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  • From: AandF in the Badger State
Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, December 24, 2016 11:09 AM

Jack:  Yeah, I don't know if Sailor had much clout after Barking Creek, until he had a chance to redeem himself.

I have Paul Lucas' book on RAF camouflage and markings through the Battle of Britain, and he goes into great detail about the various paint schemes used before the war and in the early days of the war.  It's an interesting read; very informative.

One issue I had, though, was the matter of underwing roundels.  According to Lucas, underwing roundels were applied to day fighters as of 4 June, 1940--the end of the Dunkirk evacuation.  Prior to that, RAF fighters over Dunkirk should presumably not be carrying them.

Yet, here's a photo I found, purportedly showing a downed Spitfire from the time of Operation Dynamo.

Then, to complicate things, Lucas says that only two days later--on 6 June, 1940--Sky, Type S was ordered for the undersurfaces, and the underwing roundels were once again removed until 11 August (p. 33 in Camouflage & Markings, No. 2).

I opted to leave the roundels off the bottom of the wings on Sailor's plane, since Revell's painting instructions didn't show them and their decal sheet didn't provide them; but the issue is something I haven't figured out yet.  

Caspar's old decal sheet for Operation Dynamo shows underwing roundels on both Spitfires and the Hurricane included in the set.  Still photos from the upcoming Dunkirk movie show roundels, too, on the wing bottoms.

 

 

Nulla Rosa Sine Spina

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, December 24, 2016 11:10 AM

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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, December 24, 2016 12:21 PM

Hi Check, yes I've the Lucas book as well.  He actually does have the right info in the writen text, found in the middle column of page 45.  Underwing roundels were reintroduced on May 15th.  Then on June 4th, a yellow ring was added to the roundel  to the night painted wing only.

The error is found on page 33, the top right illustration is wrongly captioned - I think that is what mislead you?

regards,

Jack

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, December 24, 2016 1:12 PM

I think you're right, Jack!  Thanks for the information.

The profile in Osprey's Spitfire Aces 1939-1941 shows Malan's plane with no underwing roundels.  It's labeled for May-June.

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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, December 24, 2016 2:48 PM

You are welcome, Check.

I've also that Osprey profile book.  It's possible, in those hectic days, the changes the Air Ministry had ordered could not be followed through in a timely fashion, if at all.  Without actual photo proof of the specific aircraft, then all we can do is guess.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by taxtp on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 6:51 PM
This GB is scheduled to run until 2020, but there haven't been any posts in a while. I want to check if it's still active before entering. Cheers Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:33 PM

Yes, it's still open, Tony.  I plan to add builds myself when I can.  You are more than welcome to come in.

Nulla Rosa Sine Spina

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:53 PM

I see that the Photobucket fiasco eliminated the GB badge.  I will get onto reposting it as soon as I can, as well as the '41 badge--which I imagine has also fallen off the twig.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Nulla Rosa Sine Spina

 

 

 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 8:16 PM
Thanks CMK. For me nothing says 1940 like the Battle of Britain. I'll pick a Spitfire Mk 1, 1/72 Airfix newish release, unless I get distracted onto something else. Haha. Cheers Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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  • From: Sunny So. Cal... The OC
Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 8:30 PM

I never got my early War builds started, let alone completed... Embarrassed

But at least I did complete my 1942 build... Yes

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:40 PM

It's a nice kit, Tony.  I'm very fond of Spitfires, and the Airfix recent-mold builds up very well.  I'll add you to the roster, and look forward to seeing your progress.

stik:  don't worry; you've got three years yet to start--and finish! Yes

Nulla Rosa Sine Spina

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:12 PM

Check, at my current completion rate, I’ll need all three years... lol!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, November 30, 2017 6:56 PM

Yes

If that's what it takes, stik!

I can't say that my own production rate has been real good this year. Wilted Flower

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  • From: denver, colorado
Posted by waynec on Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:30 PM

i had to go dig out an old 1/72 GB badge from my files and update it to 2017. PB screwed up a lot of things. since this is still open i just started a HobbyBoss BA-10.

