AFTER THE BATTLE Group Build (Start 3/31/05 End 1/1/06)

VA, I really want in on this build, but I need to decide which kit, put me down for a probable la-5.

Outstanding. Kick the tires, light the fires and let's go. I need to dig through the AMARC residents in the closet and see which one becomes the "victim".

Darwin, O.F.

When I was stationed at Andersen AFB, Guam, in the late 70s, Continental Airlines flew several Boeing 727 tri jets around the Mariana's and Micronesian Islands. They were quite attractive with NMF wings, white fuselage with gold, red a & orange stripes and then that big gold tail. The deserts of the Southwestern US have quite a few civilian airports and abandoned Air Bases that are being used as storage yards for retired or unneeded commercial airliners. This "deconstruction" represents one of Continental's 727s that has been sitting in the desert sun for quite some time. The paint is very faded, the #1 and #2 engines have been removed along with the left stab and right aileron. Most of the windows and the 2 over wing escape hatches on the port side are missing and the salvage folks have painted their "D-646" inventory number on the fuselage. This a 1/144 scale that I built while I was on Guam. I don't remember the manufacturer's brand
Tis sad to see, but no more "three holers" gracing the skies.

Darwin, O.F.

Hmmm this one sounds very interesting, i like the challenge aspect of it..............

Would the Sole surviving Avenger, Toprpedo 8 from the Midway battle qualify

yardbird78-That really looks great, get that thing on a base and you have it. One thing though I dont know if you were going to do this but the tops of the wings should they be weathered also? But otherwise that is one good looking abandoned plane there. Day two into the build and somebody is already done

j.s.harrison-Well if your Avenger looks like is been shot down, abandoned or been in service way too long, then yes I would have to say it qualifies.

The skies the limit,

V.A.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Vintage Aircraft yardbird78-, get that thing on a base and you have it. One thing though I dont know if you were going to do this but the tops of the wings should they be weathered also? V.A.

I got the material to do a base for the 727 today. I am not sure what a NMF should look like after doing a slow bake in the sun for 20 or so years. I'll see if I can come up with something.

Darwin, O.F.

I was in Barnes and Nobel today, flipping through some of the magazines. One magazine had an excellent article about what the Army Air Corps did with their aircraft after the war. I wish I could remember the name of the magazine for you guys, but there were about 6 pages of neglected/destroyed aircraft that would be perfect for this build.

IAW VA's suggestion, I have made a base to represent the desert sand where the bird is stored and have "weathered" the wing top. What do you think?

Darwin, O.F.

Yardbird- That has come along very nicely, the base is good as is the weatheringalready a show worthy model. Now because I think your model has so much potntial I think it would benifit from the adition of a light overspray of sand colored paint (Tamiya Dark Yellow works very well for this) all over the model, and then you can get a truly weathered appearance. Also try and add small oil streaks coming out of the engine areas. And I was not shure if you are going to do this but put some debrie piles on the ground by the aircraft.

The skies the limit,

V.A.

Well my idea has changed... slightly. I have several old models, especially a devastator that is missing peices (or an even older dauntless). I still want to do a crash in the rainforests of the pacific northwest. I think I'll use one that I already have! Does anyone have crash pics of a devstator possibly from trainig here in NA? I hope to get on this after the BoB GB.

Count me in for a 1/32 F-105D

Ah. Apperantly I am not a part of this build. I see. Sigh. Another kit to get before 2006.
Perhaps I can Just take my F-16 that I built a while ago. If is covered in glue, completely unpainted, with peeling decals, ad worst of all : It is lopsided. If you look at it head on, there is quite a noticable slant. Anyway, Would it be Okay If I just took a hammer to it?

Ok, I'd like to join this build as well... put me in for a 1/48 TH-1F from MASDC... parted out...

