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1/48 Meng P-51 D Mustang 352 FG John C. Meyer "Petie 2nd" (FINISHED)

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1/48 Meng P-51 D Mustang 352 FG John C. Meyer "Petie 2nd" (FINISHED)
Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, February 09, 2017 4:10 AM

A modern kit that does not require glue?  I must admit I was skeptical when this one was announced.  Then the reviews started coming in and they claimed it was not only good, but may be better than Tamiya's 20 year old kit.  Since I'm good for at least one Mustang (usually more) a year, I could no longer resist.  I broke down and bought one.  No glue? We'll see about that.  Aside from decals, some seatbelts and maybe wheels, I'll be going right out of the box.

I've chosen a subject flown by one of my favorite pilots, John C. Meyer's "Petie 2nd" of the 352 FG/478th FS.  Meyer was a great leader and would finish the war with 24 kills, to include 2 in Petie 2nd.  I'm also long overdue for a Bluenoser.  

I started with the cockpit.  The detail is great out of the box, better than Tamiya.  Not quite resin, but satisfactory.  What stood out to me was how everything is separate for ease of painting.  Even the instrument panel top combing is a separate piece.  I used Gunze for the interior green and sprayed the fuel tank XF-24 Dark Grey to simulate the self sealing rubber coating.  I did use a little Tenax to make the front battery stay in place which kept popping off (so much for no glue).  The floor was wooden in the Merlin P-51, so I sprayed it XF-49 Khaki then Clear Orange directly over it.  Looks like wood to me.  The floor technically had a black coating over it in wartime Mustangs, but I chose to go this route anyways.  I streaked the wash a bit to try to simulate the grain.  The seatbelts are Eduard Color Zoom from an old Wildcat fret and I used Aeroscale individual dials for the instrument panel.  These are great for blank dials and settle right in with Micro Sol.....highly recommended.        

That's it for now, I may add some battery wiring too.  I also started the 1/32 Tamiya Corsair as well.  I'll be going back and forth.    

 

 

 

 

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Posted by rooster513 on Thursday, February 09, 2017 6:46 AM

Great start Joe! Yeah I've seen some of the reviews too and have been wanting to give this one a try. Glad to see you taking this one on, it'll be great seeing it come together. Thanks for sharing!

-Andy

    

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Posted by 7474 on Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:17 AM
Great start Joe, can't wait to see the results
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Posted by Toshi on Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:44 AM

Fantastic start as always!  I'll be following!

Toshi

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Posted by bvallot on Thursday, February 09, 2017 11:27 AM

I've been wondering when I'd get to see somebody tackle this new kit. =] I was skeptical myself about the no glue talk. Looking forward to seeing what comes out of this. 

=]

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Tamiya P-51D-conversion: F6-D William Shomo

Accu Minn P-51A James England

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, February 09, 2017 11:50 AM

bvallot

I've been wondering when I'd get to see somebody tackle this new kit. =] I was skeptical myself about the no glue talk. Looking forward to seeing what comes out of this. 

=]

 

If you give this a thumbs up. It must be good

 

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Posted by silentbob33 on Thursday, February 09, 2017 8:24 PM
Somehow I haven't heard of this kit. I'm very interested to see how this comes together. The detail looks really good, and as usual you've done a great job painting it.

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Posted by Ultra on Thursday, February 09, 2017 9:19 PM

Hmm interesting.  I've seen those "snap-fit" ones at the hobby shop but I bet none are going to look as good as this one!

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Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, February 09, 2017 11:15 PM

Beautiful work, Joe! I can't wait to see how you handle the rest of it.  :)

- Mike Brindos

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Posted by BrandonD on Friday, February 10, 2017 3:58 PM

Great start. I've been trying to find this kit for sale, but it's out of stock everywhere I see it. Kinda kicking myself for not buying it from Hong Kong in December, but I had done a self-imposed moratorium on buying new kits until I finish an old one.

Oh well, it'll be back around.

Watching this one with interest. I like the wood floor. Seems a bit easier than the method of painting it desert yellow, then streaking burnt umber artist's oil over it, waiting for it to dry and then spraying a 1:1 clear orange/clear yellow over that. Yours looks great.

And also, I love the subject. My Tamiya 51 wears those markings, and it remains one of my favorites.

Just out of curiosity, how do the kit decals look? I like the schemes, but haven't built any Meng aircraft, and have no experience with their decals.

-BD-

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Posted by Bish on Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM

This should be interesting. Off to a good start as always, and always nice to see a Bodney bird

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, February 10, 2017 8:04 PM

BrandonD

Just out of curiosity, how do the kit decals look? I like the schemes, but haven't built any Meng aircraft, and have no experience with their decals.

