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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, March 31, 2008 1:41 PM

OOPS, sorry HK... it was on pg.18Whistling [:-^]

 

Mucker sent me an email with a question about it.  This is the answer I sent him with a more detailed explanation. 

 

Mucker:

 Here's what I've gleaned from your post:

1. Paint normal camo

2. Spray hairspray

     Is it aerosol or pump action hair spray?

    Will any hairspray do?

    How much do you use?

    Do you apply it only where you want it to peel?

 

3. Spray white wash (or top coat)

4. Peel

 

      How is best to do this?

 

Answer: (fairly long winded… sorry again)

 

1. Yup, finish the model as normal.  The things I have read say to use an enamel but if you use acrylics it would need to be sealed with something that won't have a reaction to the hairspray. Even though it is water based it has alcohol.  So a clear lacquer should do the trick.  And it does not have to be gloss. 

2. I believe any brand will work.  As far as spray or pump, I don't see why a pump wouldn't work as long is sprays a nice even mist.  Spray on a couple of light coats.  If it goes on too thick, it can crack when the top coat is applied.  This did happen to me and I took care of it peel just peeling it away in that area.  But it happened in a spot you don't want it if you are not doing something as beat to crap as the Hurricane.

Not sure if it was the hairspray I used or what but it looked kind of orange peel but dried smooth.  And no worries about the gloss/flat variation as this is unseen after the white was and the final flat coat.

I am going to try some form a pump bottle sprayed though the AB to see if it is better that way or a wasted step.

Since I was peeling the whole thing I covered it completely.  But I don't see why you couldn't spray a tiny bit say at a wing root to show the wear from climbing up to the cockpit. You will never get that fine control of the spray from the hairspray aerosol though.

3.  Yup. It has to be acrylic for this to work.  Spray it on with good coverage. 

4. I used a 1/2" brush on the stiff side.  Dip in water and tap off the excess.  Holding the bristles about perpendicular to the surface start "painting" the surface.  Since it is a plane I worked in a front to back direction  The water will get under the paint and it will dissolve the hairspray and the paint will start to flake off.  More water and wider brush... bigger flake. You will get used to the way it goes really quick.  Sometimes you need to kind of scrub a little to get spot you want to peel to get started.  Now it can be sealed for some washes and a final flat coat as usual.

 

 

 

Marc  

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Posted by hkshooter on Monday, March 31, 2008 11:05 AM

Marc, I just checked page 17 in the GB thread and saw the pics. I never did read how you did it though. Did I miss it? I'd like to know how you did the finish on this one.

HK

 

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Posted by MaxSheridan on Monday, March 31, 2008 10:13 AM

Wow! That plane looks like complete c**p!

That is what you were going for, right? Big Smile [:D]

Seriously, that is amazing.Thumbs Up [tup] Great job!

-Mark

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Posted by dlowman on Monday, March 31, 2008 10:07 AM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Absolutely stunning Marc. I agree with everyone who suggests that you should submit the technique to the mag. I would love to read up on how you did the stripping. Thanks for sharing. A master at work Bow [bow]

Dave

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, March 31, 2008 9:58 AM

Man, that is one beat-up whitewash! Very cool effect, Marc, and an outstanding build overall! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, March 31, 2008 8:09 AM

Thnaks very much guys.

 

 

Andy... go to any armor forum and search hairspray. The armor guys are a secretive bunch and you really have to pull the info out of them Wink [;)] I am working hard at infiltrating their ranks thoughWhistling [:-^]

Marc  

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Posted by ModelNerd on Monday, March 31, 2008 3:01 AM
Most unusual. I like to see things out of the ordinary. Great work on the finish Marc, looks very convincing. Teach those wacky Russians not to use fingerpaints on their planes!

- Mark

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, March 31, 2008 2:15 AM

Right back of the cockpit the fuselage is fabric over wood. I'd suspect that a wadda wadda might show a bigger difference on a sharp transition, in other words the "tail" aft of the cockpit would be one look while the wings would be another(?)

Very nice, and there was a French unit that flew for the Soviets for a while that had a/c in similar circumstances.

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Posted by Butz on Monday, March 31, 2008 1:29 AM

Hey Marc,

 The over all build is simply marvelous..!! I am really impressed on how the weathering turned out...

 I feel the way you achieved the over all appearance is definitely spot on in IMHOWink [;)]

btw,

 I recieved your package..!!! Thank you very very much my friend!!

Flaps up,

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Posted by Wulf on Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:15 PM

From a die-hard weathering fan (myself), that is outstanding work! One of the best faded white wash schemes I've seen. I would like to know your technique. You should do a tutorial on your website.

Andy 

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Posted by Bossman on Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:57 PM

Whoa !

That's awesome.  Very nice!

Chris

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:45 PM

thnaks very much everyone.  i appreciate yoru comments. 