Darwin, on the aluminum that's been exposed to the sun for 20+ years without any TLC, it sorta oxidizes to a dull aluminum color. Sometimes has streaks from where paint is wearing off from rain, etc. I used to think that the NMF B-52s were one solid color of aluminum over a white base! Hope this helps...

QUOTE: Originally posted by EC-130CrewChief Ok, I'd like to join this build as well

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blackcat (kristopher brummel)

Well I tok a few seconds today and have updated the build member list.

j.s.harrison
A6Efan
EC-130CrewChief

The skies the limit,

V.A.

Got started on my build; here's some pictures...

Here's the right side after cutting... ever have that feeling that you *might* be in over your head with a kit??? The bottom fuselage is from another kit, I put it there for comparison...

Another picture of the two fuselage halves.

The basic floor, with a few stringers put in. I've still to add some details to the floor and possibly open up another panel or two on it.

Good start so far. I'll post some of my F-105D progress pics later today.

Here are some photos of the detail work on the landing gear & doors of my F-105. The Trumpeter kit is massive but the landing gear, gear doors and wheel wells lack detail. I used reference photos from the book ‘F-105 walk around’ to try and get the detail right or at least close to the real thing.
The interior of the kit doors are just plain smooth plastic with ejector pin marks in them. I used white putty to fill the pin marks. I also used my Dremel grinding bit to thin the edges of the gear doors.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Maingeardoor1.jpg

The main gear doors also have raised rivets along the door edges. I made a simple template from masking tape to mark where the rivets will be placed. I used a #11 blade to make the marks and then used a drill bit to make small holes. I used stretched sprue as the rivets and attached them with Pro-weld.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Maingeardoorrivettemplate.jpg

I added structural detail to the gear doors using sheet styrene and brass sheet cut and bent to shape.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Maindoorsmodified.jpg

There are a pair of small wheel doors that are just as plain as the large ones. These doors received the same treatment for detail.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Smallmaingeardoors.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Smallgeardoorsmodified.jpg

I used the after market metal landing gear for this kit and added brake lines and electrical lines for the taxi light in each main gear.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/CorrectedStbdgear.jpg
That’s all for now. More to follow soon.
Thanks for looking

Hello fellow group builders. Here are some starting photos of the After the Battle group build that I’m working on. The subject is the Trumpeter 1/32 F-105D.
First photos are of the inside starboard rear fuselage and starboard wing areas that are marked with pencil to show where the panel lines are on the exterior. This will be the battle damaged areas.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/enginebaymarking.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/InteriorRt.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Verticlefinbeginning1.jpg

With those areas marked, I begin the application of the Bare Metal Foil on the exterior surface of the areas that will be battle damaged. This was also done with the starboard outer Pylon and the vertical stabilizer.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/BMFapplicationexteriorfuselage.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/ApplyBMFtowingexterior.jpg

After the foil is applied, I began thinning the plastic of those areas using a Dremel with a round grinding bit. (If you use this technique, remember to grind down gradually and as evenly as you can.) The plastic is thinned down enough so that you can start to see the foil appearing translucent through the plastic. I stopped thinning it with the Dremel at that point and used 400 grit sandpaper to get an even thin skin. Next I applied foil over the thinned area. This was done on the upper and lower wing halves and to the right side of the right outboard pylon. Use a Q-tip to press the foil down so that you don’t puncture the thin skin.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Thinningupperinteriorwing.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/Thinnedinteriorwingbottom.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/upperwinginteriorBMFapplication.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/BMFappliedtopyloninterior.jpg

Next came the building the structure of the interior of the wing, fuselage and vertical stabilizer. I used a skeleton drawing of the F-105 as a reference of where bulkheads, spars and linkages were located. Since I planned for a large hole caused by AAA to be in the fuselage, I had to build the bulkheads and spars for the port side of the interior as well as the starboard.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/interiorwingstructureapplied.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/1stbulkheadinplaceEng.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/EnginebayBulkheadsinstalled.jpg

That’s all for now. More to follow very soon.
Chris

Too bad its only aircraft...... I could really do wonders with a tank on this one.......

