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Posted by dupes on Friday, October 19, 2007 8:37 AM

Forsaking all other forums for the past 3 days I've plowed through all 32 pages of this GB. All I can say is WOW. What a fantastic amount of info and knowledge here! Wow!! [wow]

I am absolutely 100% in!

Still deciding on my ace - leaning currently toward von Westerhagen's 007 mount, but have yet to find any pics of his actual vehicle (common trend?), so that isn't set in stone. Am continuing to research and will finalize soon!

Not to put down any other GB's I've been in, but this one really takes the cake. Make a Toast [#toast]

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, October 19, 2007 1:35 PM

Welcome to the build Dupes! 

We have a great group of guys here who have all kinds of great info.  Let us know if you need some help getting info and we'll share what we have.  I'll see if I can find anything on von Westerhagen's 007.  Do you know what unit he was in?

I know most of us are busy with the Kursk GB, so things have quieted here a bit.  I'm sure it will start picking up in November as that GB ends Oct. 31.  I'll be starting my JagdTiger for this build in about 2 weeks.  Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, October 19, 2007 2:18 PM

 

 Welcome Dupes-a lot of knowledgable folks around here...and I'm not one of them...

Scott-speaking of info, would you have any info on Albert Kerscher's late Tiger, used at the Neuhausel Forest.  I know at that stage of the war, April 1945 I believe, that the 502 was 'absorbed' into the 511.  I'm trying to determine the turret number of the Tiger he used.  Still not sure which of his Tiger's I want to do for this build.

 Hope all is well with the family.

Bob

 

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, October 19, 2007 3:26 PM
 bobbaily wrote:
 

Welcome Dupes-a lot of knowledgable folks around here...and I'm not one of them...

Scott-speaking of info, would you have any info on Albert Kerscher's late Tiger, used at the Neuhausel Forest.  I know at that stage of the war, April 1945 I believe, that the 502 was 'absorbed' into the 511.  I'm trying to determine the turret number of the Tiger he used.  Still not sure which of his Tiger's I want to do for this build.

 Hope all is well with the family.

Hi Bob.  I'll see what I can dig up for you this weekend.  I should have some time tonight or Saturday to check my references.  Do you have the Cyber Hobby kit for Albert Kerscher Tiger I late?  I saw one on the shelf at my LHS last week.  Wink [;)]

All is going as well as can be expected with the family.  I had my procedures done last week and they're healing up pretty fast.  It's amazing what polysporin and bandages can do to speed up the healing process.  Smile [:)]  The spots the froze looked pretty nasty though for a few days.  The biggest spot healed up fast, you almost can't even tell there was any problem there now.

My wife goes in for her surgery next Tuesday.  The sooner the better as the waiting sucks.... we'd just as soon just get it over with.  I'll keep you all posted next week. 

Thanks for the moral support my friend.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, October 19, 2007 6:20 PM

Glad to hear that you are on the mend.  Will continue to keep the family in my prayers.

I wasn't aware that there is a Albert Kerscher Tiger by Cyberhobby.  I see that Dragon has the Alfred Kurzmaul Tiger out.  I'll keep digging, but if you are by your LHS, please see what the kit number is.  Or what turret number they show....

 

Bob

 

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, October 19, 2007 7:03 PM
 bobbaily wrote:

Glad to hear that you are on the mend.  Will continue to keep the family in my prayers.

I wasn't aware that there is a Albert Kerscher Tiger by Cyberhobby.  I see that Dragon has the Alfred Kurzmaul Tiger out.  I'll keep digging, but if you are by your LHS, please see what the kit number is.  Or what turret number they show....

Thanks Bob, and doh! Dunce [D)] my mistake on Alfred Kurzmaul/Albert Kerscher. 

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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, October 19, 2007 7:39 PM
 espins1 wrote:
 bobbaily wrote:

Glad to hear that you are on the mend.  Will continue to keep the family in my prayers.

I wasn't aware that there is a Albert Kerscher Tiger by Cyberhobby.  I see that Dragon has the Alfred Kurzmaul Tiger out.  I'll keep digging, but if you are by your LHS, please see what the kit number is.  Or what turret number they show....

Thanks Bob, and doh! Dunce [D)] my mistake on Alfred Kurzmaul/Albert Kerscher. 

You're welcome and not a problem  Finding a kit on the shelf would have made the project too easy.....

Bob

 

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Posted by the Postman on Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:36 AM

Greetings all. I know it's been a while since I've put my My 2 cents [2c] in. I've been really busy @ work for the past few weeks - in fact I'm reviewing and compiling test/certification results this weekend (over 2000 of them). Makes for a fun weekend - NOT! Thumbs Down [tdn]

Mobius' Tiger II is still as I left it - uncorrected paint scheme and all. I took pictures about 2 weeks ago and still haven't uploaded them Dunce [D)]!

Scott & Duke -  I understand all to well, the emotion involved with such matters. I lost my mom to liver cancer 3 years ago and my father in law to brain cancer four years ago. My mother in law had a cancer in her left breast last year and they removed it. Now the doctor thinks it may have spread to the right side. God I hope not. My good friend and neighbor just got a clean bill of health from the Dr. after a two year battle with bone cancer. This has been her third go around with the Big "C". My thoughts and prayers have been/are with both of you and yours.

