GB RULES

Sounds good to me. How about 5 people?

Why institute more rules that are unenforceable and just make things more complicated? The whole subject of model building in general or GBs in particular is supposed to be fun. If you want to join a particular GB, then do so. If not, then do something else. We don't need more situations where someone is playing "policeman" and saying to someone else, "You didn't follow this particular rule and this is the penalty!" Who is going to be the policeman and spend their precious modeling time deciding who has broken which rule? Just my .

Darwin, O.F.

Well if you put it like that. Sure. To yardbird.

I have to agree with Darwin. Making up rules that can't be enforced is kinda waste of time & will only likely lead to potential flame wars.

Regards, Rick

Rules complicate matters far to often.
With the diversity of preferances people have as to what they like to build, or a topic that interests the individual, you can't always have masses of folk doing the same thing at the same time.

Lets face it, if 2 people wanna do a 'Humvee with flat tires GB', then let em.
You never know how many others may become curious just cause there IS a GB covering that topic.

Modeling is a hobby, and by way of natural law, should not be subject to rules, or anything that stops it being fun for that matter.

guess we just gotta rely on the good ole honesty and responsibility in people then....

wut the hell am i saying!! this is a model building forum

seriously, thats the only path i can see for this

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 Rules complicate matters far to often. With the diversity of preferances people have as to what they like to build, or a topic that interests the individual, you can't always have masses of folk doing the same thing at the same time. Lets face it, if 2 people wanna do a 'Humvee with flat tires GB', then let em. You never know how many others may become curious just cause there IS a GB covering that topic. Modeling is a hobby, and by way of natural law, should not be subject to rules, or anything that stops it being fun for that matter.

Well said Sean

ya, I never really thought about enforcing them. I guess I have to agree, I was just sort of annoyed by one persons post. Anyways, the past is past, I'm over it

QUOTE: Originally posted by rebelreenactor ya, I never really thought about enforcing them. I guess I have to agree, I was just sort of annoyed by one persons post. Anyways, the past is past, I'm over it

Hmmm intrigue,,,, OK Rebel spill ya guts mate, what got you thinking this

John, I tend to agree with you. Personally, I think the whole GB thing is getting a little out of hand. They're all popping up left-right-and-center, and it's too much. Some of them have barely ANY involvement. There is one particular one, kind of irritated me that the guy who started it showed up maybe once a month, and didn't do any work for it. It's like, "ok I feel like building this now, so I'm gonna start a GB".
Granted, whatever rules are proposed, they won't be enforced, and the admins (are they even around) aren't doing anything about it.
On another rant, what's with the badge-wearing without even finishing a build? Sure, some argue it's advertising, but it USED to be shown as a sign of credit, indicating a completed commitment. Now, it's kind of pointless almost.

THe thing I would suggest is if you have support make it an official GB thread with Start end dates and stuff not just _____ GB or leaving it in the How bout ____ GB.
Just my 2 cents

How can this be a problem for you. All subjects aren´t that popular. Let us do what we want. If the GB:s that doesn´t fit your rules of what a GB is bother you, don´t read the threads. (Sorry if I´m harsh, but you´ve made me a bit upset. No hard feelings.)

Regards /Johan

I think the fact that there's so many GBs now is the reason an entirely new forum was created just for them. The matter would be different if it were still the way it used to be- Stickies on the top of indiviual forums. Then I could see a problem with what some see as "useless" threads. But in this case, if there's a thread or GB that ticks you off or rubs you the wrong way, stay away from it!

GBs are individual things organized by individual people with their own ways of doing things. Yes, there's a few guidelines to follow, but these are mostly "tradition", not enforced rules. Rules tend to hamper creativity, and if I'm not mistaken I think creativity is one thing that these forums are trying to promote.

I know for a fact that myself personally likes very obscure subject matters. Hence, one reason I started my own GB as a result of those intrests. Now I also know that becuase of the simple fact they are so obsure that many people wouldn't be attraced to that sort of GB. But I'd like to think I made it an enjoyable experience for those few people who did participate. And if someone didn't post for a while- who cares? I don't try and dictate a set of strict standards to a bunch of people I've never seen.

Now, these views are my own, not anyone else's. If anyone's offended by anything I've said, I apologize. I'm just stating my own .

I'll step down now.

Each individual GB has it's own set of rules as dictated by the organizer(s) and I am fine with that.

Having an overall GB set of rules would be a real turn-off. So I agree with darwin, rick and Lucien.

What would be real nice would to be able to link a GB badge with a GB thread so you don't have to go searching for it.

I have to admit I've joined a few GB's and never got round to building the kit. This could be for any number of reasons.
My modelling goes in fits and starts, it is often extremely slow in progress and I often move on to a new subject when I get bored and it could be a year or more before I go back to it.
However, GB for me allow me to contribute to, and draw on, the experiences of others. I enjoy looking at what other modellers are up to and sharing with them. Take for example the Battle of the Bulge GB. I joined the GB planning on building a C47. However, I never got round to it. I did however contribute to several discussions on everything from whitewash to trees. I learned a lot too!
What I am trying to say is that I enjoy reading the GB Forums, I enjoy sharing with you guys and being affiliated to a club. (The GBs are a little like IPMS SIGs I suppose).