"Nikto ne Zabyt . Nichto ne Zabyto.

"No one is forgotten. Nothing is forgotten."

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, December 01, 2017 4:03 PM

Wayne:  I agree about PB.  Fortunately I had the badges on the computer, but then that died; but Geek Squad retrieved them for the new one.

I'll add you to the build roster, but what's a BA-10? Confused

Please let me know the scale, too, and I'll include that too.

Good to have you with us.  Looking forward to seeing your build.

Nulla Rosa Sine Spina

 

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, December 01, 2017 4:40 PM

I've been attempting to restore everyone's finished build photos, but have been unable to do so with some.

I had to buy a new computer when the old one unexpectedly died, and apparently the Geek Squad was unable to move all the photos from the old laptop to the new one.  I have restored the photos that did come over from the old computer.

PhotoBucket will not now allow me to copy photos from there, so I cannot restore them here.  Won't even let me copy back to my laptop.

If any participants whose photos I've lost will repost, I will then add them to the finished GB roster.

Sorry for the inconvenience; PB is obviously much more deplorable than I thought.

Thanks.

Nulla Rosa Sine Spina

 

 

 

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Sunday, December 24, 2017 7:37 AM

Hi checkmateking02 I would like to inter my airfix ju-52 in 1/72. my wip is on the aircraft forum under ju-52 thanks and merry christmas

  

 Nick.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, December 25, 2017 4:00 PM

Welcome to the GB, crown.  I've added your -52 to the build roster.  Glad to have you sign up!

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Posted by crown r n7 on Tuesday, December 26, 2017 8:53 AM

my lastest pics using tamiya paints Im working with it so far ok

  

 Nick.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, December 26, 2017 7:29 PM

Nice work, crown.  Looks like the paint went on well.

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Posted by crown r n7 on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:46 AM

thank you checkmateking02 but I didnt like the tamiya dark green so I remasked and sprayed tamiya deep green then clear coat some drying time then decals

  

 Nick.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:52 PM

Nick, I think what you did enhances the contrast between the colors.  They are more noticeably distinct.  Looks good!

And how in the world did you deal with all those corrugations on the wings!?  That must have been a job and a half!

Nulla Rosa Sine Spina

 

 

 

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Posted by crown r n7 on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:01 PM

thank you checkmate it wasnt as bad as it seems 

  

 Nick.

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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:43 PM

Looks good Nick. I think the Tamiya colours seem to similar, I've had that problem on one of my models too. I little more distinction between the colours looks a lot better so good on you for remasking over those corrugations.

I've got it in my plan to do an Italeri Ju 52 sometime soonish, as part of my collection of German types in French colours. That's an old kit too.

I think you've done about as well as anyone could with that old kit.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, January 11, 2018 6:39 PM

Nick, good looking progress on that Junkers.

Yes, the 70/71 scheme is a pretty low contrast one.  I'd say  the Tamiya paints are likely off in terms of both colour and darkness - as a whole the Tamiya colours are not a direct match to RLM chips. 

Interesting story here of a Luftwaffe vet showing a couple models he built usuaing actual war time paint.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2002/11/stuff_eng_profile_luftwaffe_bomber_camo.htm

 

regards,

Jack

 

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  • From: Newington CT
Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:41 PM

Here is the start of my Bf109E-3. Used a True Details seat but OOB otherwise

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:22 PM

Looking fine, tj!  Parts fit looks really good!

Nulla Rosa Sine Spina

 

 

 

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  • From: Sandy, UT
Posted by SteveCB on Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:31 PM

The way I read the rules, this should be ok, an AMT 1937 Coupe. 

I am building the stock version.

Just barely started on the engine.

If it's a no go, I can put it in the autos section.  Thanks

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:35 PM

Welcome to the GB, SteveCB!  Yes, your entry is fine.  I'm sure a '37 Chevy would be around in '39.  Slick looking car!  Good to have you with us!

I've updated the build roster.

Nulla Rosa Sine Spina

 

 

 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Sunday, January 14, 2018 8:24 PM

Great idea Steve, I wish I'd thought of that.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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