Airfix B17G to B17F 1/72 update. memphis belle

nkm1416@info.com.ph

Beautiful Belle! I must admire also the conversion of the G to F.

 

Thanks! The conversion went well but unsure if I would tackle it again. In saying that the airfix model is really great in many aspects  so I feel it was worth the effort. 

And thanks guys for the input on the camo. Finding enough photos of the prototype to copy was a challenge!

Cheers,

Josh

Excellent work. The camo looks spot on. Well done.

BK

awesome B-17 . the camo is 

Been a while since an update but thought I would finalise this thread. I've had 12 months of being exceptionally busy and had no time to fit in any modelling. the last couple of months I have endeavoured to finish this project.

I ended up pushing towards a more accurate version of the Belle rather then the movie version. when I was applying the decals the 'Memphis Belle' movie script on the nose bothered me so I changed direction. the conversion from a B17 G went well overall. the tailgunners position I made just too short and the windows in the top of the nose are more correct for the movie version Belle, not the real aircraft but are close. This is to be a gift so the minor discrepancies are of little concern and hopefully the build captures the spirit of the prototype. 

The model is wired so all props turn, individual switches for each engine are at the bottom of the frame work. Being my second aircraft build in many years hopefully you guys don't find the build to bad. 

Josh_the_painter

Once again seems I can't thank you enough! 

And hopefully these are a good resource for others to. Interesting so much black in the cockpit. I can see hints of green. I wonder if everything was sprayed over black at a later date or if the greens flaked off the top.

Josh

 

Not a problem, glad I can help!  Anything else you need feel free to let me know!  Everything behind the cockpit is green.  Great work so far by the way!

Once again seems I can't thank you enough! 

And hopefully these are a good resource for others to. Interesting so much black in the cockpit. I can see hints of green. I wonder if everything was sprayed over black at a later date or if the greens flaked off the top.

Josh

Okay, I went through my pics and found a few of the cockpit instrument panel.  Hopefully these help answer your question.

Let me take a look through my pics of the cockpit and see if I can answer that question.  I have all my pics on a different computer that's at my bench in my bedroom.  I would assume they are labeled.  I've been in the cockpit on start up to, and just never paid attention, lol. 

Keyda81

I feel very fortunate to be a part of it all.  My daughter was with me on that flight as well.  We were actually heading to Rochester to get gas, so she sat up front on the way there, and we traded spots on the way back to the museum. 

Any areas of the plane you aren't quite sure about, just shoot me a PM, and I'll get you whatever pics you need.  I don't think she's changed too much since the movie, other than the addition of some seats from a C-130 so they could do ride flights.

 

What a great experience getting the littlein up there to! I hope she enjoyed it.

Once again most appreciated. As I progress onto the external paint I may be in need of your services. One question I have been trying to find an answer for however are which engines are started in relation to the switches. I know theres 4 switches but dont know if theyre in the same orientation as the engines on the wings.. IE far left switch starts far left engine etc or a different orientation. Im adding motors to the props and thought it would be a cool to have them switch as in reality.

Josh

I feel very fortunate to be a part of it all.  My daughter was with me on that flight as well.  We were actually heading to Rochester to get gas, so she sat up front on the way there, and we traded spots on the way back to the museum. 

Any areas of the plane you aren't quite sure about, just shoot me a PM, and I'll get you whatever pics you need.  I don't think she's changed too much since the movie, other than the addition of some seats from a C-130 so they could do ride flights.

Excellent results with the surgery on the waist gun positions Josh! I did something similiar to a 1/48 B-17 I built a couple of years back and know what a pita it is! Thats great that you and your Grandfather have some common intrests to talk about, sure its very comforting to Him. Best wishes Trey

Keyda81

I just happen to volunteer at the museum where "Movie Memphis Belle" spends her summers.  I plan on building a 1/48 replica of her over the winter, so I have tons of pictures if you need any. 

Pic I took from the nose in July.

Starting up for a ride flight.

 

Wow! Thanks so much for sharing. It must be exciting not only working for the museum but getting to fly in her. Those photos are great thank you. I can see details I wasnt aware of. Any photos are helpful. 

It amazes me how much the cowling takes a beating around the engine and exhaust on the B17s. Im unsure if its handling or from heat cycles. 

I look foward to seeing your build when it comes time.

Josh

Mopar Madness

I sure like the look of that wood interior.

 

Thank you! I had hoped it would come off ok. And surely I'll  improve at the effect the more I try. 

Josh

I just happen to volunteer at the museum where "Movie Memphis Belle" spends her summers.  I plan on building a 1/48 replica of her over the winter, so I have tons of pictures if you need any. 

