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Mad Fokker Day: 17 October 2004

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Mad Fokker Day: 17 October 2004
Posted by djmodels1999 on Saturday, August 07, 2004 3:53 AM
Sunday 17 October 2004. Mad Fokker Day. 24 hours to build a 1/72 replica of the famed Fokker Triplane...

Here's some info to get you started (start THINKING about it, not building it!)...


Fokker Dr1 1/72 kits round-up:

Here's Revell's latest Dr.1 kit, priced at £3.99 or c.US$5, replacing their other, nearly 40 years old kit (a collector's item now!)

and here's the box arts of some of the many re-editions of the older Revell triplane:

and here, at least with a sligthly more 'interesting' scheme:

or even as a set with a hangar and two other contemporary aircraft (a mid-'70s re-issue, probably a REAL collector's item now!!):

and here's the box art of the original 1966 (!) issue of the kit:


Also from Revell, their magnetic in flight replica, priced at £22.99, c.US$30



More conventional, Airfix's very old Fokker Triplane (£3.25 or c.US$5 but discontinued now)

also marketed over the years under many types of boxes (even blisters!) and box art such as:

or:

or even under the even more collectible 'Dog-Fight' series, paired with a Bristol F2B:



Possibly ever rarer, MPC's Fokker Dr.1, also in a 'Dog-Fight' box with an ex-Airfix Sopwith Camel, ex-Airfix WWI infantry (the Dr.1 is ex-Airfix too!):



Roden have two Fokker Triplane, retailing at £6.25 here (c.US$9), the F.1:

and the Dr.1

I'm not certain the F.1 kit includes the modified wings and horizontal tailplane that distinguished both types...


Eduards' basic Dr.1kit, retailing at a mere £3.80 here (c.US$6)


Eduard's Profipack, with PE set and decals for something different from the usual Richtofen aircraft... (£6.50 or c.US$9)


And Eduard's Fokker F1, the fourth prototype but near identical to the production Dr.1 (Profipack kit, also at £6.50) - I'm not certain Eduard modified the top wing and horizontal stabilizer either...


And finally, for those really wanting a challenge, the full PE kit from Eduard... (£10.50, cUS$16)


Recently (late Nov 04) released is SMER's Dr.1 (not their old and quite awful 1/44(!) kit), but apart from a new set of decals, it is the re-boxed, basic Eduard kit... at a slightly higher price of £3.99..!



And to be absolutely thorough, another rarity, a white-metal 1/72 Fokker Dr.1 from Gunze, released in 1977... I've never seen it!



Decals and other bits:
FCM 0248, WWI German National Insigna


FCM 72018, with decals for one Dr.1 (plus other planes, all for £7 or c.$10)


Blue Rider sets BR233, 237 and 245, for various colorful Dr.1 from Jasta 2, 4 and 27 Each set priced at £3.50 or c.US$5.
#233:

http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/decals/br233.htm
#237:

http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/decals/br237.htm
#245:

http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/decals/br245.htm

Almark AKA29, German national insignas, 1916-17:
at £2.95 or c.$4

Almark AKA30, German national insignas, 1918:
at £2.95 or c.$4

Tom's Modelworks PE set #300: German WWI machine guns ($4.50):


Also available, Eduard's paint masks for WWI Fokker Dr.1 national insignas (sorry no pics!): EDXS524 (priced at £1.25 or c.US$2)


Books and other references:

Fokker Dr.1 in action (Squadron Signal Publication #1098). Black and white pics, line drawings, color schemes, lots of errors in the captions!