If rules take over then I think that will spoil the enjoyment for many myself included.

Thanks for listening...I feel better now!
Dave

QUOTE: I have to admit I've joined a few GB's and never got round to building the kit. This could be for any number of reasons.

Exactly why we DO need rules. Building IS fun, but creating a pointless thred for the sake of boosting your ego and wearing a badge is a waste. GBs, a year ago, were a way to bring people together on the commonality of a subject. If two to three people chose to build the same thing, well, it's better to not create a GB for it, and just have them share their work on their own, which is always appreciated.

QUOTE: How can this be a problem for you. All subjects aren´t that popular. Let us do what we want. If the GB:s that doesn´t fit your rules of what a GB is bother you, don´t read the threads. (Sorry if I´m harsh, but you´ve made me a bit upset. No hard feelings.)

It's a problem because it creates a lot of clutter for those with ACTIVE participation. Ultimately, you DO have the freedom to do what you want, but this is a community, and as such, should cater to a communal feeling, rather than "what you want". A GB with very little involvement, well it kind of defeats the purpose of a GB.

QUOTE: I have to admit I've joined a few GB's and never got round to building the kit. This could be for any number of reasons.

QUOTE: Exactly why we DO need rules. Building IS fun, but creating a pointless thred for the sake of boosting your ego and wearing a badge is a waste.

What are you saying then? Should I have not contributed to the Bulge GB because I didn't get to start my project? Would you rather I be one of the silent majority who watch but don't contribute? (You don't need to answer that LOL)

When I first started on fsm forums I was under the impression that the badge was 'awarded' at the end of the build. I can see the appeal in that. I can also see that the badges draw attention to the GB and promote them. Both have merit.

I've said it before and I'll say it again,I enjoy building and I enjoy the GB forum. The GB's bring together those with a common interest. Its not about ego and badges, its about community.

Swear I never saw this debate coming from the first post. <- sarcasm

LOL

QUOTE: Originally posted by zokissima It's a problem because it creates a lot of clutter for those with ACTIVE participation. Ultimately, you DO have the freedom to do what you want, but this is a community, and as such, should cater to a communal feeling, rather than "what you want". A GB with very little involvement, well it kind of defeats the purpose of a GB.

Well, if you haven´t noticed it, the topics that no one uses ends up way in the back, and the active ones stays on the top. I´m sure that you must spend hours and hours looking for the GB you wish to post in with all the "clutter"

I'm a newbie to this forum but I've been modeling as an adult for nearly 30 years (wow, is that scary to admit !) and have been involved in modeling clubs for a long time as well. From that perspective, I tend to agree with the fact that these builds are for entertainment, camaraderie and mutual support and having more hard and fast rules in our already overregulated and micro-managed lives is something we don't need. But, by the same token, just throwing group badges onto your signature line wiley-niley means nothing. There are always plenty of people with good intentions whom life, work and family have an awkward way of getting the better of. Our hobby gets what's left over of our time (for most of us, anyway). Most of us a get into the kid-in-the-candystore thing where everything is so cool that we want to do it all... that is until we have to sit down in the hobby room when we've been working all day, the wife is in the next room with a catastrophe to deal with every five minutes, the dog needs to go out for the fifth time that evening to bark at the wind and, you are just staring at your model trying to figure out what you were doing last time around... been there, done that. There will always be the clowns out there posturing by putting up a pile of GB badges that they will really not even try to work on. They're the same ones that come to a contest with a trunk full of models they've been lugging around for years and come in without anything to scope out the contest room for weak or no entry categories so they have a shot at scoring some cheap iron for their wall. That's their problem, not ours... they're jerks, they probably always were jerks and probably will always be jerks. The point is that we all have to make our own decisions on how to handle the builds and to ignore the jerks. My own decision to give a little prestige back to the GB badges is to not display them until I've completed the project. This is my own decision for my own benefit and I do not think less of anyone who does otherwise. I just feel more comfortable about doing it this way. I am listing all the GB's I've committed to, projects chosen and stage that I'm at. I think these group builds are a great idea, but they are what we make of them, participation and sharing our results and discoveries along the road is what will make them great experiences. It's up to each of us to make that happen for ourselves as well as we can. {I'll get off the soap box now.} Chuck

All I want is to build some models and share the experience with other modelers.
I don't care too much about having rules or guidelines.
Let the moderators take care of that.

No rules,modelling rulez....

I think just must be more control in the badges when finish the group because If anybody taka a badge of a closed GB is not fair to show the badge when dont participate on that.

In armorama the bdges are more controlled and The site must have a kind of lock to avoid that situation.

i have actually about 50 models in process and 350 in waiting , to me the fact to participate in a GB motivate me to finish the model

I´m agree the rules must be particular no general rules.

actually im very much motivated to finish all the models and start others in the " assembling line "