-BD-

 

 

Thanks everyone for the kind words.  I found it on eBay a few Months ago and jumped on it. I paid a bit more for it because it was already in the US.  

Brandon, I'm going to use an Eagle Cal sheet for the Petie markings but the kit decals look fine from what I can see.  Unfortunately you never know until you use them.  I'll need them for the common markings and stuff.  

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Toshi on Saturday, February 11, 2017 2:37 AM

What are you opinions on this kit thus far?

Toshi

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Posted by Greatmaker on Monday, February 13, 2017 4:57 PM

Amazing work as per usual.  Those seatbelts look like PE!

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, February 13, 2017 10:13 PM

Thanks all. Maker, I used an old PE fret I had in my stash.  

 

Toshi, I'm going to get into that here.  For the folks who have built this kit without glue I must applaud you.  You are the Masterclass.  I have been having no such luck and it's been a frustrating, profanity laced experience thus far.  

First off, I assembled the fuselage/cockpit/radiator area and it was smooth sailing.  I was fat, dumb and happy, all proud of myself until I attached the upper cowl pieces.  I couldn't get these pressed flush and there were large gaps that I had to fill. I ended up gluing them down and filling them with Perfect Plastic Putty.

Close up...

Next gripe.  You have to follow the instructions, as the build order dictates how its held together without glue.  This was first experienced with the landing gear legs and tail wheel which have to be installed as you proceed through basic assembly.  Apparently they want you to paint everything separately and then assemble it.  From the factory, the P-51 had an aluminum lacquer gear bay with the back wall (wing spar) in Zinc Chromate.  This kit is the first to get this area right in 1/48.  I did the light housing in ZC, painted the bulb silver then added a drop of 5 minute epoxy to simulate glass. The gear legs got brake lines.  

     

I managed to get everything together but I just was not happy with the tolerances of the panel lines.  There were gaps everyhere.  I seemed to be gluing/squeezing then filling everything with putty.  I ended up gluing the wing leading edges since the seam was visible.  

Then the fun really began. For the life of me I could not get the machine gun inserts to fit.  They just kept springing out and I ended up breaking off the starboard aileron (also a lousy design) under finger pressure trying to force them in place.  I kept waiting for a "click" that never came.....all while trying not to break the landing gears that I had to install prematurely...Bang Head.  I ended up chopping out the insides and then supergluing them in place. I then filled the gaps with putty.   

    

Perhaps I'm being too harsh but for a $50.00 kit, it should perform as advertised.  That's alot of work for something that isn't supposed to even need glue. Maybe I had one piece that was out of whack or had some flash that I didn't see that threw everything off.  Who knows, I'm not particularly impressed so far. 

 

It will get some primer soon.  I'm not sure I'm going to waste my Petie 2nd markings or use my precious Alclad on this kit.  I may switch to a painted subject. We'll see how it looks under some primer.  So far it's safe to say my Tamiya and Hasegawa kits are safe in the stash.   

Maybe I'll switch gears and start that big Tamiya Corsair?....Whistling

     

  

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Posted by Johnny1000 on Monday, February 13, 2017 10:54 PM

sounds frustrating, but you're making it look great. (As always.) 

Meanwhile, I'm especially excited to see what you do with that Tamiya Corsair. Have you picked a subject?

cheers

-J

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, February 13, 2017 11:38 PM

Johnny1000

sounds frustrating, but you're making it look great. (As always.) 

Meanwhile, I'm especially excited to see what you do with that Tamiya Corsair. Have you picked a subject?

cheers

-J

 

Thanks Johnny.  Out of curiousity, I went and looked at a few builds of the kit and some folks said things were falling off and they needed glue as well.  One modeler discovered a niffy alteration to the landing gear so it could be installed later. Interestingly nobody seemed to experience the machine gun insert issues.  Perhaps its operator error here.

Reference the Corsair, I'm building Pappy Boyington's #774 then Tommy Blackburn's #1.      

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, February 14, 2017 6:28 AM

Well your doing a good job despite the issues.

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Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, February 14, 2017 7:21 AM

Bish

Well your doing a good job despite the issues.

 

I agree with Bish!

Toshi

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Posted by nanookAK on Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:30 PM

Looks very good so far, sir! I've been debating on saving up to buy one if these kits...I may need to wait until it pops up on sale. Very nice work though even with the Issues. The detail looks superb that's for sure.

Later,

Lee

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:21 AM

Thanks guys.

