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lockdown glue and putty?
Posted by Theuns on Friday, April 24, 2020 12:09 AM

With our lockdown being extended for a long time still , modling is (for now) helping to keep me at DEFCON 2 sanity level....

I have loads of kits but tamiya extra thin cement running low.

What other chemicalt can I use in place of tamiya? I have heard of uperglue , never used this to actually build models, just fil seams ect. How well does it bond large seams and how does it  sand?

Acetone I understand also melts plastic, but cn be very "fast" and Hot, anyont ever try to "slow it down and be less hot" by thinning it with something?

What about nail pollish remover, that has some acetone in it but maybe less hot??

Lacure thinners??

 

I need some ideas please. I can see that normal shops here will not opn any time  soon :-(

 

Theuns

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Posted by keavdog on Friday, April 24, 2020 2:00 AM

If you have a hardware store open, weldon acrylic adhesive is great.  Hotter than tamiya but very thin. 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, April 24, 2020 3:23 AM

Go to a hardware store and get a jug of MEK (methyl ethyl ketone).  It's in the paint thinner isle. I switched to it and it works great, definitely as good if my better than Tamiya extra thin.  It think it's actually the same thing.  Here's the one I use. 

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Posted by BrandonK on Friday, April 24, 2020 10:05 AM

MEK may work, but I would HIGHLY discourage its use. It is a dangerous substance that has numerous heatlh effects. As modelers we tend not to wear respirators, eye shields and gloves while gluing kits up, so using this material is not safe. It is not the same as Tamiya Extra thin, it is altogether different. Although it may work well, the safety to ones long term health is not worth it. 

https://www.des.nh.gov/organization/commissioner/pip/factsheets/ard/documents/ard-ehp-33.pdf

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2016-09/documents/methyl-ethyl-ketone.pdf

You would be better served to find a source of a cement that is safe and have it shipped in, even if it takes longer than normal. Ebay may be a good source to find such things and still get them shipped out in a reasonable time frame. Your health is more important than building kits.

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Posted by B-17 Guy on Friday, April 24, 2020 11:09 AM
I’m honestly curious about where you are that your lockdown has been extended and for how long? I’m in Ohio and the powers that be were saying yesterday that they’re gonna start opening back up on 1 may.
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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, April 24, 2020 11:31 AM

I think he lives in South Africa.

For putty, I use Bondo spot and glazing compound. It is one-part, in a sort of toothpaste tube.

I also discourage MEK, maybe you will have to resort to CA.

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Posted by Ted4321 on Friday, April 24, 2020 11:32 AM

I saw more than one online source that has the tamiya stuff available. 

T e d

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Posted by EdGrune on Friday, April 24, 2020 11:44 AM

GMorrison

I think he lives in South Africa.

For putty, I use Bondo spot and glazing compound. It is one-part, in a sort of toothpaste tube.

I also discourage MEK, maybe you will have to resort to CA.

The Bondo putty mentioned is an auto parts store item.  The one-part kind, Bondo-Red, is very much like Dr Microtools red putty, or any of the other solvent pased butties (Squadron, Tamiya).   Bondo also sells a two-part catalyzed epoxy putty.   You will find them in the body repair section.   While you're there, look at their selection of fine grit sandpapers.   Less expensive than your model-specific item.  You can also find 2-part catalyzed putties at the hardware store paint supply aisle.   In addition to Bondo brand there is Evercoat brand available in a quart-sized tin.   

I've used MEK.   Use with caution.   Use with plenty of ventilation.  Limit potential skin exposure.  It is a fantastic plastic solvent.

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Posted by Est.1961 on Friday, April 24, 2020 12:10 PM

I went on Amazon for Vallejo Air colour yellow and Air flow improver, be warned came away with a 1/72 Sunderland Mklll and a 1/72 Corsair. 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, April 24, 2020 12:17 PM

LOL!

"Honey, a box came for you. What's in it?".

"Stuff".

"What kind of stuff?".

"Stuff stuff".

I've never seen a honeydew list so long in my life, but it does keep me busy.

 

Bill

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Posted by Rick Sr on Friday, April 24, 2020 12:32 PM

Bill, I've been using two part epoxy. How is the bondo spot and glazing working for you? It sounds like it may be easier.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, April 24, 2020 2:26 PM

I have used both acetone and mek as solvent cements.  I prefer the Tamiya cement, but if the lockdown continues beyond when I run out of my existing glue I will probably return to one of those from the hardware store.  However, that would be awhile.

I generally use CA for most modeling work.  I use two types, the thin and the gel stuff. I only use the thin for very tight smooth joints, as it will not fill even a thin gap.  I mostly use the gel CA, which in addition to working on most reasonable joints, also delays setting for several minutes.  I only use the liquid cement where I want a longer setup time, such as two fuselage halves, where you need extra time to align and clamp the joint.

For a CA glue, I use Locktite, a general purpose brand that is available in hardware and general merchandise stores, so I still have access to that. 

Paint is my big problem at the moment.  I sure do like some brands of model paint.  I use mostly enamels, and am thinking of picking up a can of hardware store enamel and learn how to use it on models.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by ikar01 on Friday, April 24, 2020 3:33 PM

You should stay away from M.E.K.  My wife used to be a C-130 crew chief and wouild use tha stuff on her aircraft.  One night she showed up at my door, pretty wiped out, I was surprised that she managed to drive to my barrracks without crashing.  I walked her to her barracks, slipped in through the end door and got her into her room where she crashed.  When she finally woke up she had no idea how she got there or of anything else that night, not even being at work.  She was lucky one of the guys I worked with didn't pull her over for suspected D.U.I.  The report of the stop would have worked its way to her commander and that could have been bad.

Outside of the fumes, M.E.K. absorbes through the skin, it's just not safe to use, especially inside the house without major ventilation and good srong gloves thast won't melt or soak it up.

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Posted by Theuns on Saturday, April 25, 2020 12:10 AM

Yup Im in South Africa and we will go from stage 5 lockdown (total) to stage 4 by May, this means only some essencial services and stores open. Now even hardware stores may ONLY sell emercincy plumbing and electrical supplies, no painting stuff.

We cant get straight MEK here anyway, and in my "real job" I am eposed to the stuff more than I want to , atleast my corpce wil be well preserved oneday LOL

I have lacure thinners here but have not tried it yet. I dug into my cupcoards and found a little bit of MiG cement to carry on with , but it is allot faster than tamiya.

No deliveries of online stuff now I am afraid :-(

As for putty, I have Tamiya grey now, but all of the automitive paint guys are also closed for I recon minimum another month or 2 so I will have to work sparingly.

 

I have no idea how our economy is gong to survive this extended lockdown, this may be the final nail in the for us....

 

Thanx for the feedback

 

Theuns

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, April 25, 2020 12:41 AM

Rick Sr

Bill, I've been using two part epoxy. How is the bondo spot and glazing working for you? It sounds like it may be easier.

 

As Ed sed, it's a lot like Tamiya Gray putty. You squeeze it out of a tube onto your palette and then put it on the model. One part, dries really quickly, sands well.

A tube about the size of a pickle costs less than $ 10. I get mine at the local Ace hardware store.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by ikar01 on Sunday, April 26, 2020 2:24 PM

Sounds like you are a prime candidate for cremation already.  watch out for open flames.

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