride.

 

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Posted by JOE RIX on Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:15 PM

I'm so glad to see that you managed to finish you fantasic Wildcat. It truly is a remarkable example of your skills, patience and perseverence. All of your efforts and trials have paid off in spades. I do hope you are very proud of the work you have done because you darn well should be. Your Wildcat is indeed immensely maevelous. Thank You so much for the journey.

Cheers, Joe

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:11 PM

Thanks Gamera!

-J

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:10 PM

ManCityFan

That Wildcat is fantastic.  I will be starting my own Tamiya Wildcat shortly.

Thanks a lot for setting the bar so dCensored high.  Stick out tongue  Going to look over this thread more than a few times for ideas.  This will be my third plane ever, so this WIP will be a treasure trove considering what a great job you did.

Glad your kit survived the dreaded heat seeking tennis ball, at least mostly.

D

Thanks so much. I'm looking forward to seeing your Wildcat. That was my first plane (or build at all) in a really long time, but it basically took me three tries, so we're about even. 

-J

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, November 8, 2017 5:23 PM

Wow, you're doing a fantastic job! A fine tribute to your grandpa!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by ManCityFan on Wednesday, November 8, 2017 4:32 PM

That Wildcat is fantastic.  I will be starting my own Tamiya Wildcat shortly.

Thanks a lot for setting the bar so dCensored high.  Stick out tongue  Going to look over this thread more than a few times for ideas.  This will be my third plane ever, so this WIP will be a treasure trove considering what a great job you did.

Glad your kit survived the dreaded heat seeking tennis ball, at least mostly.

D

Dwayne or Dman or just D.  All comments are welcome on my builds. 

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Wednesday, November 8, 2017 4:17 PM

Thanks Scott! The Corsair has gotten off to a promising, if pokey, start. 

Lawdog, thanks! That means a lot—I'm a big fan of your builds. I appreciated the backstory with that recent Jug of yours as well. I think you should do up that B17 again (but of course, that's easy for me to say). 

-J

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, November 8, 2017 3:02 AM
Wow! that turned out great. I know what you mean about interests changing at different points in our lives. I didn't take a huge interest in my grandfather's service until I was well out of my teens, but he died when I was two and he never wanted to talk about it anyways. Thanks for sharing your story.

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, November 7, 2017 10:29 AM

Your model turned out really nice, and I really, really enjoyed the story behind it.  I look forward to your build log on the Corsiar.  

Scott

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:24 AM

FWIW, today (Nov 7) is the 75th anniversary of when my grandfather ditched this Wildcat off of Malaita. (It's also the same day Joe Foss was shot down.)

The story, as relayed to me as a small child, mostly revolved around the fact that there were cannibals on the island, which sounded gruesome. However, as a practical matter, Japanese patrols represented a far greater danger. 

Anyway, thought I'd share. 

Thanks

-J

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:23 PM

Thanks keavdog!

-J

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Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:57 AM

Nice job.  I did a hellcat way back with resin wings, gear bay and all the fiddly bits .   Yours looks fantastic.  Nice job on the seams and detail.   Well done!

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:46 PM

Shipwreck: yes. (That reminds me that I should call my mother...)

One more historical bit...

The VMF-223 war diary from Sept 27, 1942. My grandfather was part of a small advance echelon from VMF-121. The legenary Marion Carl was the only one to bag a kill this day.

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Posted by Shipwreck on Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:49 AM

Johnny1000
I really wish I had had smarter, better informed conversations with my grandfather (all my grandparents, actually). By the time I was old enough, my interests had moved on to other things, and then of course he died before they moved back—he would be 98 now.

 

Johnny, I know what you mean. My father was with the 101st Airborne during WWII. There were lots of stories that I never bothered to get the detail on; now it is too late!

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Kinetic 1/48 YF-104A 5-2957

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep & Reasearch

 

 

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:12 AM

Thanks guys. 

I really wish I had had smarter, better informed conversations with my grandfather (all my grandparents, actually). By the time I was old enough, my interests had moved on to other things, and then of course he died before they moved back—he would be 98 now.

There’s many just with this part of his service: what were Joe Foss, Harold Bauer, Marion Carl, etc really like? What were the circumstances of each of your four victories? Was is a disappointment to not get a fifth? (I could see him not caring about being an “ace”.) What was running through your head the first time you scrambled to your plane to greet incoming Betty’s? What was it like to NOT be on the flight list when there was a scramble? What was it like for an American flyer on leave in Sydney during the battle for Guadalcanal (which saved Australia) and so on.

Next up for me is a Corsair from his second tour in 1944 (again with Joe Foss) in VMF-115 at Emirau.

-J

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Posted by 1943Mike on Friday, October 13, 2017 6:24 PM

Looks great!

Wonderful payoff for dogged persistance over several obstacles.

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by bvallot on Friday, October 13, 2017 2:24 PM

I almost started to lose it there for a moment reading your update on what is beginning to sound like a nice little ghost story of sorts for your Wildcat. Talk about bad luck! Good Lord....

