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Community Build Project #4 - Ship

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Posted by Wolfp on Sunday, November 2, 2003 3:55 PM
Tom's models or some such. I think they will just based upon the reference I have looked at and the amount of detail missing on this Heller model. It should look pretty smart, providing I dont gak it up...hehe. LOL Jeff, I have too many other hobbies that take up my time, so my production schedule is a leeeetle screwy. I have considered downsizing, however. ;-)

J.B. http://photobucket.com/albums/a303/jbrunyon/

    

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Sunday, November 2, 2003 1:03 AM
Sheesh....I've built 14 ships in the last 2 years...and 2 aircraft, 2 artillery pieces, 1/2 car, and 1/2 tank...

I can loan someone a ship model if they need it!! :-)

Jeff Herne
Modelwarships.com
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Posted by SNOOPY on Saturday, November 1, 2003 10:43 AM
Well, for me, this became the busiest month yet. A bathroom floor and out of town work became a priority for my ship and it still sits with only the hull put together. Not a very good first try for me.
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Saturday, November 1, 2003 4:17 AM
Looking forward to seeing your efforts, Wolfp... Which PE kit are you using? Is it going to improve on the kit a lot?
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Posted by Wolfp on Friday, October 31, 2003 11:07 PM
Heh...I have the hull and all the superstructure complete. I will soon start my first PE job, probably be another month before this is finished.

J.B. http://photobucket.com/albums/a303/jbrunyon/

    

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Friday, October 31, 2003 6:27 AM
Wolfp, I'm far from being finished on mine... I've just found out about a book that might give me some more info, so as far as I'm concerned, it's being put aside for a week or so until that book arrives.
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Posted by Wolfp on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:11 PM
So,

How is everyone doing on this one? I have yet to get finished and only 3 days until the deadline. Dont think I am going to make it...heh.

J.B. http://photobucket.com/albums/a303/jbrunyon/

    

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 22, 2003 8:49 PM
I'm new here and am wondering, what is a community build project? Is it where several people build a kit at the same time and keep everyone updated on progress. If it is, is it too late to get in on this? Sounds like fun.

Paul
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:28 PM
Hey Domi!
Thanks for the compliment, but I'm afraid it's not competition quality in any sense. I'm happy I chose it and it's going to be a really good learning experience. I will say that it's a GREAT way to get in a 'fix' when you can't get to the bench. Very few tools are required and it's pretty easy to work on something like this while your hanging out in the living room with the wife and kid.

A fellow club member has built some airplanes from paper and they looked awesome. I'd like to try one of them too...

Murray
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:19 PM
Snoopy,

I didn't actually print anything on cardstock, however I wish I had done so for several of the 'structural' parts (ie. hull and deck pieces). Most printers will accept thicker card-stock if they are set correctly for it. The color-laser I use is a Techtronix and it has a setting that allows thicker papers to go through. If not, then maybe the best solution is to get it color photocopied on top of some thicker paper.

The instructions for the Ambrose have recommendations that some of the pieces should be about 1mm thick. I don't think this would go through a printer, so the only way I could think of doing this was by using something like 'matt board' similar to the stuff used in picture framing. It's pretty thick and rigid. The other alternative would be to use some thin cardboard, maybe like the stuff that's on the back of a pad of paper. (If you have an old 'binder', you can rip the covering off and I think there's cardboard inside there that would work.) If you just attached the print-out with some spray adhesive you should be able to cut the pieces out no problem.

Here's what I'd recommend (based on my vast experience of building about half of one model...)
Hull, Decking and other major pieces - use thin cardboard or matt board with the patterns stuck on top.
Main deck structures/buildings/etc - use thick paper. Something around the thickness of a file folder would be good. Use the thickest stuff you can get to go through the printer without any problems. (A file folder might be too thick for a printer, but you get the picture.)
Anything cylindrical or round - chances are that paper will work best for this. The thicker stuff doesn't really 'roll' very well...

Again, my buildup is entirely out of plain old regular printer paper. If I build something else, I'll definitely do it different.

Murray
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Posted by SNOOPY on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:55 AM
Hey Murray,

It looks really nice. I downloaded the Dreadnaught Battleship. I was thinking of building that next. One question is, where were you able to print on thick post card material? I do not want to ruin the printer I am using with too thick of stock.

Scott
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:23 PM
It does look quite good from over here, Murray! Is there an International Paper Modelers' Society somewhere, where you can enter it into competitions??!

