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Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) GB...now closed

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Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) GB...now closed
Posted by castelnuovo on Wednesday, June 2, 2010 1:41 AM

Would anybody be interested in a 38(t) GB? Plenty of variations to choose from. Start date to be announced, maybe few weeks from now to alow you to get the models and then 6 months to build them.

Cheers...

Added on Jun 5th 2010

The rules:

Any scale as long as it is based on the 38(t)

Starting date is June 15th 2010...you have 6 months to build all 38(t)s you have ever wanted to

Thats' all...

Participants:

 
SuppressionFire...Italeri 1/72 scale Hetzer

Geist...Grille M

Castelnuovo... Ausf D

Detailfreak...Hetzer

bbrownii......Marder III

Hedorah59.... E or the F

matt hill....let us know when you decide

Julez72.....Marder III Afrika Korps

PANZERJAGER...Marder III mit Pak 39(r) by Tamiya

eptingmike.....1/48 Tamiya Hetzer

bufflehead.... Italeri Pz. 38(t) ausf D

MTMARINE04.... Hetzer Command Version from Dragon 1:35

 

 

 

 

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Wednesday, June 2, 2010 6:36 AM

Good choice of topic for a GB castelnuovo,

If not for the slower summer build season and other GB commitments I would be interested.

I have always wanted to build a Hetzer tank destroyer. Somewhere in my stash 3000 miles away is a DML 1/144 38(t). If I find the beast when back there in a few weeks I will find room to bring it out to build for your GB. I am sure there is less than 12 parts including PE. Should be able to git R' done in unreasonable amount of time including scratch built details and my usual odd-ball techniques. 

If I return with the 38(t) count me in! (will let you know around mid July)

Jason

 

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Posted by Geist on Wednesday, June 2, 2010 9:51 AM

I'm interested. I've got a Grille M sitting in my stash. I'll definitely join if I can finish my current projects in time.

 

 

 

Erik

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Posted by detailfreak on Wednesday, June 2, 2010 6:41 PM

I'll be darned,now how did this Italeri Hetzer get in my stash.Well I guess I'm in!!!Cool

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, June 2, 2010 6:54 PM

OH!!! YOU BASTA*D!!!  Big Smile  You stole the idea right out of my head!!!

Depending on the dates, I'll be in... Probably with the Tamiya Marder III...

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by castelnuovo on Wednesday, June 2, 2010 10:49 PM

[quote user="bbrowniii"]

OH!!! YOU BASTA*D!!!  Big Smile  You stole the idea right out of my head!!!

Big SmileBig SmileDevil

Starting time to be announced. Lets see how many people sign up, then give them a week or two to organize/order  their Censored . Then we build...

Cheers

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Posted by hedorah59 on Friday, June 4, 2010 10:45 PM

Well, you can add me to the 'Depending on the time frame" crowd. I've got a couple of candidates -

A Tamiya Hetzer, a Dragon Marder, or the Dragon Pzkpfw 38...

Kirk

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Posted by matt hill on Saturday, June 5, 2010 7:12 AM

you can count me in this would be my first ever group build so hell yeahYes

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Posted by bbrowniii on Saturday, June 5, 2010 4:31 PM

hedorah59

 Dragon Pzkpfw 38...

 

Ooooooo... which one of those do you have?  The 'G' with the Interior??  Or the new E/F (??) 2-in-1??  I'm dyin' to see one of the DMLs built up... not that I want to influence your decision...Whistling

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by castelnuovo on Sunday, June 6, 2010 1:23 AM

Well, ther seems to be a bit of an interest for the 38(t). So why don't we start on June 15th 2010 and run it for 6 months...give or take? Sounds reasonable? I have added the list and the rules on the firs post.

Does anybody have a badge suggestion?

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Sunday, June 6, 2010 6:49 AM

Badge idea:

Evolution:

Picture a 38(t) the a arrow pointing at a Hetzer

I know there were many interesting variants in the years between the Czechoslovakian produced 38(t) and the German  ultimate tank destroyer. Many will argue  there were more powerful versions like the Jagpanzer, Jagtiger and Jagpanther. Yet the Hetzers compact design and dangerous 75mm gun proved to be the best formula for success.

 

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Posted by hedorah59 on Monday, June 7, 2010 11:48 AM

bbrowniii

 hedorah59:

 Dragon Pzkpfw 38...

 

 

Ooooooo... which one of those do you have?  The 'G' with the Interior??  Or the new E/F (??) 2-in-1??  I'm dyin' to see one of the DMLs built up... not that I want to influence your decision...Whistling

It is the 2-in-1 kit, and since it is my newest acquisition it is the one I am leaning towards building first (Unless something elses new and cool comes out soon before the start of this build Wink ).

Kirk

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Posted by castelnuovo on Tuesday, June 8, 2010 1:21 AM

Here are some 38(t) photos I have found on the net. Could somebody be kind and add a text, say "38(t) 2010" as I am not very good with computers?

They are kinda basic, not very "cool". Any other suggestions are wellcomed. Or maybe they could be edited so that just the tracks are displayed ?

Cheers...

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Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, June 8, 2010 10:36 PM

castelnuovo

Well, ther seems to be a bit of an interest for the 38(t). So why don't we start on June 15th 2010 and run it for 6 months...give or take? Sounds reasonable? I have added the list and the rules on the firs post.

Mmmmmmmmm.... that window might make it tough for me, but I'll try!

