RAAF 'what-if' Group Build

Swedish Mick

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January 2005
From: Kopparberg, Sweden

Posted by Swedish Mick on Monday, April 18, 2005 1:37 PM

Lots of ideas going on in your head, John! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Nice idea! This GB is perfect, so put me down for a Saab TF-37 Viggen - 1/72 Revell 04365.
It will be RAAF ca 1978, and I think it will be in grey scheme. But we'll have to wait and see ...

Modellbygge iFokus http://www.modellbygge.ifokus.se

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:12 AM

I've had a try at a badge for this GB. For once, it actually complies with the regulations!! Tongue [:P]

Hope you like it, or that it brings on some more badges!
Cheers,
John

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Swedish Mick

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January 2005
From: Kopparberg, Sweden

Posted by Swedish Mick on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:47 PM

I like it! Thanks!

Modellbygge iFokus http://www.modellbygge.ifokus.se

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:06 PM

John

Count me in!

I have 3 possibles...

Panda 1:48 F-35 "conjectural"
Italeri 1:48 F-22 Raptor
Zenghdefu 1:48 Su-35 Flanker (horrid kit, but suitable)

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:45 PM

John this sounds like a lot of fun, but as I said in the Aussie forum I'm busy as at the moment, so put me done as a starter for later in the year. I'll let you know later what I'm going to build.

Cheers
Darren

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:06 AM

G'day all,
I'd join in this GB idea, as yet unknown of subject.

I would point out the RAAF 3 Sqn in North Africa, had several Axis aircraft apart from the Bf 109g-6 [RAAF markings CV-V = Bobby Gibbs], this is the aircraft that was once flying as 'Black 6 in England, the RAAF at Eagle Farm [Queensland], had been flying the Zero and several other Japanese aircraft types, from this base.

3 Sqn RAAF also flew a variety of both German and Italian aircraft types, all carried the markings of CV-V

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:43 AM

G'day Lobbie,
Thanks for that info, but I guess we're talking mainly about captured Axis a/cs here, as opposed to a/cs actually brought to Aussie as a concious choice for the RAAF. I'm sure that, when the RAAF was formed, the commanders didn't ever envisage using a Fokker Triplane or anything like that.
Therein lies the difference.
BTW you're added to the builder's list. Thumbs Up [tup]

Cheers,
John

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:58 AM

Im in.. I have already signed on to do a Japanese JASDF T-4 trainer in Australian markings for the trainer GB.. I could kill 2 birds with the one stone!.

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:34 AM

Well I had a look through the stash tonight and came up with zip. Most of the aircraft I've got are mossie's, beaufighters & spitfires etc which the RAAF used. I am going to need a bit of think music on this one.

Darren

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:57 AM

Darren

Get yourself a cheap F-104 or Harrier SHAR1 (RAN)

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 22, 2005 1:34 AM

What about an F-20 Tigershark? Or even a F-14 Tomcat? Tongue [:P]

I'm resonably sure the RAAF never flew those! Big Smile [:D]

- Calvin

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Friday, April 22, 2005 1:45 AM

Hey Calvin.. I have an old F-14 sitting in a box in pieces, that I was thinking about re-doing.. I also half started a new F-15J a few months ago , but never finished it. I also thought about that one for an Australian what if!

So Cal, does this mean you are joining us Aussies on this one?? Wink [;)]

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Friday, April 22, 2005 1:47 AM

Calvin

I am doing a "what if" F-20 myself...I call it the F/A-20A Tigersnake. I am sure if Northrop were successful the F-20 would be every where. Australia would have purchased over 100 of them as they would have be 3/4 the cost of the Hornet.

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 22, 2005 4:18 AM

Mike, does that mean I should put you down on the GB build list for the F-20?
Just give us a hoy if so.
Cheers,
John
P.S. It's bad form, I know, but I still haven't decided what I'm going to do. Considering a RAAF A-10 though.

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Friday, April 22, 2005 5:13 AM

John

I am building a RAAF "what if" F-20 for an ARC F-5 GB. But if this GB starts after I am finished, I will have to pick another subject to do. Do you have firm dates yet?

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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darson

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February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Friday, April 22, 2005 8:49 AM

Thanks for the suggestions guys they are some cool ideas. I must admit the Sea Harrier sounds like a great idea. Mike who makes a nice cheap SHAR1? I was also thinking of maybe grabbing a Revell AG Hawker Hunter?? I just don't know yet, I think with this build the decision is going to be half the fun.

Cheers
Darren

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madmike

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July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Friday, April 22, 2005 6:29 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by darson

Thanks for the suggestions guys they are some cool ideas. I must admit the Sea Harrier sounds like a great idea. Mike who makes a nice cheap SHAR1? I was also thinking of maybe grabbing a Revell AG Hawker Hunter?? I just don't know yet, I think with this build the decision is going to be half the fun.

Cheers
Darren

Darren

Best one to go for would be the Italeri SHAR1. It is the rebadged Esci one and is a beaut model.

Hunter is good as well, I seem to recall that the RAAF were interested in the Hunter but the Sabre was a better offer particularly after the poor performance of the Meteor during the Korean War.

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Friday, April 22, 2005 6:52 PM

Everyone keeps comming up with great ideas!.. I have never built a Harrier, but have always wanted to do one!.. I am usually a traditionalist, and like doing models as the actual subject. But this group build has got my mind racing.. I still plan on doing the BAe Hawk in Japanese colors. But I think I will change my T-4 to the Harrier in Australian low vis scheme.. I still plan on doing a T-4, but I might just put it on the back burner! Sorry to who ever is going to do a Harrier.. But I have been looking for an excuse to do a Harrier myself.. Just what Harrier do you think Australia would have gone with, if they did chose it?

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

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July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Friday, April 22, 2005 7:17 PM

Chris

The RAN were going to purchase the HMS Invincible just before the Falklands War in 1982. After that the RN came to it's senses and not only kept the Invincible but built 2 more carriers.