My Roman ship is slowly taking shape. I'm still working on the hull, as there are quite a bit of flash to remove. I'll be off on holidays for a couple of weeks soon, so the next steps will have to wait until early October...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:25 AM
Here's Murray's update as it sits on the morning of 9/16/03:



The Ambrose is coming together, and things are starting to roll along pretty quickly now. My guess is that I've worked on it for about 5-6 hours in total and I'd say I'm about 75% done as far as appearance goes. The very bottom of the hull is not on yet, and the rest of the its and bits are very tiny and may take more time than I think.

I must admit that this is quite a bit harder than I thought. I made an early decision to go 'against the grain' and just build the whole thing out of paper, rather than get it transfered to some heavier cardstock or something like that. I see now that using heavier paper would have definitely simplified the building of the hull and the end product would have been much straighter and more solid.

Oh well, it is what it is and it's been a pretty good project so far. I have to give credit to whoever designed this though (www.digitalnavy.com), because it does go together fairly well. My initial look at the 'exploded' instructions caused me some grief because I wasn't at all sure where to start and in what order to do things. However, as I fuddled through building various pieces, I realized that everything seems to be numbered. And, if I would have assembled things in the sequence of the numbering, it would have gone pretty smooth!! Sometimes the most obvious things are totally invisible to me!!

It shouldn't take too long to finish it up, but I must admit that I don't really have intention of putting every last item on the ship (I spent about 45 minutes last night trying to put together the teensie-weensie little bell that sits on the bow). Unfortunately, my rough skills with paper have resulted in something that looks like... paper (unlike the one that was on the digitalnavy website!!) and therefore won't likely be put in a museum anywhere. There are some really fidly little bits that I think I'll just skip (the little handrails come to mind...).

Thanks to Ray (heylonghair) for suggesting the use of Rubber Cement. It's worked quite well for this. I used some craft glue earlier on in the project and it cause the paper to warp a bit.

If you're thinking of building something with paper, you really don't need any special tools. I've used scissors, xacto, a small putty knife, and a dental pic for applying glue, etc. I would recommend finding some sort of tapered dowel that you can use to wrap paper around. There are lots of shapes that need to be wrapped in a cylinder, and this becomes much easier if you have something the right size to wrap it around. Something like a long tapered knitting needle, or similar would work well. I'd also suggest that you print one copy of the pattern onto card-stock or heavier paper, and another on regular old printer paper. Some of the pieces need to be very thin to be shaped right. Others need the strength of heavier paper.

Well... I look forward to reading and seeing everyone elses progress. I noticed a few other updates, but haven't read them yet. Good luck to all! I'll post a final picture when I'm done...

Murray

Here's another pic more from the bow...


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:35 AM
OK> I'm finally getting started (a bit late) but I have the minicraft (chinese trumpeter) 1:700 hornet with little b25's to make the doolittle raid :)

I will need pointers and some good links for reference would be helpful too!

i'll post some pics once something is glued :)

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 8, 2003 9:22 PM
Thanks dj, I've got the pictures uploaded now.

http://rongeorge.com/modules/Gallery/uploadhere/CBP4_2
http://rongeorge.com/modules/Gallery/uploadhere/CBP4_1

I started cleaning up some of the pieces this afternoon. It looks like I'll put the trailer together first and then work on the watercraft itself. So far it's been an average Revell-Monogram kit. A bit of flash and some mold seams but nothing that a bit of sandpaper won't cure.Wink [;)] The tires on the trailer are plastic though, I wish they would have included vinyl tires instead. Oh, well.

Ray
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 8, 2003 6:21 PM
I think it's gonna be a blast watching this one. Have any of you built a ship in the last decade? Big Smile [:D] Tongue [:P]

Seriously though, this should be fun with the variety of kits.
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, September 8, 2003 4:29 PM
to upload on Ron's website, there's apparently only one 'album' where you can do it now. Called 'Upload here' or something like that. Took me a while to see it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 8, 2003 2:15 PM
Well, I got my kit unpacked today and took a couple of really crappy pictures with my webcam but I was having some problems trying to post them on Ron's website so you'll just have to wait to see the pictures.

It comes with a pre-painted base and figure which are really cool. The kit itself it relatively simple which hopefully means that I'll be able to finish on time.Tongue [:P] I'm going to do some work on it tonight and I'll keep you all posted on my progress.