 

 tigerman wrote:
Marc, I wonder how you pulled that off.....Whistling [:-^] None-the-less, it's beautifully executed. I love it.

Hmmmm? Tigerman… I have no idea Whistling [:-^].  And then I did a dot filter to tone down the marking after posting these pics.  Where did I get THAT idea???Wink [;)]

summit… the process is described near the bottom of page 17 in the Hurricane GB.  Search for hairspray and you get lots of hits with info.

Charles… yup it’s the Has. kit. 

Rick…  I thought so to but was hoping against hope that nobody would notice.  Too many pros ‘round here.  So I sanded to have the ribs show and put on a filter to lighten them.

 

Durr…Kit builder it correct.  These were passed on the Russians with their original Brit camo and I just white washed that.  The camo can be seen though the bare spot but not in the photos.

Jerry… yup sure is.  I think there are lots of uses on aircraft.  I am curious what it would look like with one color first then a second coat of the same thing but with a drop or 2 of white and then peel.

Marc  

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Posted by raptordriver on Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:30 PM
Thats a nice wethering job.

Andrew

 

 

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Posted by RadMax8 on Sunday, March 30, 2008 10:59 AM

Durr, I think that is green under the wings, not metal.

Marc, looks way cool. I can't believe you built another wingy thing. Is that plane really that far-fetched? I thought the Soviets used some Hurricanes early in thier war. You did a great job as usual, it's really cool to look at. I agree with Rick, maybe blend those markings in with the winter camo. Thanks for showing us how it's done! 

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Posted by 12Wings on Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:49 AM
Nice, you don't see too many models that look like that!
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Posted by Mark Joyce on Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:45 AM

Nice work as always, Marc!

Mark

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Posted by dragonfly on Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:21 AM

Looks great Marc...I like it very much. Did you use the hairspray thing??

Jerry

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Posted by Kit builder on Sunday, March 30, 2008 8:43 AM

I took it to be a heavily worn winter temporary finish, myself.

Looks great. 

If only....
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Posted by DURR on Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:59 AM

OK stupid question time

the peeled paint affect you have makes the plane out to appear metal underneath but the hurri

was a  fabric plane  with steel frame so the peeled paint thing would not appear proper

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Posted by DURR on Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:52 AM

 Summit wrote:
Very nice Marc, That plane looks Fantastic Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]. Question wouldnt the Star and other markings show the same type of worn and chipped away paint also ? Not being Critical , just curious as I have no clue .  Please do share the technique....Cool [8D]

 

 

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:49 AM

Excellrnt work Marc.  You might want to tone down the factory fresh markings to blend in with the overall weathered scheme, but other than that looks great.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by jwb on Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:30 AM

Dadgum, Marc..... that's awesome! And I'd be willing to bet that's a lot less "what-if" than you'd think!

You gotta share that trick..... beautiful work! 

Jon Bius

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Posted by cardshark_14 on Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:42 AM
 wing_nut wrote:

This is my entry to the Hawker Hurricane GB.  It is 100% what if and 100% OOB. I wanted to try this paint peeling technique the treadheads use and having seen some all beat to crap Russians planes I figured why not this one.  This should work great on a Japanese plane.

My friend, that would look fantastic on an Oscar or Tony!  I think I like this one the best of everything I've seen you do. Please, do tell us your secrets! Thumbs Up [tup] 

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Posted by ridleusmc on Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:26 AM

Anyone else see that bar just getting higher and higher.  Yes please share the painting technique.  In fact, submit it to the magazine.  The editors would love to see how you did that, and so would I. 

Now, doesn't a hurricane painted in Russian Markings look like it was designed by Russians?  You could call it a Mikoyan Hurrican or a Yakivlov Hurrican.  I'd figure that the English built it under lisence. 

Semper Fi,

Chris 

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Posted by gzt on Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:29 AM

LOL Frank you got it rith on the spot Smile [:)]

Nice job Marc. Really nice job !

Funny that Soviets never admitted what big help the lend-lease programm was to their war effort. 

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Posted by Daywalker on Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:58 PM

Excellent work as always Marc!  Man, your paintjobs just keep getting crappier and crappier.

Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Frank 

 

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:56 PM
Marc, I wonder how you pulled that off.....Whistling [:-^] None-the-less, it's beautifully executed. I love it.

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Posted by Summit on Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:34 PM
Very nice Marc, That plane looks Fantastic Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]. Question wouldnt the Star and other markings show the same type of worn and chipped away paint also ? Not being Critical , just curious as I have no clue .  Please do share the technique....Cool [8D]
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Posted by mucker on Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:22 PM

Marc that is simply awesome. If you don't share that technique I'm going...well, I'm going to cry Boohoo [BH]. and PUH-LEEZE don't pull put the giant penny on this one and tell me it's 1/144th! I don't know how you do it but you keep getting better and better...

Was that the Hasegawa kit?

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