So that would be the "historical" reason. Go for a Sea Harrier FS1. Best kit is the Italeri offering as it is a reboxed Esci kit, long regarded as the best on the market thus far. Alternatively Hasegawa do one as well that might be more readily available where you are, though it is not as easy to build or as accurate.

So you could have RAN Sea Harriers c1990 on a new HMAS Sydney - ex Invincible class aircraft carrier.

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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darson

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February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Friday, April 22, 2005 11:16 PM

I'm really liking the idea of the Sea Harrier more and more because I wanted to do a real "what if" for this build if you know what I mean. I wanted to pick an aircraft that the Aust forces could have used if historical circumstances were a little different. But that's just my slant on this build
Question to John and everybody else, the title of the GB is RAAF 'What-If" but the aircraft I'm thinking of doing would be an RAN kite. Does this matter? The same question would apply for choppers that the Aussie might have used, these are actually army birds but would they count for the GB?

Cheers
Darren

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 23, 2005 4:18 AM

I guess we could allow the Harrier. And the Super-Lynx. And the Apache, etc.
So yeah, no worries.
Cheers,
John

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madmike

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July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Saturday, April 23, 2005 6:28 AM

John

So is the idea that we can expand to RAN "what if's"?

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:34 PM

Yeah mate. I guess we could rephrase it to be "ADF A/C What-If", but I'm too lazy! Tongue [:P]

Cheers,
John

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 24, 2005 2:56 PM

Just read last nite that since the RAAF plans to retire it's F/A-18 Hornets in the 2008-2010 timeframe and the F-111's soon afterward, they are looking a purchasing some upgraded used F-15's, new F/A-18E/F Super Hornets or even the F-22. Since this doesn't start for a while, you can put me down tentively for a RAAF F-20. I may change my mine to the Tomcat, though! LOL - Calvin

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:35 PM

I have a feeling that by knowing the Australian Government. They will want to try and fly every single dollar out of those F/A-18's. So for my thinking 2008-2010 would seem a little too close for retirement..

I do think however that an airwing made up of F-15's would be the best thing that Australia could do. 20 years ago!. .Why we never had F-15's patrolling the North of Australia at long range, is totally beyond me?.. I would definately love to see the F-15 in RAAF markings, but I dont think it will happen..

Australia was actually the first country to put hard corrency down for the F-35, but from what I have heard, have gone cold, and the F-22 information seems correct .. The new F/A-18E-F's sounds like they will be a great investment. But as always, the Australian government is always 10 years behind when it comes to this kind of thinking.. The F-111's will fall out of the sky one by one, before they get retired. And I think personally the Australian government should be using the idea of the F/A-18E-F's for a future roll in the Australian Navy.. A few reconditioned second hand US carriers is what we should be looking at!.. Will never happen. But that is my thinking!..

Australia's biggest problem is our distance.. ALthough the world is getting smaller, we are a long way away, and we have a massive land mass to protect.. Adding to that, New Zealands lack of self defence, and relying on Australian protection. Why we dont have 1 or 2 carrier fleets is totally beyond me.. I understand money is a big factor. But unless we build them ourselves, or invest in something that be given new life. I just feel that our military is just falling apart.. I also understand that we dont have the manpower to put on them..

But if you really dont have a Navy, as we dont now. Then you dont have people wanting to join it.. To be honest with the list of ships we have, I have been on bigger fishing boats. (Jokes).. Why would anyone want to join.. Put a few F/A-18E-F's on one, and you will have them lining down every major street in Australia to sign up!.. I honestly believe that!

For countries that not only go to the trouble of comming all that way to get us, but then having a carrier feet or 2 to get through before they do. Would in my opinion be more than enough to deter them!

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:45 PM

Chris

The RAN are getting two LHD (landing helicopter deck) carriers. They will deploy helo's initially but they are certainly big enough to deploy Harriers at a future date if some one with foresight arranges purchase.

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:47 PM

I had also heard that aswell Mike.. I can understand that being a financially better way to spend the money for now.. But as usual, there will be a bungle, and what we think we are paying for now, will indead cost twice as much when it finally makes it into service. The money spent could then in hionsite, been spent on a project worthy of the dollars.. I dont know if I am just being Defence ministry basher. But alot of sillyness has prevailed over the years by both governments of thier day.. Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread.. just had to get that out.. Feel much better now!

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

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July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:05 AM

oh yeah, understand that as well. Hopeefully nothing as momentously stupid as Beazley's purchase of the Collins class subs!!

So, is it a Sea Harrier you are going to build?

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Monday, April 25, 2005 7:14 AM

It's actually the 1/72 Hasegawa AV-8B Harrier II Plus... I am in the process of decalling it.. After I detail it, and paint the landing gear, it will be done.. Pictures to come.. I also have a half built F-15J that is sitting there. And with all the ADF talk, is screaming out to me for Australian markings!

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Monday, April 25, 2005 8:18 PM

Ok guys, here is a sneak peak at my Aussie Navy Harrier!

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Monday, April 25, 2005 11:34 PM

Well guys, I am on holiday and bored, so it seems like I am being the thread pig here. So sorry guys, but this subject has really taken my interest, and so I have been mad busy doing this Harrier.. Probably a little too involved, as I have actually completed it.. I have shown a few progress shots above, but here it is completed..

"What if" R.A.N Royal Australian Navy AV-8B Harrier II Plus

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:04 AM

Chris

Love it mate!!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:22 AM

Chris, great build mate. Love the look of the Harrier and it looks great in RAN livery!
Still not sure what I'll be building yet though Tongue [:P]

Cheers,
John

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:03 AM

Thanks Mike, appreciate it!..
John, after we were talking above, there were a few aircraft mentioned. In particular the F-15.. I have one sitting around, and might add that one to this build, but want to have a break for a while, as I am in the Trainer GB aswell.. Plus, I am very interested in seeing what someone else would come up with in regard to an Australian RAAF F-15!.. Not a big fan of the F-22, and have seen one done in Australian markings, and it simply didnt look right? Anyways mate, very interested in what you come up with!

