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ss arm band
Posted by blackdog62 on Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:23 PM
I have à question world a stug 4 commander bave à ss arm band ? Or world they juste be à membre of à panzer groupe that would be attached ?

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, January 23, 2015 12:28 PM

To get the best exposure, this question/thread should have been posted in the Armor section.

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http://www.stugiii.com/sturmartillerie/sturmgeschutziv.html

From the above link, most of the StuG IV were attached to infantry units, but if you want to depict a crew figure with an SS cuff title, you probably have three choices:

17th SS Panzergrenadier Division Götz von Berlichingen

5th SS Panzer Division Wiking

4th SS Polizei Grenadier Division

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http://missinglinks2.tripod.com/index.htm might be of interest.  There are three pages of thumbnail size photos of the StuG IV, but you need to view the first link Sturmgeschutz IV Photophile to read descriptions of each photo.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by blackdog62 on Friday, January 23, 2015 3:47 PM

Thanks jack I'm off to look at those sites I'm wondering if there shoulder bords woul be black and white ss typ or the redish artillery colors . Thanks for the info.

I don't know my way Around the forums good enough to know there's a armor section. Lol

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Posted by Bish on Friday, January 23, 2015 4:08 PM

Blackdog, the SS used the same waffenfarbe as the army. As far as the 17th is concerned, the StuG's were assigned to what had been the panzer battalion. In June 1944 it was designated a Pz jag battalion.

For the 4th SS, In Oct 44 their StuG's also belonged to the pz jag battalion, but I have no date as to when this happened. In both cases, I would say the waffenfarbe would be pz Pink. I can't find any info on the 5th SS.

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Posted by blackdog62 on Friday, January 23, 2015 7:53 PM

BISH.......thank you much I have never really worked on any figures its a academy stug4 comander that came with the kit. its a bit shy on detail I just want to make it rite. Now I have to look through my decals stash for the divisions you and jgeratic/jack mentiond

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, January 23, 2015 9:34 PM

 Bish has got you covered with the waffenfarbe.  Yes

Red would only have been used if the vehicle was issued to the Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung (assault battalion).

The pdf link I had posted earlier, if you scroll down to the bottom, there is an allocation list for the Stug IV:

A batch of 22 shipped on March 20, 1944 carries the remark "für SS-Wiking".  This indicates that they went to 5.SS- Pz.Div. instead.  It is still uncertain if SS-Pz.Abt.5 or SS-Pz.Jg.Abt.5 got them (Mirko Bayerl suggests these were fielded in SS-Pz.Rgt.5 and not SS-Pz.Jg.Rgt.5).   No reference to them can be found either in the Divisional or the Regimental (SS-Pz.Rgt.5) History. Nevertheless according to [3] the 5.SS-Div. still reported 5 StuG IV on hand as late as Jan 15, 1945.

Even with the uncertainty, Panzerjager wore pink piping and the black panzerwrap. 

Photos of the 17th SS look to have used of both black and fieldgrey uniforms.

Unfortunately, the white washed vehicle is identified as a Stug III.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 24, 2015 3:33 AM

For Div insignia, the 5th SS would be the easiest to get hold of. Of those 3 it was the only full Panzer Div and quite a few kits come with there insignia. The other 2 will be a bit thin on the ground in kits.

This will help you find the insignia you need.

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Posted by blackdog62 on Saturday, July 29, 2017 1:42 PM

bish and gjeratic thank you both for all this info you posted this was about the time i was dealing with that house fire. i just came across it thank you both for the time and resurch you put into it. im still working on this as it got put off for a bit and its still veary much usefull info.Yes

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 29, 2017 1:49 PM

Completly forgot about this, glad its going to be of some use and can't wait to see the build.

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Wednesday, August 02, 2017 5:27 AM

Check this site, it's got good info and illustrations:

http://www.alanhamby.com/ranks/rank.htm

 

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:45 AM
Question: if you're a panzer crew, but your unit is part of a larger panzergrenadier division, what Waffenfardbe do you wear: pink (for Panzers), or grass green (for Panzergrenadiers)?

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:07 AM

Pink. The colour has nothing to do with the type of unit you are in but what you do.

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:44 PM
Thanks Bish! That's what I thought, but then I got to wondering whether I'd been doing it wrong all this time. Best not to overthink things...

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:55 PM

As Bish states, but self-propelled guns is a whole different ball game (and a minefield at that) when concerned with waffenfarbe.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:21 PM
Oh great, that's just what I was working on, an SPG. A Marder II, I was going to use markings of 10th Panzergrenadier division. Any insight as to which Waffenfarbe to use?

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:12 PM

You picked the right category of vehicle, because panzerjaeger units  kept constant their colour of waffenfarbe - pink.  The shoulder straps would have the cypher 'P', either in pink embroidery, silver or gold depending on rank. 

From February 1942 to May 1944,  crew uniforms should be the field grey version of the black panzer type.  After the latter date, they were suppose to revert back to the black uniform.   Also during the second half of the war, branch piping around the collar lapels was eliminiated, as was the coloured soutache on cloth headgear.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Bish on Monday, August 21, 2017 2:26 AM

As Jack says, pink for the Marder crew. The real fun comes with StuG's.

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Posted by blackdog62 on Monday, August 21, 2017 8:41 PM

since we have goten this started i have orderd a few after market items not sure how im going to uise them yet. this was for a stug4 build im doing thats one hold for now because i have dec 20170821_180722 by Jerry Richards, on Flickrided to make it a diroma  20170821_180707 by Jerry Richards, on Flickrand have no supplys for it.Whistling

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Posted by blackdog62 on Monday, August 21, 2017 8:55 PM

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thats strange how my text broke up between pics on the last one.

but this is the figure i was going to use untill i made the desission to make a diorama. still may but the headphone band has to go. and this is the academy stug 4 im useing. it dosent say what company its with but my plan is eastern front ss unithttps://www.flickr.com/gp/148521530@N05/n16HC2 thats a pic of the company decal from the kit 20170608_164253 by Jerry Richards, on Flickr

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Posted by blackdog62 on Monday, August 21, 2017 9:06 PM

i have never done a figure before im hopeing ill get better tha plan is for the stug crew and grenadeirs to be makeing a  secure bivowack for the night. so ill have several more figures to work on and figure out arm bands and shoulder bords. and what ss was what parts of the eastern front ?

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Posted by blackdog62 on Monday, August 21, 2017 9:11 PM

and this marking was also in the kit i have no idea about eather one. im figuring im going to have to find some ss markings. well i dug these books out they should help with what im looking for. it would be nice if the stug4 marking was already from the ss. if anyone knows that would be great. thanks

jerry. 2017-08-22_03-07-13 by Jerry Richards, on Flickr

 

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