Even still, you've got one nice looking Wildcat. She's something to be proud of. =] Canopy looks nice, engine is a definite upgrade, cockpit turned out really nice, elevators, painting/markings, "I's dotted and T's crossed"...I could go on. Thank you for sharing her and your story with us all. I think that's the best part really. Pretty soon the only way we'll hear their stories is through second and third hand information and the truth about what happened will get muddier through time unless we better preserve this part of our history.

Looking forward to your next build. =]

On the bench:  

Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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Posted by Shipwreck on Friday, October 13, 2017 12:50 PM
That is a great Wildcat , Johnny. Thanks for shareing your journey.

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Kinetic 1/48 YF-104A 5-2957

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep & Reasearch

 

 

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Friday, October 13, 2017 11:57 AM

Thanks guys

A sort of postscript: last night my 6 year old son was practicing bobbling a tennis ball in the living room. Where I thought I might display this model on a shelf—what with it both referencing family history and being the fruit of not inconsiderable labor.

You see where this is going...

 

That ball zeroed in on that Wildcat like a... uh, like a Zero on Wildcat, I guess. Bam!

I don't have a pic, but the repairs weren't all that bad after all--it detached from the base and the rudder and canopy were knocked off, but luckily the antenna wire didn't break. The posts surely would have had they not been refabricated in brass, so that turned out to be a useful exercise. 

But man, this model is surely cursed! Maybe I'll just put it in a box. 

-J 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:33 PM

Nice to see it finished, looks pretty nice.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by BrandonD on Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:15 PM

Nice job! That looks great!

-BD-

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:50 PM

Thanks bvallot! That means a lot--your dash 3 conversion is really inspiring.

And here's the finish:

 

 

That electrical box. The four victory flags represent his tally. 

Guadalcanal is rainy and hot in November. 

There's a bunch of things nagging, but it's time to move on, so I'm calling this done. (And it only took me a year and three tries.)

Thanks for looking! 

-J

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Posted by bvallot on Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:54 AM

Johnny, this looks like a miraculous save. You're definitely staying the course quite well. The effort shows. =] It's a lot of fun watching the little things come together. Looking forward to the finish!

On the bench:  

Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:01 PM

Thanks Pawel. And yes, posting as I went would have been better.

-J

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Posted by Pawel on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:43 PM

Johnny - I'm glad you have revived this! It's been a long time, but good models take time, and your Wildcat looks good! It would be better posting this one step at a time, but I see you have been busy. Thanks for sharing and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:14 PM

Update

Considering the above laquer thinner mishap and my generally pokey build pace, rather than try to document rebuilding this along the way, I decided to abandon the rolling WIP, and just post when I had made actual progress. 

9 and a half months later…

January-February

I got a bit obsessed with that stupid electrical box, and ended up making five or six versions using different approaches, trying to get the detail crisp enough. I still don’t love final result, but i’m over it, and besides, it's not exactly a focal point of the finished model. But I learned a lot about scratch building details, which made it worth it to me. 

Naturally, I don’t have in-progress photos of it.

I do remember thinking about it a lot, imagining the structure of it, thinking about all the details, and in my mind it would seem to be large enough to require internal support. Then I realized that the longest dimension was slightly less than .25”. 

I did attempt to photo etch a few parts, including for the electrical box, and the firewall. This was not successful, exactly, but kind of fascinating. I’m going to come back to DIY photo-etching later.

March - April

After finally giving up on photo etching, inspired by bvallot’s lovely F4F-3 conversion (http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/173752.aspx), I splurged on the Eduard PE set for the HobbyBoss kit. 

It's not very visible in the finished model, so this was almost as much to get better at learning how to work with photo etch parts as anything. I mostly used Gator Grip to tack down the parts, and then thin CA after to fix them. The Gator Grip is easier to work with, in that it’s slow, but the bond isn’t that strong and the material itself has bulk. But when excess glue squeezes out, it’s easy to clean. 

“The BUG” PE folding tool helped with the bends. This is one of those tools who’s utility and merit are not obvious (at least they weren’t to me) until you try it. 

 

 The gun ports are kind of poorly rendered out of the box, and since I intended to replace the guns with aluminum tubing from Albion, I decided to fill them and then drill the holes. I tried using Milliput to fill, which didn’t really work because the chunks didn’t really bond completely with the plastic and would just pop out when drilling. The proper way would probably be to use CA with a filler, sand smooth, and then rescribe everything obliterated by the sanding. 

 In the end I ended up living with the ports more or less as rendered, if cleaned up a little. 

I also decided at the time that it would make sense to add the gun barrels at the end, after assembly and painting, and so included styrene anchor points but not the barrels themselves. Spoiler! It does not make sense to do it this way. My rationale was that I’d save myself masking. Masking is super easy. Aligning aluminum tubes before the wings are assembled is super easy. Trying to get them seated after? Not so much.

 

The firewall painted, with the engine mount added, following bvallot’s playbook. I added various cables and conduits later, and then gave it a wash and dry brushed the details.

 

Paint! Masks! 