Pic I took from the nose in July.

Starting up for a ride flight.

I sure like the look of that wood interior.

nkm1416@info.com.ph

I would suggest get the new tool Revell B-17F Memphis Belle kit which is about the same standard as the Airfix new tool B-17G. The Academy B-17F is a late F version. The Belle is an early F.

 

Thanks for the info. Im going to keep it in mind for future builds.

I was nearly going to take the plunge and purchase another kit. A big part of any builds for me is to learn and further my skills so challenges I welcome.

Since it turns out I got the movie decals for the Memphis Belle I decided to do some research. I couldn't quite work out at first why the nose was different on the movie plane with no guns and a few other discrepencies. Then I find the B17s used for the film were Gs that had been dressed to look like Fs. Kept the nose and the top turret (which I understand to be taller on a G?) but removed and sheeted the lower turret in the nose, and reworked the tail ends. So to be somewhat accurate to a film version I need to work with a G model anyway it seems.

First things first I set about moving the waist guns into the correct position by cutting out two sections and swapping them. began out reasonably neat, made a bit off a mess gluing them in but a relocated down a little lower, ammo box disguises a few sins. hardly see anything inside anyhow once closed up. I still have finishing externally.

I had already painted the bomb bay silver and decided to leave it that way however the remainer of the waist I did in green to simulate footage of the film aircraft.

I worked on filling the astrodome hole and the cut away in the nose for the lower turret. i achieved this by taping the halves together, putting foil tape behind the hole and wiping in sprue melted in MEKP. once setting I ran a blade down the middle and separated the two halves.

I continued work on the remainder of the interior to get things closed up.

thanks for looking!

Josh

TREYZX10R

The office came out really great Josh! Sorry to hear about your Grandfathers illness

 

Thank you on both accounts. 

Illness is always hard for families, in my case my grandfather and I are both in the automotive trade so we get along quite well. Its been positive Ive been able to visit him a bit lately and as we can 'car talk' and I can pick his brain about vintage cars he gets a real kick out of it.

In regards to the office, I have moved onto the bomb bay area today and had aluminium to paint. I got motivated and pulled out the airbrush. I think considering better results and clean ups not really any harder than my brushes I need to stick to the airbrush more often. Ive been using the humbrol acrylics. They smell like a latex base. Im pretty impressed with them overall.

Josh

The office came out really great Josh! Sorry to hear about your Grandfathers illness

Jay Jay

Very clever making the seat cushions from masking tape. They came out convincing looking. I'll have to remember that trick and TY for posting. I'll be following along so I can learn some more from your inventive skills Mate

 

Thanks! Im glad you found some interest. A bit more effort I think they would look better again but to my eye they're convincing, close up photos show minor details I cant see however.

Justin your right about all the surgery to be done. I think most of it shouldnt be a problem. There will be gaps to fill but in 1/72 they're not actually that big, the tail section canopy can be shortened and the tail filled. 

I did look at the other 1/72 kits and read ok reviews on the Revell kit and good reviews on the academy kit but the inclusion of the incorrect astrodome on the nose bothered me and I thought I would have to fill that anyway.

Just for thought on the decals it's just clicked with me theyre the movie version, not the real life version which are different. I had wanted the true to life version however as a gift, these will be ok.

Josh 

Well, the decals are easy enough to source without buying any specific kit, aren't they?  I would expect there to be sets of the "Memphis Belle" in 1/72 available from most of the major decal makers.

I have to second John Eaton's observation, though-there's a good deal of work to convert a -G back to a -F.

Ahhh.  Mine is the Pacific theater version.

goldhammer

 

 

Justinryan215

I believe it is academy that has a -17F in Memphis Belle livery available, if you dont want to go too indepth removing the chin turret and all the other surgeries needed to convert the -G to a -F...

 

 

 

 

I'd 2nd the Academy "F".  No Belle decals but you already have that covered.  I have that kit and it looks noice, but haven't dug into it yet.

 

My kit has the Belle decals....

Justinryan215

I believe it is academy that has a -17F in Memphis Belle livery available, if you dont want to go too indepth removing the chin turret and all the other surgeries needed to convert the -G to a -F...

 

I'd 2nd the Academy "F".  No Belle decals but you already have that covered.  I have that kit and it looks noice, but haven't dug into it yet.

Lot's of work to make that kit into an F.  You'll not only have the chin turret and cheek windows to deal with, but it also has staggered waist guns and the Cheyenne tail turret that were not F attributes.

I believe it is academy that has a -17F in Memphis Belle livery available, if you dont want to go too indepth removing the chin turret and all the other surgeries needed to convert the -G to a -F...