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1/48 Douglas TBD-1 Devastator VT-8 "Midway" (Finished)
Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 3:59 AM

Hello,

I figured I'd share my next venture with you guys. It's the newer tooled Great Wall TBD-1 Devastator. It's nice to be back in 1/48.   

I'll be doing the VT-8 Lieutenant Commander John Waldron's ride during the Battle of Midway on 06-04-1942. For those not familiar, 15 Devastators, led by Waldron, took off from the USS Hornet that morning with intent to torpedo Japanese carriers.  They had no fighter escort and all but one from VT-8 were torn up by Zeros before reaching the carrier fleet (George Gay did launch his torpedo by missed, only later be shot down by a Zero.....he was the only survivor of VT-8).  This was not in vain as they, and two other Devastator Squadrons, drew down the Zeros which made it possible for Dauntless diver bombers from the Yorktown and Enterprise to pounce and essentially destroy the Japanese navy in one fell swoop.  It would never recover from this battle. Here's my homage to those brave "sacrificial lamb" Devastator crews. 

On the eve of the attack, Waldron told his group to do their best to hit the enemy, even down to the last pilot if necessary.  He ended by saying "Give em' hell".  Well, the Devastator was pretty much a piece of garbage.  It was slow, underarmed, and the torpedo it carried,the Mark 13, wasn't much better.  It had to be going low and slow to even launch it successfully.  Even when launched correctly, it was unreliable.  I suspect Waldron knew this hence his pessimism about their survival.  All the more reason there will never be men like them again.  Please join me in my homage to these heroes.     

  

Waldron's T-16

My research showed that this kit is quite good.  If it's like their P-61, I won't be disappointed.  Apparently I'll need to replace the canopies with vacuform if I want to display them open, as they are too thick and won't sit right.  I absolutely hate vacumform, so I'll try the kit parts anyways! The landing gears oleos are supposed to be fully extended, so I have to shorten them to simulate weight. I can't think of any other alleged issues.  

I got started with the cockpit.  It's pretty sweet. GW provides PE belts so I used them.  I further learned that pre-war TBD pits were aluminum, but by this time they were interior green. I mixed a custom color of XF-58 Olive Green, XF-57 Khaki, XF-3 Yellow. 

Of course after I was done I read that Midway Devastators only had lap belts......der! I should mention that GW's PE is somewhat rigid, so the seatbelts are hard make look believable.  I bent then up with tweezers as best as I could.  

Instrument panel(s) are nice.  GW provides individual decals for the dial faces.  A nice touch just like their P-61.  I wish others would do this.

  

The rear gun is pretty sweet too.  Hollowed out barrels.  I still need to drybrush this more. 

  

I should be closing it up soon.      

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Posted by patrick206 on Friday, April 12, 2019 4:25 AM

Great start, Joe -

Fine detailng, too bad it's not available in 1:72, now that you've converted to the "one true scale." Bish would be so proud.

Hey, you're new hobby digs look great, the envy of about 95% of modelers.

Patrick

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Posted by Jay Jay on Friday, April 12, 2019 7:13 AM
As always, your interior is looking great, and I'm looking forward to the rest of the build. TY for the history lesson as well. I wondered which aircraft was used on this torpedo mission since they got so destroyed during it.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Tosh on Friday, April 12, 2019 8:58 AM

Next up, 1/32 lol!  Fantastic start!  Looking forward to more.  So ironic in that I was just reading up on the Midway Battle due to having six Avengers of which only one returned completely shot up as my WIP might not be about a Midway Avenger but interesting enough.  Your tutorials are awesome.

Your friend, Toshi

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Posted by BrandonK on Friday, April 12, 2019 9:35 AM

Great work, Joe. I have this exact kit and I am looking forward to watching you bring it to life.

BK

On the bench: 1/25 MPC Deserter GMC 4x4   

On Deck:

1/48 Pro-Modeller SB2C-4 Helldiver

1/48 Italeri Tornado IDS "Black Panthers"

1/48 Hasegawa P-38J Lightining

 

 

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Posted by Greg on Friday, April 12, 2019 9:43 AM

Looking awesome as usual, Joe. And thanks for the history/background.

