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  • Member since
    April 2014
  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:46 AM

 

JB, some great detail in the cockpit, hard to believe it is 1/72. And it looks like you have been dudded – they didn’t give you the last three feet of the wing! I don’t recognise the colour scheme but it is coming along well – really nicely done.

 

Robert, the carrier looks really good, you have got to be happy with how well that is coming along

 

Harold, it was a shame that the first shot at the camo didn’t come out as planned cos the colours look spot on. Like the work you have done on the masking, looking forward to the result, you are getting a nice feather on the edges.

 

Tony, off to a good start with the Spitfire there.

 

The S.5 has been primed in black and the first of a number of metallic coats added. Had to do a bit of clean up after the first coat, so plenty to do yet.

 

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, December 7, 2021 11:22 AM

Harold, Tony, JBRaider, Piers: Those all look fantastic guys!!! Yes

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:54 PM

Remeber this date: December 7, 1941

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 2:14 PM

lostagain
Harold, it was a shame that the first shot at the camo didn’t come out as planned cos the colours look spot on. Like the work you have done on the masking, looking forward to the result, you are getting a nice feather on the edges.

Tony, JB, Lost, and Cliff, great work and thank you for your encouragement.

The process I used this time is nearly foolproof except on the vertical surfaces. If I wait too long after applying the masking putty to a vertical surface like the tail putty begins to sag, so I may need to do a two-step process in the future. Other than that, I will continue to use this method on my next model.

I will give the fresh paint a couple of days to dry and then mask of the camouflage surface so I can paint the Sky colour underneath the wings and fuselage.

Harold

 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 2:19 PM

LA, looking nice there. Thats going to be a fun scheme to do.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 2:20 PM

Nice work on the camo Harold.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 9:27 PM

Bish

Nice work on the camo Harold.

 

Thank you Bish. It feels wonderful to get pass this step in the process.

Harold

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  • From: West Texas
Posted by JBRaider on Thursday, December 9, 2021 5:23 AM

That S5 is looking good Lost, 

Harold your perseverance on the camo paid off, looking forward to the finished product.

A little research (I should have done this part first) shows that the camo should probably have been more of a light brown than a sand color but it is too late now...                  The decals are on, not many, it appears when these birds were repainted they did not have any stencils. That works for me as I have an edward Mk IX overtree that I can use those on.

 

  • Member since
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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, December 9, 2021 11:20 AM

Harold: Yeah, all that work you put into her is really showing up. Sharp job!!!

JB: Love that camo. Don't know if it's totally correct either but it looks sooooooo good!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, December 9, 2021 1:21 PM

Looks good, Harold.  I just bend up the edges of the masks a little to get the soft edge, but it looks like the clay works well too.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, December 9, 2021 1:22 PM

Nice work, JB.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Thursday, December 9, 2021 5:15 PM

jeaton01

Looks good, Harold.  I just bend up the edges of the masks a little to get the soft edge, but it looks like the clay works well too.

 

Nice finish JB and thank you for your encouragement. Cliff and John, I am planning to do the Sky colour in the morning. As you can see below the colour change at the leading edge of the wings is not very soft, but then the camouflage lines are not either, not as soft as I had wanted. Cliff, I tried to avoid directing paint into the putty, but it didn't work very well. I think I need more practice and hopeful I will get the results I am looking for in time.

John when you say "bend the masking up a little" I believe that would mean a little over spray of Sky would get on the edge of dark brown and green creating the soft edge you were taking about, is my understanding correct?

Harold

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, December 9, 2021 5:47 PM

That's right Harold.  And I only do that when the paper wants to rest too close to the surface.  Most of the time the paper rests up 1/32 or so and that seems to be about right.  The paint wants to be pretty well thinned, and low air pressure is also good.  One other thing I do is spray the edges first, aiming straight down or a little toward the center, and then fill in the center areas staying away from the edges.  The British used mats to paint the camouflage pattern so you want an indefinite demarcation, but not a real loose one like you would see on a USN tri-color scheme.  Here's a 1/48 ICM Mk XVI I did some time back.  I did a pretty hard line on the bottom, not sure if that is right on the fuselage except for the cowling, which is usually not blended because the belly part is a separate removable panel.