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:45 AM

I don't bloody believe it, I finally make up my mind on a build, order it from GMW along with the Eduard detail set and then Chris goes and beats me to the punch Angry [:(!]

Yes I am building the 1/72 Hasegawa AV-8B Harrier II Plus as well, the only difference will be that mine will be in RAAF livery.

Chris that's a beautiful job you've done there, well done Thumbs Up [tup]

As a by the by can you tell me what if anything you get in the way of ordinance, gun pods, ECM or AN/ALQ pods? Also what did you think of the kits cockpit, fit & detail?

Thanks
Darren

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:07 AM

Sorry Darren, I hope it hasnt put you off any.. Infact , as I always think of Navy, or Marines when it comes to the Harrier. I never really thought about doing one as a RAAF Harrier.. I for one will be very interested in how it turns out!

As for that kit, you only get the gun pod for the under belly, or you have the option for putting strates. To be honest, basically what you see on the cover art, is all you get..

As for the kit, I had no problems with it, other than if the turbine behind the cockpit isnt positioned right. You will have a little difficulty getting the top of the halves to go together. So you may need a little carpentry, and if it doesnt go, then use a little bit of force, but other than that, the kit was great! First one I have ever built. And I enjoyed it, although I was a little quick! Cant wait to see it when your done!.. As for mine, as we dont have any Navy Aircraft. I had to make up tail markings for mine..

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

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July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:18 AM

Might be some truth in it yet, Chris....

There is a rumour that the RAAF might lease F-15E's to tide them over when the 'varks are retired.

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:51 AM

Hahaha , like I said. The way our government works. They will fall out of the sky before they are retired!.. (added piece) After writing my first comment laughing. I found an article concerning the retirement of the F-111, and how Indonesia, Malaysia, and China are going to purchase a great deal of the Su's.. In the statement it related to Australia loosing its air superiority, and that countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia are realising that they need to buy these aircraft in order to have the upper hand.. The article talked a little about the JSF, but I for one dont know what the story is at the momment concerning Australia owning any, and now I find myself in the position of not wanting the RAAF to invest in the F-15E because I simply like it. But because we simply NEED it!.. Very interested on others thoughts about that!

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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darson

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From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:50 AM

Chris, thanks for the input on the Harrier, it looks as though I'm going to have to pick up one of Hasegawa's weapon sets so that I can put some ordinance on my bird. The decals that I'm using for this are from Aussie decals and belong on 79 Squadron's LIF Hawk 127.

I read the other day that Lockheed Martin, said that they were currently over 18 months behind, which means the F-35 will be delivered in 2013, at the earliest. The Aussie govt has until 2006 to make up its mind on whether they purchase the aircraft or not, so who knows what will happen. Personally I believe that the date will continue to slip, the price will continue to rise and we will be lucky to see a production aircraft before 2016. Oh and didn't anybody the govt that you never buy version 1.0 of anything.
IMHO we should equip ourselves with a reasonable size force of 'of the shelf' cost effective F-18 E/Fs and use them as until the F-35 has been in production for a few years and the yanks start rolling out the F-35C, at which time it will be a world beater.

Cheers
Darren

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Chris_in_Japan

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November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:27 AM

I really do believe that we need to purchase about 40-50 F-15E's, and put a fright back into the Indonesians.. I am sure 40-50 F-15E's in the hands of Australian pilots dying to fly something with substance would be no match for the Indo's in thier Russian toys..

And I am not talking 10 years time, I think as of 2007, Have the F-15's head the fleet with the remaining F/A-18's in a support role, and then we can wait as long as it takes for the F-35.. I think this way we can have our bases covered, and the F-111 can be given a respectable out sooner!

I truelly do think we have some of the best pilots.. Pitty they are given Billy Carts to fly?

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:52 AM

I had been planning this project for a while now, and didnt think about using it in this GB.. But I wanted to share it, as I have already done the "what if" Harrier.. This was a Phantom that I had in Japanese markings, and as I am trying to cut down on my spending, I have decided to use what ever I have 2 of and re-do them.. I am on holidays, so this is helping the boredom factor.. I have a Japanese Phantom that I love, and this was one that I did from a different squadron, so decided to re-do it also.. I have always been interested in Navy Aviation, and always dreamed of Australia having a great Navy fleet.. We never did, and so I guess it was always left up to imagination.. So yesterday I resprayed this model, and today I went through my decal stash, and with the help of Mike (sending me the Aussie roundals) I have just finished putting this bird together!.. I am happy with the way it turned out!

The tail art is of an A U to represent "Australia", and it also has a white 6 to co-inside with the 664 registry, and a small Australian flag to make up the tail design..

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:58 AM

Hi All,

While not a wingy thingy builder, the topic bought back memories of a poster I had many moons ago. It showed two small space craft out near jupiter or venus or somewhere but they had RAAF roundels.

Now that'd be a "What-if" build.

Cheers
Shane

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:14 AM

There you go, Shane! If only you could find a Hammerhead model or something like that to put those roundels on!! - Calvin

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:34 AM

I'll dive into the discussion too by saying that another option for off-the-shelf air-superiority is the Eurofighter Typhoon. Great aircraft and, best of all, they're already here. We aren't even sure if the F-35 will get to full production yet, it may still be shelved due to huge price increases and deadline breaches. Perhaps there's an alternative after all.
Cheers,
John
P.S. I'm thinking I'll build an A-10 Warthog in RAAF colours. Might do a few more than that though! Hope I've got the time!

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Chris_in_Japan

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From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:48 AM

An A-10.. That will be great to see John!.. Cant wait!..