I'd never heard of Great Wall Hobby 'til now. Any good?

Please note that I figure you can make anything look good, so I don't take you pics so far as an indication of kit quality.

-Greg

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Posted by goldhammer on Friday, April 12, 2019 10:46 AM

Nice start.  As usual I know you will knock it out of the park.

 

Interesting side note (from "The Big E"), when Hornet and Enterprise got back to Pearl, the surviving TBD's were off-loaded and replaced with TBF's. There were around 13-15 of them and lined up side by side were the #7 planes from all three squadrons.  Either survived the attack or were not launched.

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Posted by philo426 on Friday, April 12, 2019 11:14 AM

very cool ...I wonder how it compares to the old Monogram kit like the one in  my Avatar?  

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, April 12, 2019 3:24 PM

goldhammer

Nice start.  As usual I know you will knock it out of the park.

 

Interesting side note (from "The Big E"), when Hornet and Enterprise got back to Pearl, the surviving TBD's were off-loaded and replaced with TBF's. There were around 13-15 of them and lined up side by side were the #7 planes from all three squadrons.  Either survived the attack or were not launched.

 

TBDs at Midway... on the morning of the 4th 41 were launched from the three US carriers. VT-8 launched 15, engaged first and were all shot down, with only Ensign Gay surviving. Any surviving TBDs from Hornet were ”spares” that were not launched. VT-6 from Enterprise launched 14, with 1 breaking down prior to launch. They attacked after VT-8, led by Gene Lindsey. Of the 14, 4 survived their strike on the Japanese carriers, and one of those ditched upon return. VT-3 from Yorktown launched 12 TBDs led by Lance Massey, and attacked with fighter escort. Their attack was at the end of its final run in as the dive bombers arrived and began their strike. Of the 12, 5 were able to drop, but only 2 escaped from their strike. Both of those TBDs had to ditch due to fuel exhaustion after they were turned away from recovering back on Yorktown due to the inbound Japanese dive bombers from Hiryu, and not having enough remaining fuel to reach Enterprise. 

TBDs were again launched on June 6 against Mogami and Mikuma, but with orders not to attack if heavy defenses were encountered. Per those orders they returned without attacking.

The TBD gets a bad rap due to Midway. Yet up until that morning it had performed well enough for an obsolete aircraft. In the early 1942 raids on the Gilbert and Marshall Islands, as well as at Wake, it did ok. Again at Lae and Tulagi, performance was acceptable. The fist day of Coral Sea was its finest moment, when they helped sink the carrier Shoho. On the second day of Coral Sea, against an equal opponent, and with fighter escort, they again performed well enough, only to be let down by their weapon, the Mk. XIII Torpedo. They suffered few losses, and nearly all returned to their carriers. But at Midway, two out of three squadrons were inexperienced, two out of three had no fighter escort, and they were flying outnumbered against the best naval fighter of the time flown by very battle experienced aviators. Had Hornet’s and Enterprise’s fighters stuck with them, instead of getting separated on the way out, more than likely, many more would have survived. 

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Rambo on Friday, April 12, 2019 6:01 PM
Looking good lawdog. GWH makes some great kits.

Clint

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Posted by Greatmaker on Friday, April 12, 2019 8:07 PM

Great start. The IP is fantastic. Those individual IP decals sure make a difference. How in the world did you hollow out those tiny barrels? 

 

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, April 12, 2019 8:40 PM
Stick Don't forget that the Torpedo's were also unreliable due to faulty firing pins in the warheads. Hits were reported but no detonations.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, April 12, 2019 9:01 PM

Mikeym_us
Stick Don't forget that the Torpedo's were also unreliable due to faulty firing pins in the warheads. Hits were reported but no detonations.
 

The Mk.XIII had multiple problems. Firing pins, steering, depth, etc. It wasn’t until 1944 that the bugs had been removed and it finally became the weapon that it should have been at the outbreak of war. Had proper testing been done before the war that is...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 9:47 PM

patrick206

Great start, Joe -

Fine detailng, too bad it's not available in 1:72, now that you've converted to the "one true scale." Bish would be so proud.