Well, I'm not going to make a complete 360 on my initial assessment, but I must admit I overreacted a wee bit.  Once a coat of Alclad primer was added I became more pleased with it.  I only had a few minor seams that needed attention but I was happy with the results.  That detail is simply breath taking.  It was so nice that I wasn't able to "laminair flow" the wings with putty.....too beautiful to mess with.  

After primer, I started with Alclad Duraluminum as a base which is my go to for that worn "combat" look.  I used to get pebbling at wing roots but I discovered that higher pressure (about 20 psi) coupled with getting in close, resulted in it going on wet.  This seems to alleviated it for me.    

  

Next I started taping off panels and spraying shades of the Alclad.  I may even add more.  

Almost time for that blue nose.  I need to research the proper shade.  I believe the 352nd had an early, lighter blue and late one that was much darker.  Petie 2nd was probably the lighter blue.   

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Posted by rooster513 on Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:31 AM

The Alclad came out looking great! I'm going to have to try that trick for the wing roots which are always a problem for me. Looking forward to the blue going on!

-Andy

    

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:52 AM

The pit is looking spectacular. Hey dog I agree with you about skipping the laminar flow putty on the wings. I have a 1/32 Dragon Mustang in the stash that I have been looking over and like you said, too pretty to cover up the details.

 

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Posted by blackdog62 on Wednesday, February 15, 2017 10:54 AM

Your build as always looks great.

This might be topic for elsewhere but is this going to be the new model design snaptite. For adults  I started building in the late 60s and gluing a kit is something I have really learned to like. But then again I guess I can glue a snap tite. Snaptite is how I taught my kids to use glue.

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Posted by RudyOnWheels on Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:11 PM
Great work as always! Really like the "wood" you did, looks authentic to me. Rudy
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Posted by BrandonD on Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:21 PM

Nice work so far, Lawdog. As far as the snaptite assembly, I think I would have a hard time not gluing it all down.

No sink marks in the fuselage where those big attachment points are? Nice!

I think if I can snag one of these for under $40 I will go for it, but I have high hopes for the Eduard Mustang in 2018. Because I think Eduard will absolutely rock it and make the definitive Mustang kit. Judging by the way they released their Spitfires and Bf-109G series, I think we can even expect an A-36 down the line, as well as an early D model without the tail fillet.

As for colors, I did Petie 2nd with Humbrol (I know) French Blue.

Looking at my kit, I'm thinking it's definitely time to build another...

-BD-

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Posted by BrandonD on Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:23 PM

Oh, one thing I have heard about the Meng kit (and I'm sure you're aware of) is that the canopy in the open position is inaccurate. I read that due to the way Meng made it posable, it doesn't dip down in the rear when open, like the real onedid.

Not having built it, I can't comment on that, but something to watch for.

-BD-

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Posted by nanookAK on Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:31 PM

Looking good! Almost on the home stretch now. I agree that French Blue is a good match for the blue nose birds. I think many folks have used it for years for this.

Also agree on the forthcoming Eduard P-51 family. I can only imagine that they will kit all of the relevant versions. What is funny to read though is that some folks think the Hasegawa and Tamiya kits are in need of being replaced. They may lack a bit of super fine detail in a few areas but sheesh these kits STILL look great after 20+ years on the market. The Hasegawa kit's only real 'flaw' IMHO is the super-shallow wheel wells. Both kits did not replicate the wheel well properly though so that can be laid at both kits' feet. For me personally, I'm not wound up about the wheel wells...in all seriousness how often are our built kits viewed from below? I appreciate getting it right but sometimes it seems a bit overboard.

Later,

Lee

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Posted by Toshi on Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:36 PM

The Alclad looks fantastic.  

Toshi

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Posted by lawdog114 on Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:01 AM

BrandonD

Nice work so far, Lawdog. As far as the snaptite assembly, I think I would have a hard time not gluing it all down.

No sink marks in the fuselage where those big attachment points are? Nice!

I think if I can snag one of these for under $40 I will go for it, but I have high hopes for the Eduard Mustang in 2018. Because I think Eduard will absolutely rock it and make the definitive Mustang kit. Judging by the way they released their Spitfires and Bf-109G series, I think we can even expect an A-36 down the line, as well as an early D model without the tail fillet.

As for colors, I did Petie 2nd with Humbrol (I know) French Blue.

Looking at my kit, I'm thinking it's definitely time to build another...

-BD-

 

Awesome!  I hope mine turns out half that nice.  That blue is dead on.  I think my LHS carries Humbrol so I'll go check it out.  Besides, I'm out of Micro Sol.  Airfix is releasing a new tooled D later this year too.  Rumor has it you will have a tail fillet option, which I find very appealing.  

 

Thanks for all the kind words everyone...  

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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