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1/48 B-24J Bare Metal Foil - WIP Part 2

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1/48 B-24J Bare Metal Foil - WIP Part 2
Posted by JohnnyK on Monday, July 23, 2018 3:55 PM

It is the middle of July and all of my Spring/Summer gardening tasks are finished. Back to modeling and finishing up my Monoigram 1/48 B-24J in Bare Metal Foil. 

Part 1 of this project can be found here: http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/178234.aspx?page=1

The metal foiling and riveting of the wings and fuselage are finally finished. So far I have spent 92 hours on this model.

I used two different colors of Bare Metal Foil. Matte Aluminun and Chrome. 

 

There is a double row of rivets at the edge of each wing panel and a single row of rivets at the spars. The riveting took forever. However, I think that it adds a lot to the final appearance of the model. 

 

Once again I used two different colors of Bare Metal foil on the fuselage. I checked photos of the real plane and there are thousands of rivets.

I highlighted the exhaust pipes using a black wash followed by a rust wash. The wheel well is painted Testors' Green Chromate followed by a light wash of black and rust. I am still thinking about adding a black wash on the wing behind the engine exhaust.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, July 23, 2018 7:34 PM

 Man that looks superb so far! I really like your multi tone panels and rivet effects! 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, July 23, 2018 7:45 PM

stikpusher

 Man that looks superb so far! I really like your multi tone panels and rivet effects! 

 

Yes it sure does. I'm about to jump in the deep end with a NMF DC-4, and your model is inspiring.

I bought a rivet tool and have been practicing with it. One immediate problem is that the wheel wobbles- it needs some field mods. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the sequence is to imprint the "rivet" depressions into the bare plastic, correct?

The Revell plastic in my kit seems very hard and doesn't take much of a depression. And the rivet tool wheel is photoetched stainless- I'm having difficulty getting rid of the attachment points and if I don't they will show up every 10 rivets or so.

I bought Dymo tape to use as a straight edge, but this particular batch is maddening getting the backing to peel off.

You seem an expert; any advice or solutions to any of the above whining would be most welcome.

Really great model.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by JohnnyK on Monday, July 23, 2018 10:02 PM

I use the rivet tool on the foil, not the plastic. I'll get back with you tomorrow to explain how I did the rivets.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, July 24, 2018 3:34 AM

The foil looks absolutely AMAZING!!!

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Posted by TankerEasy on Tuesday, July 24, 2018 7:02 AM

Following Cool

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Posted by JohnnyK on Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:59 PM

GMorrison

 

You seem an expert; any advice or solutions to any of the above whining would be most welcome.

Really great model.

 

 
Hi,
 
Go here to see how I apply metal foil and how I provide rivets:
 http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/tools_techniques_and_reference_materials/f/13/t/179536.aspx
 
I apply the rivets after the foil is installed.  I do not use tape to guide my rivet tool. That would just add a lot of extra hours to a task that already takes a long time. Instead I use a flexable straight edge.
 
John

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Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, July 24, 2018 2:11 PM

This has been a wonderful tutorial post.  I look forward to trying this someday.

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Posted by JohnnyK on Tuesday, July 24, 2018 3:38 PM

Okay, onto the decals.

The decals that are provided with the kit are really BORING!!!!! I mean really, Monogram could have provided something more interesting. So, I looked on the Internet and decided to base my model on this airplane. I think the colors will go well with the naturl metal finish.

I found a decal set from kit's world. The large decal comes in multiple pieces which will make it easier to apply. However, I will need to use the national ensignia from the Monogram decal set.

The question is, do I start with the tail, or the front. After a little goofing around it became obvious that I needed to start at the front. I have never used kit's world decals before. OMG are they thick!!! I have never used decals this thick before. However, the thickness allowed me to slide the decals around with out tearing them. A lot of decal solvent made the decals settle down. On the flip side, the Monogrtam national ensignia was super thin and easy to rip.

Even though the decals are real thick, the carrier film is crystal clear.

Look at the area around the letters: "The Dragon and his tail". The carrier film is invisible. Best decals ever.

 

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by TankerEasy on Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:01 PM

That looks amazing.

Millennial modeler

Air Force vet (2006-2012)

Recently completed: 1/48 Tamiya V1

On the bench: Hasegawa 1/8 Clerget 9B rotary engine, 1/35 scale Trumpeter SA-2 Guideline missle

 

 

 

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Posted by JohnnyK on Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:12 PM

Yep, those are super high quality decals.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:13 AM

Very nice build and your thread is written well. I am following this one to completion.

v/r,

Ben

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Posted by Toshi on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:04 AM

Stunning!!!  I’m absolutely blown away by the design and your artistic your artistic talent.  

Your freind, Toshi

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Posted by WillysMB on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:04 PM

I did my 1/72 B-24 in those markings, sure catches the eye. What's kind of neat is that the opposite side is very bland, so I used to display it with the bland side out and when people would comment, "nice model, but eh," I'd turn it around...