Hey, you're new hobby digs look great, the envy of about 95% of modelers.

Patrick

 

Thanks Patrick, havent seen you around, how have you been? Conversion not...going back to the bigger scales. The Lancaster was a one time thing. 

Ill be messing up the digs in no time. 

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 9:48 PM

Jay Jay
As always, your interior is looking great, and I'm looking forward to the rest of the build. TY for the history lesson as well. I wondered which aircraft was used on this torpedo mission since they got so destroyed during it.
 

Thanks Jay Jay

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 9:51 PM

Tosh

Next up, 1/32 lol!  Fantastic start!  Looking forward to more.  So ironic in that I was just reading up on the Midway Battle due to having six Avengers of which only one returned completely shot up as my WIP might not be about a Midway Avenger but interesting enough.  Your tutorials are awesome.

Your friend, Toshi

 

Thanks Toshi. 1/32 is becoming my preferred scale. A midway avenger is on my to do list. 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 9:52 PM

BrandonK

Great work, Joe. I have this exact kit and I am looking forward to watching you bring it to life.

BK

 

Thanks Brandon

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 9:55 PM

Greg

Looking awesome as usual, Joe. And thanks for the history/background.

I'd never heard of Great Wall Hobby 'til now. Any good?

Please note that I figure you can make anything look good, so I don't take you pics so far as an indication of kit quality.

 

Thanks Greg. Great Wall is relatively new to aircraft, but they are respectable. I’ve built three so far, FW189, P-61, now this one. 

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 9:58 PM

goldhammer

Nice start.  As usual I know you will knock it out of the park.

 

Interesting side note (from "The Big E"), when Hornet and Enterprise got back to Pearl, the surviving TBD's were off-loaded and replaced with TBF's. There were around 13-15 of them and lined up side by side were the #7 planes from all three squadrons.  Either survived the attack or were not launched.

 

Thanks Hammer. Yeah, it’s my understanding that they were essentially removed from front line service after this disaster. They were replaced by the Avenger. 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 10:00 PM

philo426

very cool ...I wonder how it compares to the old Monogram kit like the one in  my Avatar?  

 

Thanks Philo, no idea. I’m told the Monogram one isn’t have bad either. 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 10:02 PM

stikpusher

 

 
goldhammer

Nice start.  As usual I know you will knock it out of the park.

 

Interesting side note (from "The Big E"), when Hornet and Enterprise got back to Pearl, the surviving TBD's were off-loaded and replaced with TBF's. There were around 13-15 of them and lined up side by side were the #7 planes from all three squadrons.  Either survived the attack or were not launched.

 

 

 

TBDs at Midway... on the morning of the 4th 41 were launched from the three US carriers. VT-8 launched 15, engaged first and were all shot down, with only Ensign Gay surviving. Any surviving TBDs from Hornet were ”spares” that were not launched. VT-6 from Enterprise launched 14, with 1 breaking down prior to launch. They attacked after VT-8, led by Gene Lindsey. Of the 14, 4 survived their strike on the Japanese carriers, and one of those ditched upon return. VT-3 from Yorktown launched 12 TBDs led by Lance Massey, and attacked with fighter escort. Their attack was at the end of its final run in as the dive bombers arrived and began their strike. Of the 12, 5 were able to drop, but only 2 escaped from their strike. Both of those TBDs had to ditch due to fuel exhaustion after they were turned away from recovering back on Yorktown due to the inbound Japanese dive bombers from Hiryu, and not having enough remaining fuel to reach Enterprise. 

TBDs were again launched on June 6 against Mogami and Mikuma, but with orders not to attack if heavy defenses were encountered. Per those orders they returned without attacking.

