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Vintage 70's ESCI 1/48 F-8E Crusader ***WIP***

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Vintage 70's ESCI 1/48 F-8E Crusader ***WIP***
Posted by Air Master Modeler on Sunday, April 8, 2007 5:02 AM

This is an old 70's ESCI kit I bought off E-bay. I started this kit about three weeks ago. This old bird required a complete re-scribe due to extream lack of detail. Cockpit was done with Eduard photo etch set for Monogram 1/48 F-8's since the kit only came with decals for the cockpit intruments. I had to add some plastic to the front panel and reshape to accommadate the Eduard PE front panel. HUD box is from scratch and the HUD Viewer (clear piece) is from the kit. I prepainted the PE front IP with MM acrylics and then highlighted the raised dials with a black sharpie pen before I set it place using Future as an adhesive. The IP hood cover I made from tin foil from a coffee can vacume seal and finished it off adding the PE levers to the front panel. Colors on front IP are light reflection from the Future undercoat when I took the pic, it is not painted on. The seat I had to kitbash a seat back from my F-4J (late model F-8E's and F-4's used the same Martin-Baker seat) then spliced it to the seat bottom the kit came with, painted accordingly and glued it in place.

All in all this is not a bad model for an old 70's kit and has gone together better than some of the Revell kits I have recently done. The styrene plastic used for molding this model is a lot softer and flexable then what is used today which made for a faster re-scribe. Although the kit lacks major detail in several areas the experinced modeler can coax out of it a good looking and well detailed Navy or Marines F-8E Crusader with just a little AM parts and some patience.

All comments and critiques welcome.

Air Master 












 

Rand

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, April 8, 2007 8:53 AM

AirMaster-

Lookin good so far!  I saw a "Dogfight" show on the History Channel Friday night about the F-8, and thought that I should get one for my collection.  I'll be keeping an eye on this build!

Frank 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, April 8, 2007 3:38 PM
Keep the updates coming! Your cockpit and scribing work looks very good! I have this kit in my stash from when it was newTaped Shut [XX] and am currently building the Monogram F-8 kit. Aren't there resin aftermarket seats available for the F-8?Was there much work in adapting the photo etch for this kit?

 

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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Sunday, April 8, 2007 7:20 PM

Daywalker, Stik, Thanks for the kind words.

Stik, The front panel in this kit is a two piece deal. you will need to add some scrap plastic to left and right side of the front panel and trace/outline the PE front panel on to it, then reshape it to conform to the PE panel before you apply the PE front panel to it. Make sure you apply the PE front panel smooth surface. Paint a white undercoat and brush on a thin coat of Future. The Eduard set comes with a clear vinyl plastic piece with the instrument details printed onto it, this must be applied before you add the PE front panel. You may either use white glue or future to apply this. I used Future for it's bond, protection and leveling qualities. True Details makes resin ejection seats for the F-8 ( Martin-Baker Mk-7 PN# 48405) but I did not have a set at the time and used what I had at hand. The best tools for the job is patience and taking your time.

Air Master

Rand

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Posted by wayne baker on Sunday, April 8, 2007 9:16 PM
I started this kit years ago, and never finished it.  The wings were warped, and my attempt to remove the warp didn't work.  Do you have a warp problem?  And not with the Enterprise!Big Smile [:D]

 I may get so drunk, I have to crawl home. But dammit, I'll crawl like a Marine.

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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Monday, April 9, 2007 5:17 AM

 wayne baker wrote:
I started this kit years ago, and never finished it.  The wings were warped, and my attempt to remove the warp didn't work.  Do you have a warp problem?  And not with the Enterprise!Big Smile [:D]

Wayne, I did not have any wing warp but, I did have warping on the fusalage which was causing the wings to sit to low and not align properly. I fixed this by adding tabs of scrap plastic inside to align the fusalage. On the wings I added more small scraps of plastic under wing where it mates to the fusalage. I kept test fitting and filing down the scraps till it seated right and sat flush to the rest of the fusalage and glued wings in place then applied a mother lode of putty to fill in the huge gaps. I still have a major sanding job to do on the top and underside of wings also sanding the spine to make it look properly aligned with the rest of it. Seems like alot of work for an old kit but believe me, I have built Revell kits with far worse problems. This old kit has gone together better than some Revell-Monogram kits I have done.