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

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From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:35 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by outback

Hi All,

While not a wingy thingy builder, the topic bought back memories of a poster I had many moons ago. It showed two small space craft out near jupiter or venus or somewhere but they had RAAF roundels.

Now that'd be a "What-if" build.

Cheers
Shane

I still have that poster :)

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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darson

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From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:54 AM

John, you can update my details on page 1 with my build if you wouldn't mind. It's an RAAF 1/72 Hasegawa AV-8B Harrier II Plus.

Thanks
Darren

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:34 PM

QUOTE: There you go, Shane! If only you could find a Hammerhead model or something like that to put those roundels on!! - Calvin

Hey Calvin,

I'd love to give it a go but I'm living in a tent at the moment so modelling is a bit of a struggle. I'll save this one for a time when I have the space.

QUOTE: I still have that poster :)

Mike, I might give you a yell when we've settled down in WA (about 6 - 8 months away at this stage). I'd love to get a scan or photo or whatever and scratchbuild one.

Cheers

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:36 PM

Not a problem, that gives me time to find it!!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:08 AM

Hey John, I saw your F/A-18 in the Attack GB, and wanted to do the same one, but watched the Aussie Decals disintigrate before my eyes. How did you get them to work.. This has happened to me with 2 sets, and 3 years in between purchases.. Mike gave me a few ideas that I will try, but very interested in how you got them on the model.. I am talking about the sharks mouth 3 squadron decals on the whitish paper..

Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:04 AM

Quite simple, Chris. I gave them a VERY thorough soaking in HOT water, holding the edge of the backing paper with a pair of tweezers. I applied a coat of MicroSet to the surface of the model, where I was going to place the decal. I then held the edge of the decal near the position I wanted it, sliding it on with the flat of my thumb. Note: VERY gentle pressure is needed here, don't force the decal off the backing paper. It takes a little while to rise off the paper. Once the decal was placed on the model in the approximate position, I used a large flat brush dipped in MicroSet to coax the decal into it's exact position. A brush of MicroSet around the edges of the decal helped it snuggle over the bumps and into panel lines.
Yes, they're very thin, delicate decals, however they're great decals if treated right. Main points are lots of water to get them off the paper (when you think they're ready to come off, place your thumb lightly on them and slide it. If they don't shift instantly, more soaking time is needed.), some sort of decal solvent on the surface and a VERY gentle hand in exact placement. That's why I prefer to use a brush.
Hope that helps, tell me when/ if you try them next.
Cheers,
John
P.S. I'm working on a livery for the 'Aus-10'. Because it's ground attack, it'll be a green/tan/black 'AusCam' job, a bit like the Nomad was painted.

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:14 AM

Thanks mate, appreciate that!.. The A-10 sounds great, cant wait to see it!

Chris in Japan

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:52 PM

I feel the need to start that "special project" Chris......

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Friday, April 29, 2005 2:39 AM

Mike, I have been waiting for you to say those magical words!!.. I hope all is in readyness for the big challenge? he he he.. I have to ask one thing, but as not to spoil it for everyone else, I will ask you in MSN when you are free! Big Smile [:D]

Where is Calvin.. I thought he would be doing something by now? hhhmmm silence is not good! Wink [;)]

Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Friday, April 29, 2005 3:35 AM

Chris

I won't commit just right now, but I have a feeling that it might be so....

Question is...do I use SNEB's or go for Napalm or FAE????

Deep thought required.....

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Sunday, May 1, 2005 7:32 AM

Well it will be great to see when done.. The Mirage III that I am doing has come with alot of bombs that might go on my little Hawk.. I am thinking of arming it to the teeth.. But First I want to start on my new 1/32 Hornet. So the Hawk also for me is way down the line... I do think however Mike, that whatever you do.. Go whole HOGG!!
Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 1:55 AM

what if i build a........a-10 does this pass please advise regard jazz Question [?]

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 8:00 AM

jazz

I reckon that would be fine, love to have seen RAAF A-10's over East Timor!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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darson

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From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 8:09 AM

Well lads I got my Harrier II along with the Eduard zoom set today from Greatmodels. Geez that's a lot of bits for a 1/72 scale kit and all those itsy bitsy PE parts are going to be hours of fun.
I can't start for a while yet, but at least I've got all the bits that I need.

Cheers
Darren

Oh yeah John, GO BOMBERS

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 9:59 AM

I am still trying to decide what to do, Chris has got me revved up to do the Hawk project Smile [:)]

Well we will see!!

Darren..... "GO EAGLES!!"

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 6:05 PM

Hey chaps, I've made a decision about the A-10. It won't be RAAF as such, but an Army Aviation a/c. That means that it'll be painted in AusCam, like our helos.
Stand by for paint layout.
Cheers,
John

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darson

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From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 7:42 PM

John your Army Av A-10 sounds like a really cool idea. What ordinance are you going to put on it?

On my Harrier I found a couple of GBU-16's on an old Revell F-16C that are now going to new home. I tell you the policy of Hasegawa not to include ordinance is a real pain in the a Censored [censored]

s.

Cheers
Darren

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 4:59 AM

john are u going to build the A-10

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 7:33 AM

Yeah, Jazz, I'm building an A-10 Hog, but feel free to do one as well.
Darren: I'll be loading it up with air-to-ground ordinance, the sort of stuff used for infantry support and/or enemy suppression fire missions. Evil [}:)]

As for the Hasegawa policy about ordinance, I'm finding the same with my 1/72 F/A-18A, I only got the AIM-9s and AIM-7s with it. The other underwing pilons are either fuel tanks or empty pilons.
Cheers,
John

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Friday, May 6, 2005 10:15 PM

I am trying to get my other builds done first, to clear the way for this GB

too much building to do, so little time!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:28 AM

Use the force Luke!

Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 9, 2005 2:27 AM

Ok, fellas! Chris, I wasn't trying to scare 'ya! I was making sure I actually still had the F-20 I mentioned! Big Smile [:D]

I just got my household goods from Japan & was still in the process of making sure everything got over here! I was thinking of a two-tone gray scheme but I'm a little tired of seeing grey a/c. Tongue [:P]

Anyone got suggestions? - Calvin

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 9, 2005 7:06 AM

How about a technology demonstrator? Or an aerobatic team livery? That'd be cool!
Cheers,
John

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Friday, May 13, 2005 7:07 AM

Just thought I would give it a bump.. Anyone started, or made any progress?

Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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biscuit3

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From: sunny brisbane australia

Posted by biscuit3 on Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:55 AM

John, id like to get in on this, ive got a f14 that would look good with 3sqn markings and maybe an f16 Propeller [8-]

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:18 AM

MY F/A-20A Tigersnake is going to be done in a derivation of Auscam.

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:18 PM

Shoot! Mike kinda took my idea![:0] LOL Not really, I was thinking of doing up my F-20 in these colors:

The Austrailian Roulettes. Red & White! Nice bright colors! I think I have some extra Aussie Roundels, if not I should be able to get some AM ones. What do ya'll think? Tongue [:P]

- Calvin

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biscuit3

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Posted by biscuit3 on Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:27 AM

hey calvin, how about a su27 in roulette colours that would look awesome Tongue [:P]

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darson

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Posted by darson on Saturday, May 21, 2005 9:40 AM

Michael that's a great idea, a Roulette camo on an SU-27 would look cool.

Calvin go for it, two f-20's in the build won't make any difference if one is done up in Aus Cam and the other is done up as a Roulette.

Cheers
Darren

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biscuit3

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Posted by biscuit3 on Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:59 PM

ive changed my build to a f14 in raaf colours & a gr3 jaguar as well

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:19 PM

Welcome to the build, biscuit3! I'll put you in the build list.
An F-20 in AusCam? Sounds great!! Go for it! And another in the livery of the Red Roulettes?? Great! Can't wait to see these!
Cheers,
John
P.S. While we're on the subject of the Roulettes, here's a great piccie.

Two Roulettes doing the mirror formation over Ninety Mile Beach in Australia.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 7, 2005 3:49 AM

Hey chaps!! Don't let this thread die out! Anybody started?
Cheers,
John

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biscuit3

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Posted by biscuit3 on Tuesday, June 7, 2005 9:07 AM

ive made a start on my f14 in 3sqn colours, but youre right john where has everyone gone?

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darson

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Posted by darson on Tuesday, June 7, 2005 9:00 PM

I've got my model and the decals but I won't be making a start on the build until I clear some other commitments off the workbench.

Darren

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madmike

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From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 2:32 AM

Hopefully this week!

I am struggling with my Airfix Boomerang at the moment and that is demanding my full attention Sad [:(]

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 10:01 PM

I'm attempting to get some $$ then I'll be purchasing the A-10. I was hoping to grab one at the modelling expo this Monday (Queen's Birthday), but my uni gave me a chem exam that day!
Cheers,
John

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 9, 2005 1:44 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by madmike

Chris

The RAN are getting two LHD (landing helicopter deck) carriers. They will deploy helo's initially but they are certainly big enough to deploy Harriers at a future date if some one with foresight arranges purchase.

cheers

Mike

IIRC these ships are planned to be in the 30,000 ton range and there is the chance that the VTOL F-35 maybe purchased for these ships.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 9, 2005 1:46 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by madmike

oh yeah, understand that as well. Hopeefully nothing as momentously stupid as Beazley's purchase of the Collins class subs!!

cheers

Mike

Sorry mate, but i'm going to have to dissagree with you on this matter. The fact is that the Collins class are now one of the best conventional subs currently in use. Don't believe everything that you read in the newspapers.

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biscuit3

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Posted by biscuit3 on Thursday, June 9, 2005 8:00 AM

the collins class subs are very good boats,but the goverment tried to do it on the cheap instead of as they were supposed to be set up, and thats where the problems started .
i mean we decided to do the weapons software ourselves even though we had no experience in this. Typical fort fumble stuff

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Thursday, June 9, 2005 8:20 AM

I do not read newspapers to get info, rather special magazines etc.

Personally I think the Collins class ARE good boats, but the stupid Beazley related decisions (fire control software and computers) resulted in massive after delivery expensives and completion delays. He has a lot to answer for, than and now, for his handling of the defence portfolio during the 80's.

The ADF announced not so long ago an purchase increase in the numbers of the F-35 procurement. This included VSTOL F-35's, which is good news as it may mean the Fleet Air Arm gets back to fixed wing operations again.

I am all for a strong RAN, we are, after all an island and we all know what the last island nation did during the 18th and 19th centuries with a strong navy.

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 9, 2005 7:42 PM

Now now chappies, let's all calm down. Does the Collins class sub really have anything to do with the RAAF? I don't mind some discussion but keep it civil.
Anybody got pics yet?
Cheers,
John

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 10, 2005 1:09 AM

MadMike. Ok I understand where you are coming from. I have a mate on one of the Collins and from the horses mouth, these boats are (now) the bee's knee's. It is just a pity that I can't post some of the stories that I have heard here in a public forum.

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:35 PM

Great to see this thread come alive again.. Sorry that I have been away, but I have been busy with a pretty big sci fi project.. But its nice to talk about planes again.. I have been on and off working on my 1.32 F/A-18, and will be getting back into that. But I do still have a 1/72 Hawk, and F-15 still half assembled waiting for some attention..

As for the RAN.. The F-35's will be ok to throw on a couple of smaller carriers. But as far as Australia is concerned, we have no need for stealth aircraft, as I really cant see us ever being in a situation to warrent them.. We are a country that has to worry about BEING invaded, rather than the other way around.. We should have always had a long range intercept fighter like the F-15 in RAAF colours.. I still think its not to late.. But will never happen.. The F-35 may have all the bells and whistles. But they are not tested and tried, and then we have to wait another 10 years for them? Not smart this idea of buying stuff 10-20 years too late.. We should replace the F-111's at Amberley with F-15's. Replace the very old F/A-18's at Tindall with F-15's.. And the rest of the F/A-18s with Super Hornets.. I say forget the F-35, and just get a couple for the RAN...

Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:51 PM

An idea for the What-if. Anyone remember that during the Mirage replacment comp that the RAAF was looking at the SAAB Viggin ?

It's a pity that the RAAF is not making any noises to keep the FA-18 on in a ground attack role after the get the F-35s. It would make for a better balanced airfarce imho.

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Monday, June 13, 2005 7:29 AM

Super Hornets and the F-15 are the way to go for the RAAF!!!... A few F-35's to re-establish our Navy and we are set... Infact I like that idea so much that when I return to Australia, I am going to run for federal politics, and I will make it clear that I want the defence portfolio!!

Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 13, 2005 8:26 PM

Hey guys, because I'm really lazy, could you please post what your build is/will be. That way I can update the build list. I get the feeling that it's a bit out of date.
To start: I'll be building an AAAvn (Australian Army Aviation) A-10 Warthog.
Cheers,
John

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darson

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Posted by darson on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:06 AM

Dave I think from memory that Swedish Mick was going to do an RAAF Viggen for this build.

Sorry John no progress yet.

Darren

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biscuit3

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Posted by biscuit3 on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:19 AM

chris you got my vote Party [party]

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:56 PM

Hahaha thanks biscuit..

I now have you and my mum for votes.....

Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:23 PM

Vote 1 Chris for Minister of Defence Folio!! you got my vote, Chris! Big Smile [:D]

That's 3 now!
Cheers,
John

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:20 PM

Hey Chris, I will give you my vote as well!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:58 AM

Better start packing my bags for Canberra then?

Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 16, 2005 5:11 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, we welcome Senator, the Honourable, Chris!!! Bow [bow]

hehehe
Cheers,
John

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:13 AM

As long as he is in the right political party!!

Can we have Sea Harrier SHAR-2's please Mr Defence Minister?

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 16, 2005 7:50 AM

LOL here we go, now that you're in Parliament, Chris, the voters are going to start demanding results!!! Big Smile [:D]

For me, I'd like to see some F-15s in the RAAF, some M1A2s in the Army and an aircraft carrier or two for the RAN!
Cheers,
John (voter)

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Thursday, June 16, 2005 8:23 AM

John

1:72 Hasegawa Northrop F/A-20A "Tigersnake"

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Friday, June 17, 2005 7:01 AM

Well, to be honest, when it comes to our Navy.. As we are a very large Island nation (Continent).. Why we have a Navy of fishing boats and catamarans is beyond me..

I once said that we should have atleat 2 aircraft carriers "2nd hand Nimits class if we have to, and another person said, we wouldnt have the people to put on them.. I just say this..

If we had ships, that had stuff fly off them, then you would see kids lining up down the street to join the Navy.. Secondly. We have a large unemployment problem in Australia, and 1 or 2 years of compulsary service like most European countries have, then we would also have a greater pool to choose from. Also.. Instead of sending kids to homes and prisons where they will learn better skills as criminals. I suggest they be sent into a military environment that they will not only be forced to comply with laws, but also they might just come out of it with some skills, and a life!.. There you go, I have just filled 2 carriers and added extra manpower to all forms of the military!

Christopher Lee Patterson Federal Member for (Umm, the new Australian Union of West Japan)..

Chris

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Saturday, June 18, 2005 5:41 AM

Chris

I reckon between 3 and 4 smaller carriers would be good, bigger than the Invincible class but smaller than the current US supercarriers, Our budget simply could not afford to run them!

Could fly off Hornets or SHAR2's or even F-35B's!!

BTW, you should get your decals soon

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:14 AM

you mean by what if, what if we had a airforce lol all we got are old hamy downs from the usa lol

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Saturday, June 18, 2005 9:00 PM

not quite, we purchased the F/A-18's, F-111C and BAe Hawk 127 brand spanking new.

When the USAF decided to retire the F-111G, the ADF snapped up a bundle of them cheap for spare parts and replacement airframes.

The RAN went a bit silly and got the Kaman's as a refurbished sale...

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:40 AM

Thanks Mike, look forward to getting back to work on my Hornet... I again appologise for the slackness on my part!

I havnt been around much, because I have been putting a whole heap of my built models on Auction here in Japan..

Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:22 AM

SELLING them?????

why mate?

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:00 PM

Well, to be honest, I just felt that I was going a little over board with my collections.. So I just wanted to tone it all down to just a few select models to display.. Also, there are a few new models that I would like to get, and so thought I would clean out house a little for extra cash and start again..

Chris

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

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Posted by madmike on Friday, June 24, 2005 6:51 AM

Well I primed all the cockpit parts today. Time to start detail painting!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Chris_in_Japan

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Sunday, July 3, 2005 8:07 PM

Would it be rude for me to say that maybe we are ready to put a tombstone on top of this build? Big Smile [:D]

Chris in Japan

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1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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biscuit3

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From: sunny brisbane australia

Posted by biscuit3 on Monday, July 4, 2005 7:04 PM

bit early from the honourable defence minister ,im struggling to build anything at the moment but i am plodding along on my tomcat Propeller [8-]

mick

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 8:26 AM

Well my modeling has turned into a job for me now.. So I have had to put my personal builds on hold... But as minister for defence.. I simply cant seem to see what I have as a future strategic plan for Australias defence in the comming decades? Gentlemen.. Your country needs you!.. I cant stress this enough? Plus there are nice big fat juicy government contracts at stake here!

Chris Patterson Honourable Member..

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 8, 2005 10:19 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by AusLexusJapan

Would it be rude for me to say that maybe we are ready to put a tombstone on top of this build?