Fokker Dr.1 Aces of WWI, Osprey


More Dr.1books here:
http://www.fokkerdr1.com/Books.htm

Also....
http://www.fokkerdr1.com/
http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/germany/fokker_dri.htm
http://home.talon.net/~bigpine/index.htm
http://www.aviation-top-pics.com/details-Fokker%20Dr-1.htm

For some nice colour profiles including two of Dr.1 flown by the Red Baron:
http://www.wingstrut.com/fokker_dr_i.htm

plus a number of reviews of the new Revell kit:
http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Reviews/axis_ww1/dr1_revell-new.htm
http://s96920072.onlinehome.us/Gal3/2501-2600/Gal2585_Fokker-Dr1_Wauters/gal2585.htm
http://www.rollmodels.net/ninbox/airplanes/72revellfokkerdr1/72revelldr1.php

Another review of the new Revell kit, in French, but with lots of pictures and further links to modeling Triplanes featuring in comic strips...
http://modelstories.free.fr/analyses/avions/MS2004_3P/REVL_FokDr1/

And here's some advice and suggestion concerning the streaky blue/green camouflage:
http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2579
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Sunday, August 08, 2004 1:16 AM
As of today (24 September), there are 21 people interested in this project:

Armorchris
Ausf
Balta1
Build22
DanCooper
Dubix88
Frostygirl
Ghettochild
Gsharp
Keyworth
Larry_Dunn
Model Grandpa
Monrad
Phroosh
Pingtang
Rafael Pelote
Rdxpress
Shrikes
T-34
Wildwilliam and myself...
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Posted by Model Grandpa on Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:36 AM
I am really looking forward to this build/challenge, or at least I was before I started to read the post from the MTD build....no just kidding, I’m still really looking forward to it. I’m already planning strategy in my head and I haven’t even seen the kit yet and the starts still a couple months away.

Since I’m on the west coast of the United States I will be one of last one to start, this will either be good or bad, don’t know, we’ll see. Haven’t figured out which gloss coat I will be able to use if any, future wouldn’t cure in time.

It’s going to be a blast…just like the one the MTD builders are having.Big Smile [:D]
Regards, Dan Building Scale Models At The Speed Of Dark
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Posted by ghettochild on Monday, August 09, 2004 10:06 PM
which kit do you suggest dj. ive never done any of them
-Josh
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:23 AM
My wife's first ever model was Eduard's Fokker Dr.1 and she managed all right. The kit is nice and easy to put together. Don't go for the profipack as it brings more troubles than benefit though.

However, Revell's is the latest out and that's the one I'll be building. The critics have been very good about this lil' one. But if you go Revell, make sure you get the one shown at the top. The older kit can still be found (swap meet and the like) and it's not that easy nor as good.
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Posted by shrikes on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:01 PM
Okay, Domi! I'm officially in!
Blackadder: This plan's as cunning as a fox that used to be Professor of cunning at Oxford University but has now moved on and is working with the U.N at the high commission of cunning planning
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:22 AM
Great stuff, Shrikes..! How much was the kit in your Country? Are Revell kits expensive there?
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Posted by Model Grandpa on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:38 PM
Got my kit today and all I can say is that’s one lil’ airplane. It is the Revell kit. I was having a hard time visualizing just how small it would be; now I know. It’s been awhile since I built a 1/72 aircraft. The lighted magnifier will be getting a work out on October 17th.
Regards, Dan Building Scale Models At The Speed Of Dark
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:33 AM
yes, it IS a small thing, isnt'it..?!
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Posted by shrikes on Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:53 AM
Domi: i got it for about 250 Philippine Pesos, Which translates to a little less than $5 USD. Not bad at all. I guess it's because my LHS owner orders her stuff from Hannats, and gets a bulk discount . I was tempted by the Fokker D VII, but when i took a peek inside, the wings and fuselage were covered in injector pin marks... Yuck!
Blackadder: This plan's as cunning as a fox that used to be Professor of cunning at Oxford University but has now moved on and is working with the U.N at the high commission of cunning planning
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:54 AM
Great stuff!
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, August 16, 2004 1:11 AM
Fokkermad people, here's another superb website dedicated to the Fokker Dr.1...