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by hedorah59 on Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:51 AM

Okay - You can put me down for the Dragon 2-in-1 38(t) kit, now my only choice will be whether to go with the E or the F version Smile

Kirk

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Wednesday, June 9, 2010 2:54 PM

castelnuovo

Here are some 38(t) photos I have found on the net. Could somebody be kind and add a text, say "38(t) 2010" as I am not very good with computers?

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp140/softrun/vehicle_panzer38t1.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp140/softrun/Panzer-38-E-px200.jpg

They are kinda basic, not very "cool". Any other suggestions are wellcomed. Or maybe they could be edited so that just the tracks are displayed ?

Cheers...

Hetzer! Or the Flak version of the base undercarriage.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, June 9, 2010 6:04 PM

For the badge, I like the 'Evolution' idea....

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Posted by castelnuovo on Friday, June 11, 2010 1:02 AM

Ummm...I don't quite understand the "evolution" idea. Any pictures?

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Friday, June 11, 2010 7:19 AM

castelnuovo

Ummm...I don't quite understand the "evolution" idea. Any pictures?

No pictures, just paste 'Evolution' over a 38(t) and a arrow pointing to a Hetzer. Let me explain further:

The annexation of Czechoslovakia by Germany captured industry including the iron works that produced the 38(t) Despite popular belief the Germans never have superior numbers of tanks going into the invasion of France, the 38(t) was given a coat of paint, some stowage was 'Germanized' and it served them well as the basic vehicle was mechanically reliable & of sound design.

Operation Barbarossa pointed out the 38(t)'s flaws as the turret, armor and main gun were to small to be effective. The need for anti-aircraft  mobility seen some of the 38(t)'s with the turret removed and a 20mm Flak gun mounted on the hull. The desperate need for more anti-tank mobility and improvisation by the German manufactures developed the Marder series of anti-tank guns. One version mounted captured Soviet 76 mm pac 38 (r) weapons on the 38(t)'s reliable hull & drive train.

The Marder series of anti-tank weapons were very successful, yet lack of crew protection, thin armor and a high silhouette were its Achilles heel. The Germans had great success with conversions and then production of larger tanks without turrets. The 'Jag' series began with the Jagpanther. Its thick sloped armor and lower silhouette made it a lethal anti-tank weapon. Also with no turret the vehicle could mount a larger gun, the Panther fielded a 75mm L/70 high velocity cannon, the Jagpanther fielded the famous 88mm L/56

Bigger is not always better and the evolution seen a Jagtiger in limited numbers. (around 50 produced) Fielding a 120mm L/90 Its Achilles heel was a  all ready over worked drive train with now tons of added weight to move, slow speed and a huge target for roaming allied aircraft. The idea was successful in the development of the Panzer IV, a more powerful 75 mm L/70, low silhouette and reliable drive train made the Jagpanzer L/70 very lethal. 

Back to the 38(t)

Its final expression of battlefield lethality was called 'the Hetzer' (Jag 38(t) wouldn't sound cool enough) This design fielded a 75 mm L/50? cannon, VERY low silhouette. Mobility, speed, armor was excellent. At this point in the loosing war Germany was on the defensive, the Jag series was well suited to this roll of ambush tactics.

 

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Posted by castelnuovo on Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:50 AM

This didn't quite turn out as I was hoping for but, I am not very good with this things and speaking of evolution, well, you got the idea...Big SmileBig Smile

The "squeezed" hetzer is from Wikipedia.

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:57 AM

Hmm,

You have the right idea but replace the people with the 'evolution' of the 38(t). Start with the 38(t) then the Flak version, a Marder and finally the Hetzer. I wish my computer Kung Fu was stronger... I have the idea and its almost frustrating not being able to get it on the screen!

* Please someone good with creating badges step up and visualize & digitize my vision!

'Evolution'

(pictured)

38(t) >>>(arrow)>>> Hetzer

Tanks a bunch!

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Posted by Julez72 on Saturday, June 12, 2010 7:58 AM

Sorry Jason, i'm not that software savy myself but i did do this.....

 

 

 

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Posted by castelnuovo on Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:00 AM

SuppressionFire, Ok, I got it...I see what you mean but  I think it may be a tad too big badge.  I managed to put something together but then I noticed Julez72's badge and, while mine was similar to his, I like his better.  So why don't we make that theofficial badge of this GB?

Cheers...

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Sunday, June 13, 2010 6:47 AM

Julez,

Great looking badge, I think we have a winner! Toast

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Posted by Julez72 on Monday, June 14, 2010 12:34 AM

I'm glad you gents like itYes i'm not sure if i can commit to this build given the GBs i'm already in but we''ll see how i go in a couple of months, till then put me down as a possible Marder111 Afrika Korps...it would be in 48 scale to go with the Feisler Storch and Rommels halftrack.....

 

 

 

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Posted by detailfreak on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:58 PM

ready,set .GOOOOOO!

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Posted by castelnuovo on Friday, June 18, 2010 10:39 PM

My kits have arrived, ya-hooo Smile..lets build....between work and a one year old baby...Big Smile

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Posted by hedorah59 on Friday, June 18, 2010 10:54 PM

Well, I opened it at least!  Big Smile

Kirk

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:35 AM

hedorah59,

Open the plastic & glue 1 item together for first WIP!

Looks like DML packed a lot of goodies in that box, have fun with this one.Big Smile

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Posted by Julez72 on Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:58 PM

Hmmm i'm still not sure about this one, would love a 38t Marder111 and i like the one with the 20mm flak gun but Armour is something completely out of my comfort zone, never done it before.....decisions decisions...

 

 

 

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