No, it wouldn't be rude.....maybe a bit hasty though! Tongue [:P]

It seems that there are still a few of us here. As Defence Minister, you could do what the rest of the MPs do and leave the real work to the underpaid, underappreciated lackeys you have working in your sweatshop-like office!! Big Smile [:D]

You could up that point at the next question time in Parliament ("Would the minister please explain to the house why this most-important group-build has been allowed to suffer from lack-of-interest and/or lack-of-funding from the party and, furthermore, would the member please brief the house on what he intends to do to get this group-build back to the top of the party's priority listing?") hehehe!!
Cheers,
John

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:39 AM

John.. It has been noted by my parlimentary secretary, and it will be raised in the next session!

Chris

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:03 AM

oi!!

I am still here, I have started my F-20 as well Smile [:)]

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:36 AM

Good to hear Mike! So far, I'm still not sure when I'll get my A-10. I'll be going overseas from Aug 6th to Aug 23rd, so not really sure what'll happen there.
Cheers,
John

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:53 PM

time at the moment is always a problem!

I needed a break so I am building an egg plane Smile [:)]

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:20 AM

Mike: pardon my ignornace but, what is an 'egg plane'?
Cheers,
John

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biscuit3

Member since
December 2004
From: sunny brisbane australia

Posted by biscuit3 on Saturday, July 30, 2005 6:21 AM

HELLO!!!! is anyone there? ,hows everyones builds going Zzz [zzz]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 30, 2005 6:28 AM

We're here. Only just! Big Smile [:D]

How's your build going, biscuit3?
Cheers,
John

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biscuit3

Member since
December 2004
From: sunny brisbane australia

Posted by biscuit3 on Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:55 AM

plodding along ,everythings going a bit slow as im getting major renovation work done on my place and its a bit hard to sneak out to the shed Disapprove [V]

but hopefully ill get some done this week Propeller [8-]

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Monday, September 5, 2005 11:43 PM

31st of July was the last post!.. Guys, I go away for a minute and the place falls apart?.. Just jokes, but I thought I would give this thread a bump anyways!

I have started again on my 1/32 RAAF Hornet.. I know it wasnt in the original plans, but I have all but completed my RAAF Collection, and this is my baby!.. Has its own space in the living room all set out.. I am getting rid of pretty well much my whole modeling collection in all subjects.. I have enjoyed building them all, but I am finding that less is best!.. And a few extra dollars go into the pocket for stuff that I really really want!

Cheers Chris

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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biscuit3

Member since
December 2004
From: sunny brisbane australia

Posted by biscuit3 on Monday, February 20, 2006 12:15 PM

Sleepy [|)] BUMP!!!! Shy [8)] Black Eye [B)]

had to look hard to find this thread,i have just about finished my f14 in 75 sqn colours

once i figure out my digital camera i will post pictures mick Propeller [8-]

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Aussie747

Member since
July 2004
From: Canberra, Australia

Posted by Aussie747 on Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:31 PM

Hi guys,

I would like to join the build as well if I can? Big Smile [:D]

I already have a few RAAF/RAN what ifs in the collection, I am planning a couple of F-15s in RAAF markings. They will both be D models in service with 2OCU. In my What if RAAF we bought F-15s instead of the Hornets back in the late 80s, they equip the fighter SQNs and we are just replacing the F-111s with E models. So of the 2 I am building one will be in Air superiority greys and the other in Gunship grey as 2OCU now trains all fighter and strike pilots. If I have time I have an Airfix E that will also be done as a 1 or 6SQN jet. I also have a C I could do as a 77SQN jet (if I the have time and inclination).

Here are some of my previous What If builds:

Italeri X-35 as a RAAF F-35 in 1SQN red flag markings

Mincraft B777 as 34SQN VIP transport

Airfix P-61 'Silver Widow'

Matchbox HS-125 as 34SQN VIP transport

Cheers

Ray

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Monday, February 27, 2006 7:47 AM

Definately needs a bump.. You guys suck.. Why are you all being so quiet?... Nah.. Just kidding.. But would be a shame to see a good idea for a build just dissapear!..
Chris

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Aussie747

Member since
July 2004
From: Canberra, Australia

Posted by Aussie747 on Monday, February 27, 2006 3:19 PM

Well to keep this thread running along....

I dragged the F-15s out of the roof on the weekend. I found my 2 F-15Ds and and a C. I also have an Airfix, Academy and AMT F-15E floating around the modelling room. I now remember that I had actually thought about doing the C as a Roulette jet, in the old orange white colours. I have a 1/72 Hawkeye Roulettes sheet I could use. Though I suppose I could use certain decals from the sheet and try and do the red and white scheme. Once I clear a few projects from the bench I will dive into these Propeller [8-]

Another thought I had regard ing th eRoulettes schem was to use the Hawkeye decal on an A37, though I have since gotten rid of the kit!

Cheers

Ray

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biscuit3

Member since
December 2004
From: sunny brisbane australia

Posted by biscuit3 on Monday, February 27, 2006 3:37 PM

well the tomcat is finished,just gotta get the hang of posting photos ive changed over from

dial up internet so im still ironing the bugs out looks like its just you and me ray...oh and chris

mick Propeller [8-]

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Aussie747

Member since
July 2004
From: Canberra, Australia

Posted by Aussie747 on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:28 AM

Well Mick,

At least there are 3 of us!

Here is another I prepared earlier Smile [:)]

This is the 1/72 Fujimi F-4S(UK) as a 724 Anniversary aircraft in a disruptive camo scheme. In my RAN FAA the RAN operated F-4s and these were about to be phased out (in 1986) for new Hornets which would be based on the new HMAS Australia ((refurbished USS Midway).

Cheers

Ray

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:54 AM

Excellent stuff!!

... Its funny you should post those, because I did something similar last year. Also in 1/72 scale.

The first pics are of my what if Australian Navy Harrier..... I didnt have my new cam then, so you will have to excuse the bad quality..