http://www.fokkerdr1.com/
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Posted by shrikes on Monday, August 16, 2004 2:02 AM
Just a question for you fellows: How do you plan to simulate the wooden propellorQuestion [?] Smile [:)]
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Posted by rdxpress on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:07 PM
Hry Shrikes,
Paint and washes is how I've done it. If your good with wood carve one, I know a guy back home did on all his wood bladed props.
Good Hunting,
G.W.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:02 PM
Domi:
this is soooo tempting, because i've been thinking about trying
a ww1 plane for awhile... the only problem is the Sunday date,
so i won't b able 2 join in the Mad Day madness, but mite just
look 4 the revell kit & build it at my usual 'snail in molasses' pace.
but thanx 4 the info & inspiration, as usual...
any suggestions re: 1/72 SPAD or Sopwith Camel as a companion piece ?
what did Nungesser fly ? probably a Nieuport or SPAD...
bonne chance, les as de l'air ! Big Smile [:D]

frostySmile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 20, 2004 5:33 AM
Hi everyone,

I haven't been much around this forum (lack of time), but I'de like to join on this one. I enjoy building WW1 stuff and I have several options on the shelf (Revell and Eduard), but probably I´ll go with the Revell one.

Since i´m based in Portugal, I´ll start before than most of you!

Looking forward!

Best regards,
Rafael
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 20, 2004 3:21 PM
It took the Mad Fokker Day for me to sign up to this forum. Very cool idea. I got one for me, one for my 15 year old son, and one for the Misses. I Revell and two eduards. The FI type is okay, right?

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Saturday, August 21, 2004 3:05 AM
Rafael and Gsharp: welcome aboard!

Rafael, we'll be starting around the same time since we are on the same time zone!

Gsharp, Eduard's F.1 is fine by me, as it is definitely an early Dr.1. Be aware though that the F.1 had a top wing and the horizontal stabiliser that had different shapes from the 'production' Dr.1 that followed. I can e-mail you some drawings showing you what needs to be done as I'm pretty sure the Eduard kit doers not come with those modifications. It's not a hard conversion though and with superglue, I feel it can still be done in a day!

Frosty, Well we can give you another full day if that makes it easier for you. I realise some people have other more important things to do on their Sundays! I'd love to see you joining this! As to Nungesser, he is best known for his Nieuport 17, all silver with the skull and coffin insigna.. Brrr! A cold customer, this Nungesser!

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/nungesser.html

HR Models have (had) one Nieuport 17 but Hannants' website says it's discontinued...

You could try a Nieuport 11 'Bébé' ; Toko have one beautiful 1/72 model of this bird, with Tsarist Russian markings. Hobbycraft of Canada have a 1/28 model of the Bébé too!

Nungesser aso flew the SPAD XIII (camouflaged with the same insigna). The SPADs are much more difficult aircraft to model because of the many strings that come with them! My advice would be to start with the Fokker Dr.1, then pass on to a Nieuport 11 to hone in your skills then go for the SPAD XIII. After that, you'll be ready for the Ilya Murometz four-engined biplaneTsarist bomber...Smile [:)]
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Saturday, August 21, 2004 3:13 AM
For those considering the blue/streaky green camo, and a touch of weatheering, please follow this excellent thread!

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25799
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Posted by DanCooper on Saturday, August 21, 2004 3:47 PM
Ok, I'll do it too, have been here a few times and somehow every time I misread the date, actually thought it was already over.
In fact if my memory serves me right, the Fokker Dr1 from Revell (or it may have been Airfix) was my first kit ever, this will surely be a trip into the past for me.

