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Cessna Skymaster
Posted by ARDVARK003 on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 5:40 PM

Hi all, Hope all is well for everyone. I'm working on a Roden 1/32 Skymaster which I am converting to civilan. Window fills etc. My question has to do with prop pitch due to push. Are the blades reversed or is the rototion changed via a gear box? Dumb question maybe but if I have to flip the blades, I want to know to make it accurite. Thanks for any feedback.  AARDVARK        Keep on building!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 5:50 PM

I seem to think the rear engine is gear reversed as the propeller rotates in the opposite direction to the nose as far as I can tell.

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Posted by ARDVARK003 on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 6:13 PM
Thanks for the reply. That's what I think also.
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Posted by ARDVARK003 on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 6:48 PM

Duh, I just thought, I can reverse the direction of the airflow on my ceiling fan just by reversing it. No blade change. Must be gears.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 7:10 PM

Opposite handed props.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 8:34 PM

The rear engine is installed in the opposite direction from the front, so the propeller blades naturally rotate in opposite directions.  The aft blades are mounted in the hub so the flat side is to the back of the airplane as normal.  Both engines are ungeared IO-360C Continentals.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 10:03 PM

Well see that makes me scratch my head. If two identical props are turning in opposite directions, only one is going to be an airscrew. I had thought they used opposite handed props, like on an F-82, where the engines are turning in opposite directions and the props are opposite handed.

Whaddah I know? I do know that the rear engine only developed about 70% of the power of the forward engine and that it was a bad thing to rotate too quickly when taking off.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 10:49 PM

Looking at pictures it appears, looking from the tail forward, that both props turn clockwise. If this is so then wouldn't there be a massive tork to counter?

BTW, a skymaster was my first model. I melted the wings with too much glue.

Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 11:03 PM

Right handed prop:

Left handed prop:

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:26 AM

OK, so opposite torque.

Steve

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Posted by ChrisJH666 on Thursday, October 18, 2018 2:27 PM

Logically they would have to be opposite handed. If they were the same then the rear engine would only multiply the torque from the front, meaning the aircraft would be determined to ground loop the moment you opened the throttle. Having the engines turning in opposite directions would have the torque forces cancelling each other

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 18, 2018 3:10 PM

This was a favorite Dornier layout going back to their big flying boats. I wonder if there's a connection.

A couple of other thing about the Skymaster, from some pilot forums.

Easy to overheat the rear engine when taxiing on a hot day. Think Vietnam. You had to pay attention to the rear engine; if it quit you had to act quickly.

A Skymaster rating would not be usable for other twins.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, October 18, 2018 7:32 PM

GMorrison

Well see that makes me scratch my head. If two identical props are turning in opposite directions, only one is going to be an airscrew. I had thought they used opposite handed props, like on an F-82, where the engines are turning in opposite directions and the props are opposite handed.

Whaddah I know? I do know that the rear engine only developed about 70% of the power of the forward engine and that it was a bad thing to rotate too quickly when taking off.

 

The two props are opposite handed, Bill. 

 

John

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:10 PM

Yes, John. I know that I just couldn't follow your flat vs. curved description but I see it now.

Having never had a ride in one of these but having seen them around the airport, they were loud. They were ugly. I'd love a 172 any day.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:32 PM

The thing I didn't like in the 337 was that every time a pitch change was made the props went out of synch, and I didn't much care for the heavy engine in the back in case of a crash.

The 172 is a fine compromise for the needs of day VFR flying.  I like the early straight tail the best, nice and light.

John

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