And the this is my what if Navy F-4...

I did end up adding a big Navy decal to either side.. But it has since been destroyed for parts on another project, that has also sincee been distroyed, and so it goes on...

Chris

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Aussie747

Member since
July 2004
From: Canberra, Australia

Posted by Aussie747 on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:10 AM

Yours too (Excellent)!

I had the Hasegawa kit for such a project but got rid of it at a club swap and sell. I still have an Italeri RF18 to do in a Navy scheme, there is also a Italeri GR5 part started on the bench which could end up as a RAAF CAS bird. Also recently got the Revell EH101 which may end up in RAN colours as well. You could go crazy with a thread like this. Have you visited http://www.whatifmodelers.com/, plenty of this stuff there.

Well I will knock the F-15s out of the way first and then see what I can do Smile [:)]

Cheers

Ray

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Friday, March 3, 2006 1:02 AM

Thanks Ray,

I actually got my Revell 1/144 747-400 in the mail with my latest stash.. And I couldnt believe that they didnt include window decals for the windows or the windscreen.. As a fellow Airliner modeler.. Where can I get my hands on a set cheap, or a trade?

Chris

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Aussie747

Member since
July 2004
From: Canberra, Australia

Posted by Aussie747 on Saturday, March 4, 2006 4:33 PM

Chris,

The earlier Revell releases do not come with a lot on the decal sheets. These latest releases (A380, A320, 737-800) all come with very comprehensive decal sheets which include all your data type stencilling and windows, etc...

Flying Colours do a 747 detail sheet (FC44-042) which is availalble from Squadron or Great Models I think. You can also approach the decal manfacturers such as Draw decal (Http://www.drawdecal.com) who can make a custom sheet up for you. I had a set of windscreens made up be Greg( from Drawdecal) which included 747, 737 and DC9 windscreens. I got around 15 windscreen decals for $5US. Drop him on email. I am sure he could also do the cabin windows as well.

I can send you a windscreen decal if you are desperate. I will rat through my decal collection (150 sheets) and see if I can find a spare set of cabin decals.

Cheers

Ray

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 5:55 PM

As the Minister for Defence. I have been going through my new stash, and so I have decided to relegate 2 of my new kits to a what if scheme.. I will be using my 1/144 Revell B-2 Bomber, and the Dragon 1/144 F-117A..

My thinking.. With the popular demand for hybrid automobiles, the need for oil has waned, and the importance and influence of the arab nations has come to a non existant concern, and so the threat of unstable governments come in the way of Asia..

With the upgading of the Indonesian and Malaysian military. Australia has decided that a complete rethink and upgrade of its own forces are a necissary issue.. So with much disscussion, Australia decided to leave the addage of buying what ever they can for the best price, and decide that military might and protection is a must..

In saying this, with the help of the US Government.. (Its in the US's best interest) the Australian government builds a secret base in the Australian desert to provide a home for the new arrivals of the Australian owned B-2 Bomber wing, and F-117A Stealth advanced attack squadron... This is the greatest, and most advanced upgrade to Australia's national interest in the history of Aircraft to wear the flying Kangaroo

Chris

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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biscuit3

Member since
December 2004
From: sunny brisbane australia

Posted by biscuit3 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 11:39 AM

cant wait to see your take on the b2 Cool [8D]

mick Propeller [8-]

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Aussie747

Member since
July 2004
From: Canberra, Australia

Posted by Aussie747 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:47 PM

Time for another BUMP!

Haven't had time to do much, just got back from the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne.

Hope to start some dry fitting on the F-15s this weekend.

Cheers

Ray

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:58 PM

How was it Ray?.. I have only been able to get a 5 minute daily wrap on abc Asia Pacific news here in Japan. And I have listened to a few events on the internet radio..

I dont know if its just me, but the Commonwealth Games are becomming a little like a non event.. Sure we have a million gold medals, but for me, unless you have the rest of the world competing, then it isnt as interesting.. I for one prefer seeing Australia at number 4 on the medal tally at the Olympics, rather than Australia number 1 and winning by 60 gold medals at the Commonwealth Games..

p.s.. You decals are gone on nicely.. Pics over on my other thread..

Chris

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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Aussie747

Member since
July 2004
From: Canberra, Australia

Posted by Aussie747 on Friday, April 28, 2006 12:59 AM

Hi Chris,

Well must have missed the message notification! Only a month ago! The games went well, we saw some athletics, netball and the Rugby 7s finals. We treid to get swimming and cycling tickets but missed out. Gret ato be a part of it and really well organised.

I thought I would bring this thread back to page one. I have started assembly on my 2OCU F-15Ds. Have the cockpits in and fuselages buttoned up. Not going to town just OOB as I will be putting some pilots in them and doing a runway threshold diorama with them. Pics to come soon.

Cheers

Ray

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Aussie747

Member since
July 2004
From: Canberra, Australia

Posted by Aussie747 on Friday, June 9, 2006 6:09 AM

BUMP!

Not much to report, got sidetracked on some other projects, looks like one of the F-15Ds may become a USAF 65th Aggressor SQN bird, some nice decals coming out soon from Afterburner Decals

Ray

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harvs73

Member since
March 2003
From: Melbourne, Victoria

Posted by harvs73 on Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:58 PM

If I get time I will contribute a 1/72 TSR2 in RAAF colours for something different.

Dave Harvey

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Chris_in_Japan

Member since
November 2004
From: Fukuoka Japan / Brisbane AUS.

Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Monday, June 26, 2006 9:23 AM

Wow.. I all but gave up on this thread.. I have been a little bust with Sci-Fi stuff, so havnt even looked in since we lost interest in the builds... Good to see that it hasnt gone too far away!
Chris

On the bench:

1/48 RAAF 3 Sqn F/A-18B

1/150 /1/160 N Scale Japanese Rail diorama.

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