The TBD gets a bad rap due to Midway. Yet up until that morning it had performed well enough for an obsolete aircraft. In the early 1942 raids on the Gilbert and Marshall Islands, as well as at Wake, it did ok. Again at Lae and Tulagi, performance was acceptable. The fist day of Coral Sea was its finest moment, when they helped sink the carrier Shoho. On the second day of Coral Sea, against an equal opponent, and with fighter escort, they again performed well enough, only to be let down by their weapon, the Mk. XIII Torpedo. They suffered few losses, and nearly all returned to their carriers. But at Midway, two out of three squadrons were inexperienced, two out of three had no fighter escort, and they were flying outnumbered against the best naval fighter of the time flown by very battle experienced aviators. Had Hornet’s and Enterprise’s fighters stuck with them, instead of getting separated on the way out, more than likely, many more would have survived. 

 

Thanks for stopping in Stik, yeah, it’s my understanding they went from state of the art to obsolete in 6 years. 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 10:03 PM

Rambo
Looking good lawdog. GWH makes some great kits.
 

Thanks Rambo. Indeed they do

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 10:11 PM

Greatmaker

Great start. The IP is fantastic. Those individual IP decals sure make a difference. How in the world did you hollow out those tiny barrels? 

 

Thanks Robert. I like the individual dials too. The barrels come hollow. How come GW can do it but Tamiya can’t. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, April 12, 2019 10:15 PM

Lawdog, i am a big fan of the TBD. I have built many of the old 1/72 Airfix and 1/48 Monogram kits. I’m looking forward to see how you build this one. I saw that you already noticed the shoulder harness issue. 

Cdr Waldron’s mount is a very worthy build and tribute to those brave Naval Aviators of the ill fated torpedo squadrons.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 12, 2019 10:22 PM

stikpusher

Lawdog, i am a big fan of the TBD. I have built many of the old 1/72 Airfix and 1/48 Monogram kits. I’m looking forward to see how you build this one. I saw that you already noticed the shoulder harness issue. 

Cdr Waldron’s mount is a very worthy build and tribute to those brave Naval Aviators of the ill fated torpedo squadrons.

 

Glad to have you along stik. I did considerable research before I started bit, I likely missed some stuff. I’m glad to have your assistance and any input is much appreciated. 

I’m also doing a pre-war version as well, but I wanted to do this one first. 

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Posted by waikong on Friday, April 12, 2019 10:55 PM
Wow, very nice frontoffice work. Great job on the be!ts.

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Posted by richs26 on Saturday, April 13, 2019 12:31 AM

Very nice job on the interior.  The colorplate you show is pretty accurate with the scalloped  plywood box around the torpedo fins which was developed and tested in late 1941.  TBD's, TBF's, and B-26's used torpedoes with them.  Does the kit come with them, or will you have to manufacture them?  One thing that is wrong in the colorplate is that the torpedo rear section was covered in a bronze colored grease as seen in the May 1942 colored film and photos of TBD launches.

 

WIP:  Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 73rd BS B-26, 40-1408, torpedo bomber attempt on Ryujo

Monogram 1/72 B-26 (Snaptite) as 22nd BG B-26, 7-Mile Drome, New Guinea

Minicraft 1/72 B-24D as LB-30, AL-613, "Tough Boy", 28th Composite Group

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, April 13, 2019 9:04 AM

Joe, thanks for your feedback regarding Great Wall kits.

I see Clint mentioned he likes them too, thanks to you too.

-Greg

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, April 15, 2019 2:58 PM

waikong
Wow, very nice frontoffice work. Great job on the be!ts.
 

Thanks!

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, April 15, 2019 3:02 PM

richs26

Very nice job on the interior.  The colorplate you show is pretty accurate with the scalloped  plywood box around the torpedo fins which was developed and tested in late 1941.  TBD's, TBF's, and B-26's used torpedoes with them.  Does the kit come with them, or will you have to manufacture them?  One thing that is wrong in the colorplate is that the torpedo rear section was covered in a bronze colored grease as seen in the May 1942 colored film and photos of TBD launches.

 

 

Thanks Rich. Yes the kit comes with the plywood box. It even has woodgrain which should paint up nicely. I’ll have to see if I can find that color footage. 

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