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Lublin R-XIII Reference
Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Sunday, May 25, 2003 2:36 AM
Greetings and Salutations all!

I'm in dire need of help with reference for the Lublin R-XIII, a Polish reconnaissance, liason and army co-op aircraft from the 30's.



I have a few of the 48th Model Do Sklejania kits of this a/c (currently kitted by Mirage) and would like to build both the wheeled and float variants.

I have very little reference on this bird, only a few photos in misc rag articles and a brief mention in the Squadron PAF book. I've also done an exhaustive search on the net for info on this one and have found nothing of value to the modeler.

I'm hoping that someone might know of a site that deals with either this aircraft specifically, or with the Polish AF in general. As I said, I've spent quite some time looking myself and have found almost nada.

More importantly, I'm also hoping someone knows of an existant publication dealing with this a/c which I can lay my hands on.

What I'm interested in is primarily colors and markings info and interior details.

Any help along these lines, especially in finding a book, will be greatly appreciated.

TIA

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:48 AM
Apart from a review of the kit in an old issue of Scale Aircraft Modelling, I have just about nothing, but I'll search!
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Posted by Woody on Sunday, May 25, 2003 10:24 AM
I'll see what I can dig up as well.Smile [:)]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:47 PM
Smile [:)]I too have this kit and would be interested in any references. I intend to build the float plane version. I do have a PE set by Part. I have managed to determine that the interior was silverSmile [:)]
Mal
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 25, 2003 2:27 PM
Here is what IPMS Stockholm lists as the R-XIII colors:

Light Khaki - Upper surfaces of fighter and reconnaissance aircraft. Also present
in Lublin R-XIII camouflage. FS30118.
Light Olive - Upper camouflage of R-XIII. FS34151.
Dark Green - Upper camouflage of R-XIII. FS34097.
Ochre - Upper camouflage of R-XIII. FS33245.
Light Blue - Lower surfaces of R-XIII. FS35550.
Silver - Lower surfaces of reconnaissance aircraft (even some R-XIII) and cockpit
interiors.

Hope this will do the trick.Wink [;)]

Pete
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Posted by Woody on Sunday, May 25, 2003 6:32 PM
All the reference I have come across call for all silver on the float plane. Blackwolfscd did you get my email?Big Smile [:D]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:37 PM
Thanks for the info, fellas! Very helpful and hopefully I can find some photos to go along with all of this. Speaking of...

Woody, yes, I got your email. Have sent a reply and appreciate the scans! Hopefully I can get my hands on a copy of this book.

Thanks 2 Much, all!

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Posted by Woody on Monday, May 26, 2003 12:21 AM
Not a problem after all the info you have passed on to me. I am sorry about the size of the attachments, I didn't think they were that big. By the way I have a 3 view drawing of the observers Vickers machine gun from another Polish site. Are you going to post the fruits of your labors? Best regardsSmile [:)]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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Posted by Aleksander on Monday, May 26, 2003 5:46 AM
Could you specify what kind of references do you need ? As I know, there is no special monography about that (quite interesting) plane, but I have few books with pictures and drawings - I can copy some of them to you ! Aleksander

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:33 AM
Aleksander,

Ah, thanks too much! I'm mainly looking for photos of the cockpit and the gunner/observer's position. Any other detail photos such as the engine and landing gear would be helpful, as well.

Also, any good overall photos of the wheeled aircraft in camouflage would be helpful. That's the variant I'd like to start with.

These fine folks here have given me some great info on the colors and such, but I never can get enough reference, especially photos.

Woody,

Thanks for the scans, again. I had seen that web page and passed over it, not reading Polish I didn't notice that it had a link to download the whole deal. I went back, found it and got the whole thing. THANKS!

schmeter pit,

Thanks alot for the color info. Is this on the IPMS Stockholm site? I'll have to go back and look a little more closely. They always seem to have alotta NEAT stuff there.

Holdfast,

I didn't know that Part had some PE for this one. I shall go hunting soon!

And yes, of course, I'll post some photos. I hope to have this one done in a decent amount of time. I'm gonna take it easy and not go as nuts as I am sometimes apt to do.

Thanks all, this was a tough one. Any other info is still welcome.

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Posted by Aleksander on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:43 AM
OK blackwolfscd - I will find something for you (please let me know your e-mail address) - but it can take a little time - please be patient ! . BTW - you can also find something about that plane under this address: http://www.squadron.com/old/lubr13d/lubr13dreview.htm
Regards! Aleksander

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Posted by Aleksander on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:45 AM
I found your address in your Profile - I will start to copy tomorrow ! Aleksander

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Posted by Aleksander on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:10 AM
Anotherplace, where you can find some pictures of Lublin R-XIII ter (hydro: http://www.modelarstwo.org.pl/lotnicze/galeria/golebiewski/lublin/index.html Regards! Aleksander

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:38 PM
Blackwolfcd - Yes, you will find this on the IPMS Stockholm site as follows:

Go into Color Charts under Helpdesk. Then-
Urban Fredriksson's Color Reference Charts - Part I. Then-
Scan down to Authentic Color by Country. Then-
Colors of the Polish Air Force between 1919 and 1939.

You might want to print all of these color charts. I did, and now keep them in a 3-ring binder along with the IPMS Color Cross-Reference Guide. Everything is right there without having to go on-line.

Pete


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Posted by Aleksander on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:39 AM
Hi blackwolf - the colour for hydro version (R-XIII ter) is FS 34410 (except silver front). Aleksander. Today I've made some scans for you and will try to send them - if I will not succeed, I will try later on !

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Posted by Aleksander on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:44 AM
Well - again - I should ask you for your e-mail address - I can't send .jpg files via Finescale (or at least I don't know how to do it). Aleksander

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:15 PM
OOPS!

Sorry Aleksander, forgot about that!

My email: blackwolfscd3945@aol.com

THANKS 2 MUCH!

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Posted by Aleksander on Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:17 AM
Hi B-wolf (BTW you have a very long nick ;o))) - yesterday I tried to send you few pictures - I have no idea you've got them or not (my e-mial box in my job doesn't work good) - so I will try to send them to you today again! Aleksander

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:34 AM
Aleksander,

I just haven't gotten around to answering all my email yet! I got the scans, they came thru fine.

All I can say is THANKS! They will sure help alot. I have one question, though. In the pilot's cockpit, is that a wheel I see instead of a control stick?

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Posted by Aleksander on Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:53 AM
As I know - in prototype yes (the upper left photo), but in serial A/C there were control sticks. Aleksander

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Posted by Aleksander on Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:55 AM
About steering wheels and sticks - I found in one of my books, that steering wheel was mounted only in R-XIII bis/hydro (only 3 planes were built - Nr 701, 702, 703), and in hydro version of R-XIII D. Aleksander

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