 

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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    September 2018
  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Thursday, December 9, 2021 9:16 PM

jeaton01

That's right Harold.  And I only do that when the paper wants to rest too close to the surface.  Most of the time the paper rests up 1/32 or so and that seems to be about right.  The paint wants to be pretty well thinned, and low air pressure is also good.  One other thing I do is spray the edges first, aiming straight down or a little toward the center, and then fill in the center areas staying away from the edges.  The British used mats to paint the camouflage pattern so you want an indefinite demarcation, but not a real loose one like you would see on a USN tri-color scheme.  Here's a 1/48 ICM Mk XVI I did some time back.  I did a pretty hard line on the bottom, not sure if that is right on the fuselage except for the cowling, which is usually not blended because the belly part is a separate removable panel.

 

 

John I really like the way you do your camouflage. It has that soft transition between colours in the camouflage pattern and between the lighter colour underneath and the darker camouflage colour on top at the edge of wings. It is a great example of what you have been talking about.

Thank you,

Harold

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  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Thursday, December 9, 2021 11:39 PM

I think your camo looks pretty good Harold. Neatly done.

Here's a progress update on my Airfix Spitfire. I really like the office in this kit.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, December 10, 2021 9:07 AM

Tony: She's coming along beautifully!

Harold: I think you've got it- that looks great!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Friday, December 10, 2021 8:42 PM

Gamera

Tony: She's coming along beautifully!

Harold: I think you've got it- that looks great!

 

Tony, it looks like you're ready to seal-the-deal and glue the fuselage together. Nice work, looking forward to seeing the finished model.

JB, I don't know anything about colours for your Spitfire, but you did a nice job on the paint and decals.

Cliff, thank you my friend. I am waiting for the Sky colour to dry a little before I remove the masking to see what trouble I may have got myself into. Not really, John has guided me carefully through this major painting step and I feel good about how it will look when all is revealed.

In the meantime, I popped the protective canopy off my cockpit and behold no major problems. When does that ever happen? Next step is to paint the canopy and that should be fun since I have never done that before either.

Harold

 

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Saturday, December 11, 2021 11:30 AM

I finished the Sky colour underneath the wings and fuselage this morning and I'm pleased with the results. There is just a hint of Sky colour overspray on the leading edge of the wings and I believe that is what John recommended to softening the demarcation from dark camouflage colour to the lighter Sky colour.

The landing gear, cockpit door and canopy are just sitting on the fuselage as is the propeller and nose. My next step is to paint the canopy, the Sky coloured tail band, exhaust pipes, and the propeller. Then I can start on the decals. I will leave the propeller, landing gear and antenna off until the decals are finished so I don't break anything. If all goes well, I might even finish this model before Christmas.

PS. Jack I checked the lighting and that is what makes the dark earth brown look more sand colour. I recently added a large L.E.D. light fixture to my paint booth where I take my photographs and it changes some of the colours, but it takes the strain off my eyes, so I will live with the colour issue.

Harold

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  • From: West Texas
Posted by JBRaider on Saturday, December 11, 2021 4:24 PM

Coming togerther nicely Tony, that is a fun little kit.

Looking good Harold, the hard part is behind you now.

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, December 12, 2021 1:36 PM

Lovely work there Harold, colours look great.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Sunday, December 12, 2021 2:03 PM

JBRaider
Looking good Harold, the hard part is behind you now.

Thank you, JB. I don't know why the camouflage painting is so stressful for me. I basically know what to do and I enjoy doing it, but I get very anxious about messing it up. It helped having John, Cliff and Jack giving me the benefit of their experience.

