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                        A/C Battles That Never Happened

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 25, 2003 8:41 AM
                        I'd surely take the MiG-21 over the F-104 any day! Funny thing is that both were born from American & Soviet pilots wanting a lightweight high performance fighter after their experience in the Korean war. The Russians certainly got it right. One went on to be the most widely used jet fighter. The other, well, just buy some land and wait. About all I ever thought the F-104 was good for was as an airshow display a/c.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:57 AM
                        Hi there guys!!!
                        The IAF shot down all four Pakistani F104s(armed with AA missiles and leased from Jordan)! Our MiGs were only armed with crude russian rockets and all the F104s were shot down using GUNS!!!! Hats off to those great warriors!! Thank you JGUIGNARD!! But A Me262 with the Meteor would definitly be worthwhile dogfight!!

                        Or a MiG29/Su27 with an F16 (Guns only!)!!

                        Cheers,
                        Nandakumar
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                        BlackWolf3945
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Pominville, NY
                        Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:40 AM
                        Okay, now for the real hypotheticals...

                        These are not fantasy dogfights I'd like to see, these actually COULD have occured.

                        P-80 vs. Me 262 - A couple of early P-80's were deployed to Europe (Italy) during WWII but never saw combat.

                        F-14A vs. NVAF MiG's - F-14's flew CAP during Operation Frequent Wind when Saigon was being evacuated.

                        F7F & F8F vs. Japs - Both types arrived literally days late to see combat in the PTO during WWII.

                        Okay, another one that was highly unlikely but that DID occur: L-4 Grasshopper vs Fi 156 Storch. Can you say stick 'yer Colt .45 out the window and blast those Krauts!? LOL Yes, it did happen...

                        (No comments about derogatory terminology, please. I'm half Kraut myself, just as I'm half Pollack. And remember, you don't have to be Polish to be a "pollack"...)

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                        BlackWolf3945
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Pominville, NY
                        Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:20 AM
                        WWII: Soviet Yak-9's (I think they were 9's) and USAAF P-51D's.

                        Okay, this one DID happen, but I doubt a great number of folks know about it. And it was kinda unusual, but nonetheless predictable...

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 16, 2003 1:36 PM
                        As far I'm aware ( *prepares to be corrected* !) there's never been an F-14/Su-27 interface,now that's something I'd pay a lot of money to watch. Er,from a safe distance obviously,preferably from my own F-14! I can but dream...
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 16, 2003 11:52 AM
                        A little late into the game but wouldn't a Ki 61Tony vs. Me 109 be more logical??? How about a Ta 152H vs a F4 Corsair
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:43 PM
                        I satand corrected with the MiG-21 vs F-104.

                        Thank You.

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                        caine
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                          April 2003
                        • From: Littleton,CO
                        Posted by caine on Monday, May 12, 2003 10:44 PM
                        I once played the flight sim USNF agains my best friends brother. I was in an A-4 Skyhawk with cannons and he was in an F-15 fully loaded for air-to-air combat....let's just say it was a good example of how "it's the pilot not the plane." Somehow I was able to come up behind and shoot him down.

                        Otherwise, I would have liked to see the P-80 or F-80 (what ever it was designated at the time) go up against the Me-262 over Germany. Or maybe against that flying wing the Germans were developing.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 12, 2003 9:17 PM
                        For the record, my wife thinks that she'd really want to see the Red Baron vs Snoopy.
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                        JGUIGNARD
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                          March 2003
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by JGUIGNARD on Monday, May 12, 2003 7:19 PM
                        Issah:

                        I believe that Mig-21's ( India ) actually did fight against F-104's ( Pakistan ). From what I recall reading, the Migs came out on top. Since the F-104 was meant to be a pure interceptor and not a dogfighter, the Migs were able to out-maneuver them.

                        Jim
                        Most of us are acquainted with at least one "know-it-all". He may be as close as the mirror. [}:)]
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 12, 2003 9:36 AM
                        Thunderchief vs Phantom II

                        F-104 vs MiG-21

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 12, 2003 8:43 AM
                        Kolja94, the problem would be... finding two servicable Tornado's at the same time!
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 12, 2003 7:37 AM
                        MiG-25's dashing out to intercept B-70's....
                        Fastest air combat ever.
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                        renarts
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                          April 2003
                        • From: Sunny Florida
                        Posted by renarts on Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:42 PM
                        Dogfight between Spectre gun ships.
                        Otherwise I too would like to see a Corsair in Europe.

                        Mike
                        Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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                        klem
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                          May 2003
                        • From: Fall River, MA
                        Posted by klem on Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:18 PM
                        HHmmmm..... Lets see....how bout this..
                        C-5's and AN-224's armed to the teeth fighting for air superiority! Use your imaginaton! Evil [}:)]
                        "We the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. We've been doing so much for so long with so little we are now capable of doing anything with nothing." Unknown
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                        John P
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Joisey
                        Posted by John P on Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:03 AM
                        My Dad once told me that some guys in his P-47 squadron were jumped by some Corsair pilots once in a severe case of mistaken identiy. The Jug pilots shot down 3 corsirs for no losses :D.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:02 AM
                        ME-109 vs. Fighting Falcon or any other such combo. NO MISSILES-GUNS ONLY
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                        Kolja94
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                          December 2002
                        • From: Oak Harbor, WA
                        Posted by Kolja94 on Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:59 AM
                        how 'bout a "modern day" Battle of Britiain....

                        Luftwaffe Tornados vs.... um, RAF..... Tornados...

                        OK, I'll think of something else Tongue [:P]

                        Karl

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                        Faris
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                          May 2003
                        • From: USA
                        Posted by Faris on Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:47 AM
                        I always thought about the F4U Corsair in the European theater or North African, against a Fw-190 or Bf-109.
                        Also see a Me-262 smoke a Meteor.
                        Maybe a German Amerika bomber over New York and the battles that would ensue.
                        The only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire.
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                        rdxpress
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                          May 2003
                        Posted by rdxpress on Saturday, May 10, 2003 10:53 PM
                        Hey All,
                        How about von Richtoffen vs Richard Bong in evenly matched aircraft?
                        or Hermann vs Arnold or Gargarin vs Glenn (mig 15- FJ Fury)
                        OR???????????????????????
                        Good Hunting,
                        rdxpress
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:47 PM
                        A6M Zero vs. Me-109

                        Me-262 vs. F-86 / MiG-15
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                        gregers
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                          February 2003
                        • From: UK
                        Posted by gregers on Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:12 PM
                        2 Boeing 747s armed with GAU8A AVENGER cannons???? Dont bare thinking about realy does it?.....Gregers p.s Yes i am one SICK puppy.
                        Why torture yourself when life will do it for you?
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        A/C Battles That Never Happened
                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:00 PM
                        Hello, all out there.

                        My friends and I (yes, even with modeling, I have friends) were discussing landmark planes the other day, when the topic came up of air combat battles that never took place, whether by alignment during wars, age differences, or other factors. So, I pose the question to you, the experts.

                        In your opinion, what would be the greatest air-to-air dogfight that never actually took place? The aircraft in question don't necessarily have to be from the same era, mind you. Please, although it was a great movie, no references to "Final Countdown." (If you haven't seen it, GO DO IT!)

                        My vote would have to be a J7W1 Shinden vs Dornier Do335A/B Pfeil. Just the aerial acrobatics alone would be worth it!

                        Any takers?

                        demono69
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