Ray
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, September 8, 2003 1:48 PM
oh I guess I should say what I'm doing. tamiya's 1/700 waterline z destroyer.
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Posted by SNOOPY on Friday, September 5, 2003 12:07 PM
This weekend is the weekend that I get underway with the USS United States. I think I will leave the sails down though. This will be my first Sailing Ship...wait....my first ship period. fun times ahead.

Scott

Too Gain Success, One Must First Try!
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Friday, September 5, 2003 1:32 AM
Edog, I'm fine with it. Ray, this is quite cool!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:52 PM
Did anyone catch this little tidbit this morning? http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030904/D7TBN1D80.html

Now that would be a cool model!!! Anyone want to try scratchbuilding that? Wink [;)]

Ray
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:29 PM
Ok guys, so I went to the hobby store, and searched for my ship to build. I could not find an interesting kit under $30. Since I am a broke college student, I did not get anything yet. Was wondering, would the Italeri LTV be cheatingQuestion [?]
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Posted by Kugai on Thursday, September 4, 2003 7:30 AM
Started both of mine, Wolfp, and now I'm trying to decide if I should just give up ships altogetherAngry [:(!]Tongue [:P].

Silly me, thinking that 1:700 scale waterline ships would be less hassle than the larger ones. The first thing I did for the Shinano was to assemble the 12 rocket launcher emplacements, and the very first one ended up being the first lost part I've had in years. Carefully trying to place the rack on the base with tweezers and ZING! The tweezers slipped and off it went to where it might be found someday by the sweeper.

Hopefully, it'll end up being one of those "bad omens" that ends up just getting all the bad karma out of the way early on.Tongue [:P]Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Thursday, September 4, 2003 2:10 AM
I did cut and glue my first plastic yesterday. The hull is in 3 parts, with only 1/4 of the hull's bottom molded in with the sides of the hull. That means that 3/4 of the hull's bottom is actually a separate part. Given the fact that the hull was made of wood and that the planks were running all the way from one tip of the ship to the other, there's going to be some Milliput neeeded to 'camouflage' this joint...

Other than that, no problem so far!
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Posted by Wolfp on Wednesday, September 3, 2003 10:26 PM
So...Is everyone off to the races? I started my Scharnhorst last night, if they made the plastic any thinner, I would be putting it together with a childs glue stick vice tenax. Anyway, the hull halves have been joined and sanded, plus 1 side of the portholes drilled out. Only gonna have a month to work on it though, had to start my wife's swordfish so I am alternating days...so many little parts in the cockpit, my eyes hurt. :D

J.B. http://photobucket.com/albums/a303/jbrunyon/

    

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, September 1, 2003 3:50 AM
Don't worry, Ray, your choice is fine by me. I think this is going to be an interesting round of CBP. I haven't built a ship in over 23 years other than the Titanic' sister ship RMS Britannic, but as a wreck as it lays at the botton of the Mediterranean Sea, more of a diorama than a real 'ship' model).

Good luck everyone. Keep posting updates and pics if poss!

Domi
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 31, 2003 10:00 PM
Well, since the project officially starts tomorrow I guess I can reveal my choice. I'm actually feeling a little out of place here among all the warships but I hope you'll cut me a little slack. Mine can't really be classified as a 'ship' but it is a water vehicle. And the kit I have chosen is...(drum roll please)...Mike Follmer's Personal Watercraft Racer. It looks like a cool little kit. It comes with a prepainted base and rider to go along with it. I think the hardest part will probable be trying to get a good color match for the paint. I have a cheap little webcam kickin' around here too so I'll try and get some pictures up although I don't know how good they'll be. Anyway, Best of Luck to everyone and let's have a great CBP #4.

Ray
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Posted by Kugai on Sunday, August 31, 2003 4:11 AM
Allright, I've adjusted my plan for this CBP. Not that I've EVER had a change of plan before when scheduling my kits' completionTongue [:P].

My 5-year-old son REALLY wants to see the Shinano done at the same time as the Yamato. He's as entertained by my kitbuilding as he is by most TV shows or kids' videos. Maybe I'm being overly indulgent, but I've decided to try to get both ships ( the Tamiya 1:700 waterline kits ) done by the deadline.

I just hope it fits into the rules of a CBP that I'm not promising anyone ( including myself ) that I'll get all the 1:700 scale planes for Shinano done along with the ship!

Waaaay too many "meatball" decals for the timeDead [xx(]!

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