Air Master     

Rand

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Posted by berny13 on Monday, April 9, 2007 7:21 AM

 wayne baker wrote:
I started this kit years ago, and never finished it.  The wings were warped, and my attempt to remove the warp didn't work.  Do you have a warp problem?  And not with the Enterprise!Big Smile [:D]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto]  The warp was so bad in mine they looked like fish hooks.  In my attempt to get them straight I broke the wings.  The whole kit wound up in the trash. 

You are doing a good job on the kit.  Keep us posted on the final outcome.

Berny

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Monday, April 9, 2007 5:14 PM
Impressive stuff Airmaster.Thumbs Up [tup] I especially like how you did the I/P.
Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Monday, April 9, 2007 10:17 PM

Berny, Tango, Thanks for the encouraging words.

I had some major fit problems with the wings but managed to overcome that by adding scraps of plastic to wings where it mates to fusalage, test fitting and sanding scraps until I got the fit. The warp I encountered on the fusalage made one side of wings sit lower than the other and spine would not align. It took a large amount of putty and great deal of sanding but it went well. Managed to get wings on straight and flush with upper fusalage and the spine aligned.

Here are some more pics of last nights progress. All comments and critiques welcome.

Air Master





 

Rand

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Posted by eddie miller on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:37 PM

That is one good looking jet so far! Looking forward to see this one move forward. Do the wheel wells have any detail or are going to add some?

      Eddie  

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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:35 PM

Eddie,

Thanks for the compliment! There is raised detail on the side walls of the main gear and cieling of nose gear well. I'm going to try to highlight the detail after it's painted. Panel lines will be accented and will take a shot at weathering it. This Crusader will represent VF-162 "Hunters" from the USS Oriskany flown by Cmdr. Bellinger, the first U.S. Navy Mig Killer of Vietnam. Decals will be OOB and I'm going to add bare metal scuff plates for the horizontal stabs from scratch. I'll post more pics as I progress toward finishing it.

Next project is a second Crusader, 1/48 Monogram F-8E for VMF-122. Yup, a Marines Bird.Big Smile [:D]

Air Master

Rand

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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:09 PM

Todays progress,

Landing gear, doors, missiles and pylons painted. Nose and canopy/windshield went on. I've started masking and it's getting about that time to give it a primer paint coat. Going to go with AIM-9's on the double racks on each side. I'm hoping to have primer coat on tonight. So far it's turning out to be a darn fine model for an old kit. Pictures to follow soon.

Air Master

Rand

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:17 PM
well I have the Revell F-8 as well and the Lindberg F-8 kit both in 1/48 scale. And I have a Esci F-4 Phantom F-5  F-18 and Mirage in 1/48 scale. you probably could have had the wing in landing configuration as well since the wing was hinged in the rear and was raised in the front to act as a speed brake while landing.

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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:53 AM

Positioning the wings in landing position was not an option with this kit, the area between the actual wings are hollow. It was best to fit wings in static position with gear down or flight position without langing gear. I'll be displaying it as static with gear down.

Air Master

Rand

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Posted by RedCorvette on Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:52 AM

 Mikeym_us wrote:
well I have the Revell F-8 as well and the Lindberg F-8 kit both in 1/48 scale. And I have a Esci F-4 Phantom F-5  F-18 and Mirage in 1/48 scale. you probably could have had the wing in landing configuration as well since the wing was hinged in the rear and was raised in the front to act as a speed brake while landing.

Just as a matter of interest, the wing wasn't hinged to act as a speed brake but to increase the aerodynamic angle of attack of the wing and provide more lift at relatively slow carrier approach speeds.  Without the hinged wing the pilot would have had to have flown with such a nose up attitude that he'd have trouble seeing the flight deck over the nose.  It's one of those design features that make carrier aircraft so interesting.  It was similar in purpose to the extendable nose strut on the F4 that was used to provide a greater angle of attack for the wing during cat shots. 