Ahhh, no pics to post... yet...

Got the bulkheads for the two fuselage halves installed, then I discovered that the front of the TH-1F is going to need more work to be presentable... especially going from the plans that I have. So, more work to the front 'office' of the helo...

Hope to have pics up soon!

Here is the F-105 masked and ready for painting for this GB. Note the areas of Bare Metal Foil. This is the area where the battle damage is going to be. If you look at my prior posts you’ll see how these areas were prepped for the BMF. It’s coming along fine so far but it’s not over ‘til the fat lady sings.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105prepaint2.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105prepaint3.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105prepaint1.jpg

QUOTE: Originally posted by tankergeoff Too bad its only aircraft...... I could really do wonders with a tank on this one.......

Early on I asked the Tank forum if they would like to join in but no one wanted too, so tanks were not included. But now that I see two people wanting to join with them I gonna have to put your guys names up on the list.

A6Efan-Great looking work, you have really progessed far, keep posting.

The skies the limit,

V.A.

ATTENTION GROUP BUILD MEMBERS:

DUE TO A LACK OF INTEREST AND PARTICIPATION THE BUILD WILL BE TEMPORALY CLOSED UNTILL FURTHER NOTICE.

THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS HOWEVER WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE POSTING AS THEY HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING.

yardbird78

A6Efan

EC-130CrewChief

The skies the limit,

V.A.

VA,
I am sorry to see the lack of participation in this GB. I did take your advice on the B-727 desert storage dio and gave the whole plane a light mist coat of the same tan color used for the sand on the base. I put a couple of oil streaks on the #3 engine and a few pebbles, (boulders in this scale), on the base. I have not been able to come up with anything in the line of "debris" that I thought looked appropriate.
I do have to admit that I have been spending most of my modeling time on a couple of other projects. I got laid off at work 3 months ago and have been spending most of my time looking for a new job. That really sucks at 62 years old.

Darwin, O.F.

QUOTE: Originally posted by yardbird78 VA, I am sorry to see the lack of participation in this GB. I did take your advice on the B-727 desert storage dio and gave the whole plane a light mist coat of the same tan color used for the sand on the base. I put a couple of oil streaks on the #3 engine and a few pebbles, (boulders in this scale), on the base. I have not been able to come up with anything in the line of "debris" that I thought looked appropriate. I do have to admit that I have been spending most of my modeling time on a couple of other projects. I got laid off at work 3 months ago and have been spending most of my time looking for a new job. That really sucks at 62 years old. Darwin, O.F.

First off I want to extend to you my sympathy about your job lose, I really am sorry that happened and hopefully your gonna be able to find another one soon.

Next Im glad that your build has come out good, and in the way of debris things you can put on the ground that usually are abundant in aircraft boneyards could include plywood sheets and 2x4s with aircraft parts, and just some unidetifyable pices of machinery, or even a wheel from the aircraft?

Again hope everything works out with your job searching.

The skies the limit,

V.A.

QUOTE: Originally posted by yardbird78 VA, I am sorry to see the lack of participation in this GB. I did take your advice on the B-727 desert storage dio and gave the whole plane a light mist coat of the same tan color used for the sand on the base. I put a couple of oil streaks on the #3 engine and a few pebbles, (boulders in this scale), on the base. I have not been able to come up with anything in the line of "debris" that I thought looked appropriate. I do have to admit that I have been spending most of my modeling time on a couple of other projects. I got laid off at work 3 months ago and have been spending most of my time looking for a new job. That really sucks at 62 years old. Darwin, O.F.

My sympathies, Darwin... I too am in the same boat, so I can relate

Here are some pix of my F-105D for the GB. Paints are Tamiya and as you can see there was some pre-shading done. Enjoy and comments welcome.
Chris
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dpaint1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dpaint2.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/Csaulet2001/F-105Dpaint3.jpg