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Posted by silentbob33 on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:08 PM
That looks great! And I can't see the carrier film at all. I have a sheet of Kits World decals for my B-26, and it's good to know the carrier film is that high quality, and that I'll need lots of decal solution. I can't wait until the next update.

On my bench: Academy 1/35 UH-60L Black Hawk

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Posted by JohnnyK on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:43 PM

WillysMB

I did my 1/72 B-24 in those markings, sure catches the eye. What's kind of neat is that the opposite side is very bland, so I used to display it with the bland side out and when people would comment, "nice model, but eh," I'd turn it around...

 

This is the opposite side of the fuselage. Not much going on in the way of art work.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by JohnnyK on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:46 PM

The final piece of art work is the tail:

A lot of decal solvent was needed to make the striped decal on the rudder settle down.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by JohnnyK on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:55 PM

Time to paint the canopy and the turrets.

I used a mask set from Eduards. IMHO, that is the only way to mask the clear parts. I used my trusty paper stump to smooth out the masks. I also used blue tape to mask the back side of the canopy. The first time that I used Eduard's masks a number of years ago I forgot to mask the backside of the canopy. What a mess. I won't forget masking the back again.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:08 PM
Very inspiring....Nicest foil work I have ever seen. I look forward to the finished plane.

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Eagle90 on Thursday, July 26, 2018 6:02 AM

I have no words....except WOW!  That is amazing!  I tried using foil once...it wasn't pretty.  You on the other hand, again, wow!  That is beautiful work!

 

 

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Posted by JohnnyK on Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:23 AM

Thank's everyone for the very kind words.

 

John

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Posted by JohnnyK on Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:24 AM

The canopy came out nice:

 

Now I have a real mess on my hands!!!! Sad

I misunderstood the Eduard instructions. As you can see there are large areas on the front and rear turrets that I did not mask. Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can remove this paint? The paint is Tamyia TS30 Silver Leaf.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:50 AM

If you've coated the clear part with "Future", and this is one reason I do; you can either soak the entire piece in ammonia to strip the whole thing, or work at the painted area with a Q tip soaked in same.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, July 26, 2018 11:54 AM

Hi ;

 I don't remember , But didn't Monogram do the plane with those Decals ? Seems to me they did ,

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Posted by JohnnyK on Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:18 PM

Nope, did not do the Future thing. That sounds like a good idea. Maybe next time. However, I do have an idea that I need to try.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:26 PM

A question- what is the best sequence for getting from the entire foil sheet on backing to the little piece stuck on the model?

Do you cut out the piece, including backing, from the sheet?

Or do you carefully cut the foil but not the backing?

Do you hold the piece with tweezers?

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by JohnnyK on Thursday, July 26, 2018 4:34 PM

Using a metal straight edge, I cut the foil but not the backing. Then I use my hobby knife to lift one corner of the foil. then I use my finger and thumb to lift the foil from the backing sheet. I have found that I heve better control with my fingers instead of tweezers. Next I place the foil onto the model. Remember, your knife and fingers must be clean. Any kind of fuzz or grit is a no no.

Is this your first model that will be finished in foil? It takes a little while to get the knack of it. However, anyone with a steady hand and patience can do it. Every model that you foil will be better than the previous one.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 26, 2018 4:38 PM

Yes, and thanks. I have done a fair amount of gold leaf work, I am sure it's different because in leafing the sizing is applied to the surface and allowed to semi dry.

I think if I start on the undersides of the horizontal stabilizers, and then wings, I should learn before too long.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by JohnnyK on Friday, July 27, 2018 11:52 AM

There is another problem that needs to be resolved while I think about removing the paint on the turrets.

This problem happened early on in the build, but I never got around to fixing it. Due to a Monogram engineering issue, it is really easy to accidently push the prop shafts into the engines, never to be seen again (yellow arrows).

 

The instructions call for not glueing the prop shafts to the back of the engines. The problem is that the stem (blue arrow) is not large enough to prevent the shaft from getting pushed into the engine. After loosing two shafts I glued the remaining two in place.

What makes the solution more difficult to reslove is that the prop shaft has two diffetent diameters. I chucked a plastic rod into my drill and used a file to reduce the diameter of the rod. Kind of like a make shift lathe.

The final result is shown above. The larger diameter fits into the engine and the smaller diameter fits into the prop.

Problem solved.

 

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by JohnnyK on Friday, July 27, 2018 3:18 PM

Well, I figured a way to remove the paint from the two turrets.

Whenever I made a mistake painting a model part I have always used Purple Power to remove paint. Just drop the part in container of PP and in a couple of hours the paint just peels away.

I can't just drop the turrets into a container of PP because that would remove all of the paint and get into the inside of the turret. So I cut a paper towel into small strips and placed the paper on top of the paint that I wanted to remove. I soaked the paper in PP and waited a couple of hours. Every 15 minutes I put more PP onto the paper.

A tooth pick was trimmed  into the shape of a chisel. After the paper was removed I scraped away the softened paint. 

Before and after shots. Problem solved.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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