One question though, the title says Mad Fokker Day, not Mad Fokker Dr1 Day, does this mean, other Fokkers are welcome too, if so, I would considder building a few different ones simultaniously, if allowed...Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:31 AM
Dan, first of all welcome in this mad enterprise! Well, this first ever Mad Fokker Day will be for the Dr.1 but I can not stop you from building another or several other kits! I chose the Dr.1 because of its rather simple design (in terms of scale modeling) and the amount of easy color schemes it affords, since we only have 24 hrs to complete the project. Also, the Dr.1 is easy to find in kit, and cheap.
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Posted by DanCooper on Monday, August 23, 2004 4:23 AM
OK, you definitely count me in, I think I'll choose the...hmm, yeah I'll do the Dr1 Smile [:)].
Is somebody looking into the badge-thing ?
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, August 23, 2004 11:54 AM
I've had no proposals so far about the badge, so if you feel up to it, design one, Dan!
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Posted by wildwilliam on Monday, August 23, 2004 12:01 PM
i am getting amped up about Kempf's famously marked bird.
but wondering if the streaky look will be possible for me in the time frame & scale.
and wondering exactly when i will work on it w/ my girlfriend visiting that weekend!
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, August 23, 2004 2:00 PM
You've got Saturday for your girlfriend! Get some body paint and practice the streaky camo on her.. Evil [}:)]

Kempf's Dr.1 was awesome I think! If you have the Squadron Signal book, there are 3 pics of two of his Dr.1s. The first one has the left part of the horizontal stabilizer white, white 'K' on the fuselage, 1917 style national insignas and a streaky camouflage that appears, on the wings, to run perpendicular to the axis of those wings; the second one, probably a later machine, has the white part of the stabilizer on the right side, oblique streaky camouflage, fat and straght German crosses, dark (black?) fuselage 'K' and the white vertical stabilizer has a black outline; the back of the fuselage of this later airplane (or later two picture in any case) appears to be of a lighter, plain colour too...

Eduard's Kemppf Dr.1, if that's the one you're going for, is definitely the earlier aircraft.

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, August 23, 2004 2:04 PM
As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to go for a Dr.1 piloted by Adolf Ritter von Tutschek, as shown on the cover of the Squadron book.

Here's another view of this aircraft:

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, August 23, 2004 2:12 PM
Well worth thinking about is this PE set marketed by Tom Modelworks to detail/replace the plastic machine guns of the kits (Eduards's profipack Dr.1 has some PE for the guns too):



Here's a link to Tom's site:

http://www.tomsmodelworks.com/default.asp

The above set retails at $4.50, and can be used for other WWI aircraft too.

Each of the two Dr.1 guns can thus be replaced altogether by two superb little kits on their own. However, it's in the cooling 'mesh' around the gun itself that those PE sets make a real difference with the plastic bits...
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, August 23, 2004 2:39 PM
Wildwilliam, here's another pic of Kempf first Dr.1 (213/17) showing that the streaky camouflage was indeed close to being perpendicular to the wing axis and not as oblique as shown on Eduard's box art:



Kempf's second Dr.1 was (apparently) the 493/17.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 23, 2004 3:58 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by djmodels1999
Frosty, Well we can give you another full day if that makes it easier for you. I realise some people have other more important things to do on their Sundays! I'd love to see you joining this! As to Nungesser, he is best known for his Nieuport 17, all silver with the skull and coffin insigna.. Brrr! A cold customer, this Nungesser!
My advice would be to start with the Fokker Dr.1, then pass on to a Nieuport 11 to hone in your skills then go for the SPAD XIII. After that, you'll be ready for the Ilya Murometz four-engined biplaneTsarist bomber...Smile [:)]

Domi:
as long as no-one thinks it's wrong 2 b out of sync w/ the group... i do want 2 try &
participate. i was watching a tape of 'attack of the hawkmen' the other nite, it's a
young indiana jones episode... he joins the lafayette escadrille as a photo recon
officer & meets von richtofen (has lunch w/ him after the baron shoots down his
plane, actually)as well as charles nungesser & then goes on a mission 2 convince fokker 2 work for the allies. great footage of biplane dogfights, & a great scene in a
hangar w/ an enormous zeppelin at the end. that's where i saw the nungesser plane
w/ his candlesticks, coffin & skull & crossbones insignia... & indy is credited w/
giving the baron the idea 2 paint his plane red, LOL !
so if i can find that revell kit, i'm going 2 try & build it !

frostySmile [:)]
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:30 AM
Cool! And yes, those Young Indiana Jones mini-movies are great!

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