I took the masking off the cockpit canopy because the instructions said not to leave the liquid masking on more than 24-hours. The movable part of the canopy had a combination of Eduard's mask and liquid mask. The second coat of paint was not completely dry and between the edge of the paint lifting a little and the adhesive from the Eduard mask the clear part of the canopy looks a little ragged. I will give the canopy paint a few hours to dry and then try to clean it up later today.

Harold

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, December 12, 2021 4:26 PM

Looking good Harold. 

 

 A sharp scalpel scored along the window frame followed by some burnishing with a wooden cocktail stick might clean up that canopy hood.

 

regards

Jack

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Sunday, December 12, 2021 8:51 PM

jgeratic

Looking good Harold. 

 

 A sharp scalpel scored along the window frame followed by some burnishing with a wooden cocktail stick might clean up that canopy hood.

 

regards

Jack

 

Thank you, Bish. And Jack my friend, you have been a great help to me all the way through this project. The canopy cleaned up well, but as you can see I took a little dark green paint off in the process; no problem though I can touch that up. In the future I will use olive drab or black surface primer instead of lighter colours.

I started on the propeller tonight, it still needs the yellow tips painted. The cockpit canopy is just sitting on the fuselage in these pictures, I am not sure if I should glue it down now, so I can touch up the paint, or wait until the I get the decals on and sealed with a clear coat of satin varnish?

Harold

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, December 13, 2021 8:01 PM

She looks good to me Harold! Yes

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 12:22 PM

Gamera

She looks good to me Harold! Yes

 

Thank you, Cliff. I learned a lesson about painting the canopy. In the future I will use a dark primer instead of light grey, so when I remove the masking if the primer is exposed it will be harder to see. The canopy on my Spitfire looks fine from a distance, but up close its a little rough.

Harold

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  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Friday, December 17, 2021 8:12 PM

Harold, I usually try to prime the canopy with whatever colour the inside of the framing was, so it represents that when seen through the canopy. Often it's flat blacky, and if it's not, you can often get away with flat black. I think your Spitfire looks excellent to date.

I should also note that the Israeli Sptfire rings all of my bells, I love the post war use of wartime types.

My Mk 1a Spitfire is ready to have the canopy masked now.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Friday, December 17, 2021 8:21 PM

I got the major decals on today, but still need to add the stenciling decals. The roundel decals under the wing were a challenge because of the vents.

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Friday, December 17, 2021 8:33 PM

taxtp
Harold, I usually try to prime the canopy with whatever colour the inside of the framing was, so it represents that when seen through the canopy. Often it's flat blacky, and if it's not, you can often get away with flat black. I think your Spitfire looks excellent to date. I should also note that the Israeli Sptfire rings all of my bells, I love the post war use of wartime types. My Mk 1a Spitfire is ready to have the canopy masked now.

Thank you, Tony. I agree with your method on the canopy primer. I will be watching to see how your canopy turns out.

To cover the light grey primer on mine I used the dark green and very carefully painted over any exposed primer. I needed a magnifying glass to see what I was doing, and the touch up helped. From a distance you can't tell that I got a little dark green on the clear plastic.

Harold

GAF
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  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Friday, December 17, 2021 8:53 PM

That looks great, Harold!  I had problems with those raised areas under the wings, but a bit of Microsol will snug them down.

Gary

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Friday, December 17, 2021 9:04 PM

GAF

That looks great, Harold!  I had problems with those raised areas under the wings, but a bit of Microsol will snug them down.

Gary

 

Thank you, Gary, I used a product like Microsol, it's called Decal Set & Soften 2 in 1 by VMS in Poland Supplies https://www.vms-supplies.com/. Even with this product I managed to mess up a little as you can see below. I cut the decal to make it look more like it would if the roundel were painted on the wing.

After I get the stenciling decals on, I will wait 24-hours and give the entire model a seal coat of Vallejo #70.522 Satin Varnish. It will change that bumpy orange-peel appearance you see below into a smooth uniform finish that is not to dull and has just enough shine to look almost real like the photograph below of my AEC Matador.

Harold

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