BTW, the hinge mechanism on the F8 wing was interconnected with the slats and flaps.  If the wing is in the raised position, the slats and flaps should be down.  Again, it's to shape the wing in a high-lift configuration for landing.

Mark

 

 

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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:32 AM
 RedCorvette wrote:

 Mikeym_us wrote:
well I have the Revell F-8 as well and the Lindberg F-8 kit both in 1/48 scale. And I have a Esci F-4 Phantom F-5  F-18 and Mirage in 1/48 scale. you probably could have had the wing in landing configuration as well since the wing was hinged in the rear and was raised in the front to act as a speed brake while landing.

Just as a matter of interest, the wing wasn't hinged to act as a speed brake but to increase the aerodynamic angle of attack of the wing and provide more lift at relatively slow carrier approach speeds.  Without the hinged wing the pilot would have had to have flown with such a nose up attitude that he'd have trouble seeing the flight deck over the nose.  It's one of those design features that make carrier aircraft so interesting.  It was similar in purpose to the extendable nose strut on the F4 that was used to provide a greater angle of attack for the wing during cat shots. 

BTW, the hinge mechanism on the F8 wing was interconnected with the slats and flaps.  If the wing is in the raised position, the slats and flaps should be down.  Again, it's to shape the wing in a high-lift configuration for landing.

Mark

 

 

Red, You are correct and just to add mention, the speed break was located under the aircraft just ahead of the main landing gear. The wing lift was only used for landings and take off's.

Air Master 

Rand

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Posted by berny13 on Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:07 AM

The speed brake on the F-8 could be operated in flight from fully closed, fully extended and anywhere in between.  Once the landing gear was extended, the speed brake was limited in travel and could not be fully extended no matter how long the speed brake switch was held in the extend position.  If the speed brake was fully extended, and the landing gear handle was lowered, the speed brake would retract to the landing configuration, before the gear would extend. 

That is your lesson for today.  Propeller [8-]

Berny

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Posted by luke on Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:32 AM
Air Master - very impressive so far. I'm thinking of tackling the Monogram F-8E for a RF-8 conversion. Never re-scribed panel lines, so I like the detail you have done - it's given me some thoughts. I will be watching closely. Luke.
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:08 AM
you talking about the RF-8 the same type of aircraft that flew the mission over Cuba back in 62 that took the photos of the ICBM's in Cuba which started the Cuban missile crisis right?

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:31 AM

RF-8's flew low level recon flights for strike planning during the  later stages of the Cuban Missile crisis. The missiles in Cuba were MRBM and IRBM, not ICBM, models. ICBMs did not need to be that close to US soil. This presence of the missiles was discovered by high altitude U-2 surveillence flights. But yes, the RF-8 was a proto recon variant of this aircraft.

 

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Posted by goondman on Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:01 PM
AirMaster, can you provide me link regarding that scribing method. I have tried the eto link but I can't ever get through, the site is always saying it's under construction or something to that effect.

Thanks!
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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Friday, April 13, 2007 3:48 AM

The ETO boards have been out of commission for awhile now. I'm even a member there and cant get to them.

Rand

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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:40 PM

Progress update....

I have the Crusader all painted and now fine tuning the exterior detail. Just a few more things to get done and she will be ready for a Future coat and decals. Keep watch here, I will post new pics as soon as I can.

So far this F-8 looks FANTASTIC!

Air Master

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:50 PM
Looking forward to seeing more!Thumbs Up [tup]
Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Monday, April 16, 2007 6:17 AM

Here is a sneek peek of the Crusader, not much left to do and will be finished in a few more days.

This should hold you progress hounds over till it's finished.

Comments and critiques welcome.

Air Master

Rand

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WIP: Revell F-14B Tomcat, backdating to F-14A VF-32 1989 Gulf Of Sidra MiG-23 Killer "Gypsy 207".

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Posted by ALC on Saturday, August 31, 2019 9:00 AM
Hi Air Master I recently bought a 2nd hand of this kit, Esci 1/48 F8 crusader and found out it is missing its instruction. Was wondering if you would be kind enough to scan 1 copy for me? I can be contacted at andylchong@hotmail.com Thanks in advance. Regards Andy.
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