 The paint is Mr Paint. I really like how it goes on. I’m not going to say it’s better than Tamiya with Tamiya lacquer thinner, but it’s pretty good. The colors (at least Blue Grey and Sky Grey) are spot on. Part of it, is that it’s a lot thinner than I was used to, at least from mixing Tamiya 50:50 with thinner, so you have to use lower pressure and paint closer to keep it from splatting out. Being so thin, you have to work up color in passes, which is good or bad, depending. 

 

The insignia masks are from Miracle Masks. The other day I reached out to Mel with a technical question about masks for my next project, but he says he’s not doing custom masks anymore. This is a bummer. Does anyone know a good source for custom masks? 

I really don’t want to use decals, so I’m going to try Maketar masks, using an assortment of roundels and code letters/numbers, but I liked how I could get odd shaped characters for the ID number.

Here with the white elements painted, but not yet the insignia blue. I really like the painted roundels so much better than decals.  

May-June

All glossed up with the popular floor care product, getting ready for weathering. 

 

The upper landing gear struts as rendered in the kit are a bit impressionistic. I scratch built new with brass rod and styrene. These aren’t perfect, but are a bit closer to the prototype. Again, this is as much for learning as making an impact with the finished work. 

July

A work trip to London and a family vacation in Wyoming pretty much took care of July. 

August

Panel line wash. I used Windsor Oils Lamp Black thinned in mineral spirits. There’s something about the purpose developed weathering products that kind of rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure they’re amazing. Maybe I’m just old fashioned. Or maybe I’d be more open to them if I felt like I had mastery of the process.

I also just love the smell of oil paints and mineral spirits. My dad is a professional fine artist, and so I grew up with those smells.

Note the faded ailerons. All the fabric surfaces got that treatment, which I did by mixing MRP Sky Grey into the Blue Grey, approx 40/60 and then trying to barely mist it. 

As to verisimilitude, I have a reference showing an F4F with radically faded fabric surfaces. My rationale in this case has a little back story: my grandfather was part of an advance echelon of VMF-121, arriving on Guadalcanal on 25 September, 1942, and flying with VMF-223 and VMF-224. The rest of VMF-121 arrived in New Caledonia on 29 September and then onto Cactus in October. 

My intention is to show this aircraft as it would have appeared on the morning of November 7 (the day he ditched this plane off of Malaita after strafing a Japanese destroyer). So the great likelihood is that, by that time, it had been in theatre—either in combat if it came with my grandfather’s group, or in training if it came with the rest of the squadron—for at least 6 weeks. The average duty life of an F4F on Guadalcanal in the fall of 1942 was maybe two weeks, so this would have been a comparatively seasoned aircraft.

(Of course, it’s just as likely that this aircraft was a reinforcement, and could have been fresh out of the factory and dropped off the day before.)

And the bottom. Trying to bring out all that lovely rivet detail.

Dot filters. Again, I used oil paints. Anyone who’s ever done a dot filter will note that the yellow is going to make the blue look green. Oops.

When planning a filter, have a look at a color wheel and give some thought as to how you want to shape the color. It’s not just about modulation for it’s own sake, but in modulating for a particular effect. The brown, white, and grey all looked good, but I went through most of a box of q-tips getting rid of the greenish-yellow.

Engine details peek out of the of the cowling. 

Pause for a work trip to Africa…

September

Just as I was putting final touches, a small sorting box fell on it, breaking both antenna posts and knocking off the canopy and windscreen. 

Instead of trying to repair the plastic parts and always worry about them breaking, I decided to fabricate new with brass, by taking rod with the diameter a little bigger than the widest point of the post and filing down. This worked pretty well, and was easier than it sounds. The main post is epoxied to the bottom of the fuselage and then then hole is filled with milliput. For the small post on the tail, once I had it shaped, I chucked it into a cordless drill, and kind of crudely ‘lathed’ a pin for it to insert into the plastic. Then I faired that in with Milliput.

Fixing the paint job was a pain—there’s maybe 8 steps: basic camo, acrylic gloss, oil panel line, acrylic gloss, oil filter, dull coat, dry pigment, dull coat. A lot of these need to dry overnight before moving on to the next step, so working a few nights a week it took over two weeks to get back to zero. 

As long as I was here, I decided to take another pass at the windscreen, trying to get the lines tighter and crisper. Someday I’m going to rule a masking canopies. My first pass was with Montex masks. They didn’t really fit all well, but that’s probably more to do with the canopy being a Squadron vac canopy instead of the kit part.

I have really mixed feelings about commercial canopy masks. On the one hand, I see how they save a lot of time. On the other, I think masking a canopy is kind of a fundamental skill. Maybe once I’ve mastered doing it, I’ll feel better about taking shortcuts. 

It’s a mix of regular and bendy Tamiya tape. I punched the curved bar at the top of the front panel with the appropriate sized Micro Mark punch and then filled in the straightaways. To do inside and out took a night and a half.  

Pause there for another trip to Africa, but I’m almost done. Really.  

Thanks for looking (and making it through this absurdly long post!). 

-J

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