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What is this metal on a B-58 engine cover?

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What is this metal on a B-58 engine cover?
Posted by JohnnyK on Saturday, March 16, 2019 2:54 PM

These are pictures of the engine shroud on a B-58. Can anyone idenitfy what metal was used on the medium grey panels? I am building this kit and I am having a tough replicating the color of those panels. It also appears to have been used on the wing panel directly above the engine. I am guessing that it is a special metal to withstand the heat of the engines.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, March 16, 2019 3:03 PM

Just a SWAG, but I would guess titanium. 

 

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Posted by JohnnyK on Saturday, March 16, 2019 3:26 PM

You are probably correct. Thanks!

Does anyone know of a good titanium colord paint. I have tried testors' Metalizer Titanium paint in the past but it is too dark.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, March 16, 2019 4:22 PM

Yes, probably titanium over the burner section. I'd give Model Master Titanium enamel a try or MM Burnt Metal or Jet Exhaust. Any one might be match.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, March 16, 2019 5:13 PM

According to page 477 in "Bonded Bomber" by Smith and Rogers in the SAE Transactions periodical from 1962:

"These areas are made of brazed stainless steel sandwich because of the heat of the engines"

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44469505?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

The Hustler also has some fiberglass, including the radome and I think the fairings on the top of the wing over the landing gear bays.

I would have loved to see one fly.

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Posted by JohnnyK on Monday, March 18, 2019 9:51 AM

Thanks for the great information. 

Here is a photo of the plane under construction. Immedietly to the right of the tail wing is the fuel tank that hangs under the airplane. An atomic bomb was placed within the fuel tank.

 

This is a closeup of the construction. The shape of the wing spars is pretty interesting.

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Posted by RadMax8 on Monday, March 18, 2019 11:08 PM

GMorrison

According to page 477 in "Bonded Bomber" by Smith and Rogers in the SAE Transactions periodical from 1962:

"These areas are made of brazed stainless steel sandwich because of the heat of the engines"

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44469505?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

The Hustler also has some fiberglass, including the radome and I think the fairings on the top of the wing over the landing gear bays.

I would have loved to see one fly.

 

You know, I was just thinking that it looked like stainless, but figured titanium made more sense. Interesting that it was brazed, I wonder what alloy they used, and what the melting temperature was...

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, March 18, 2019 11:18 PM

Quite the aircraft.

The bomb was in the pod, but separate from the fuel. The fuel in the pod was for the run in, the whole thing of course was dropped in theory on target.

Despite some rumors to the contrary, no one ever rode in the thing.

Yes, the wing is interesting. No main spar with transverse ribs, just a lot of smaller spars.

If memory srves, the inlet temperature of a J79 was about 900 c.

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:05 AM

He means the turbine inlet temperature!

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Posted by HerkHero on Tuesday, March 19, 2019 11:52 AM
I found a good "how to" article on a website called OldModelKits.com. A fellow named Alan Bussie has a blog with several interesting articles including one on "Foiling Plastic and Resin Model Kits for Realism" by Ken Friend. The article discusses how to not only use foil on a model, but also how to weather the aluminum foil to look like the panels you are trying to replicate. Hope this helps.

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Posted by JohnnyK on Tuesday, March 19, 2019 4:01 PM

Thanks for finding that web site. I looked but I cannot fing the blog that you are refering to. Can you include a link.

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Posted by HerkHero on Tuesday, March 19, 2019 4:25 PM

Try this link for the blog on the site.  https://www.oldmodelkits.com/blog/ 

If that fails look on the very top of the front page of the OldModelKits Home Page and there will be a tiny link called "Plastic Model Kit Articles and Howto's"

There are some great "how to" articles and a lot of vintage kit history and kit reviews. 

Good Luck! 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Tuesday, March 19, 2019 4:32 PM

Thank You " G " : 

I was going to say about the same thing .Dassault-Brugier also used the sandwich panels on their own engine cases .When they went to Garret Air-Research engines it was definitely different . The wing spars were made of bonded material that was a Honeycomb material and very strong and light .Vertical or horizontal it all worked . T.B.   I did get to see them fly for about four months at L.R.A.F.B. when it was still a S.A.C.Base .WOW ! Noisy and Beautiful at the same time .

   

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Posted by HerkHero on Tuesday, March 19, 2019 4:49 PM

JohnnyK, Apologies for not getting the info to you sooner.  I'm new on the forum and I think I have to do a few more posts that are moderated before they turn me loose.  Regards.

 

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Posted by HerkHero on Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:26 PM

Tanker-Builder, I never got to see a Hustler fly, but they had one on display at Kelly AFB, TX many years ago.  It looked as fast sitting in the hangar as it probably was in the air. 

I'm not sure if I should thank you all or not in this thread.  I'm going to have to buy and build one of these beauties now.  Cheers! Yes

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, March 19, 2019 11:35 PM

The B-52 was Dr Strangelove, the B-58 was Fail-Safe.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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