Dupes - Glad to see you here... Which of von Westerhagen's Tigers (I or II) are you planning on building? I've got some photos of his Tiger II that were taken during a troop movement in the opening days of the Battle of the Bulge (Wacht am Rhine). Let me know if I can help...

That's all the news for now...I'll do my best to get my pixs posted this weekend - even if the paint scheme isn't quite right. Now it's back to the test results Sigh [sigh].

-John

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Posted by dupes on Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:39 AM
 espins1 wrote:

We have a great group of guys here who have all kinds of great info.  Let us know if you need some help getting info and we'll share what we have.  I'll see if I can find anything on von Westerhagen's 007.  Do you know what unit he was in?

He was the battalion commander for the 101 (501). Sporting the 007 mount that Wittman supposedly took over at some point. I'm assuming the Tamiya-included decals are for Wittman, but Westerhagen had it first. Wink [;)]

 espins1 wrote:

I know most of us are busy with the Kursk GB, so things have quieted here a bit.  I'm sure it will start picking up in November as that GB ends Oct. 31.  I'll be starting my JagdTiger for this build in about 2 weeks.  Big Smile [:D]

Boy tell me about it. I'm doing marathon construction today to hopefully fire a first layer of paint on my Hornisse tomorrow. Deadlines = the great motivator! Big Smile [:D]

 

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Posted by dupes on Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:47 AM
 the Postman wrote:

Dupes - Glad to see you here... Which of von Westerhagen's Tigers (I or II) are you planning on building? I've got some photos of his Tiger II that were taken during a troop movement in the opening days of the Battle of the Bulge (Wacht am Rhine). Let me know if I can help...

Hmmmm. I was planning on doing his Tiger I from the oldie-but-goodie Tamiya 35146 (using the kit-supplied markings, no less!), but am unable to find a pic of his specific chariot. I have some of 009 (see color plates in rear of Tigers In Combat I or II) - one of the other 2 battalion hq vehicles, but not his. I would certainly be interested in seeing those Tiger II pics if it means that I could accurately reproduce one of his actual paint schemes. Shouldn't be a big problem to procure another kit for the stash if need be. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Again, I'm not totally fixated on doing Westerhagen or even a Tiger if there happens to be an ace available out there with more photo evidence to work from.

Thanks for the welcome fellas, I really look forward to seeing what comes out of this incredibly well-researched GB. Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Lethal19 on Monday, October 22, 2007 8:20 PM
 Duke Maddog wrote:

 bobbaily wrote:
Duke-which Ace are you researching? 

Bob, as others mentioned, I have the Dragon 1/72 scale Panther A with Zimm that I wanted to build for this. The markings included in this kit are:

3/Pz Rgt 12, 12th Pz Div "Hitlerjugend" Ardennes, 1944

Pz Rgt 27, 19th PzDiv, Warsaw, 1944?

Pz Abt 1, Pz Rgt 1, 1st Pz Div "LAH", Normandy, 1944.

 

I have been researching all three of these units and  have found nothing. As Scott has mentioned, there's a lot of great info on the units themselves, but none so far have revealed any particular Aces. As of now, I have yet to find a comprehensive history that focuses solely on the Aces themselves that reveals what units they served in, so I have found nothing so far. 

Hermes, thank you. I could always use another sheet of numbers. I'll PM you my address later.

 

 

Hay Duke you might want to look into  Hans malkomes. He was a panther comander in the 1st SS and was at normandy. Immediately afterwards the British tanks came rumbling on and seized all their primary objectives. 2.Kp./SS-Panzerregiment 1, located by the woods near Garcelles, received orders to attack the British at Soliers. SS-Obersturmführer Malkomes drove in the direction of Bourguιbus with his 13 Panthers and discovered 60 enemy tanks S-SE of the town. He attacked them, destroying 20, and took Soliers. Around 12:00 hours the entire Panther-Battalion, I./SS-Panzerregiment 1, 46 Panther, was engaged in combat with the 29th Tank Brigade of the 11th Armoured Division. The body of Leibstandarte was rushed to the front from Falaise, where it was in reserve. It immediately counterattacked around 17:00, together with 21. Panzerdivision, which halted the British offensive on the left front. The British withdrew to Caen, leaving behind 126 destroyed tanks. That was taking from Wikipedia about the 1st SS 

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:27 PM

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know my wife's surgery was this morning.  It all went pretty well, and the plastic surgeon had everything sewed up in a jiffy.  The whole process took about 4 hours.  The actual procedures were very short, it was the testing and examining the removed skin which took so long.  We got lucky, the spot the dermatologist removed was about the size of a jellybean, which made it a snap to patch up.  I've got my wife on the couch relaxing right now and am going to take care of her.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:33 PM
Scott-glad to hear that the procedure went well.  And by all means, pamper that woman!

Bob

 

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:50 PM

Scott, I'm glad all went well. It's nice to see when prayers are answered.

Lethal, Thank you!! It is so nice to see some results! I am almost not surprised that I didn't find him, there is no mention in any of my sources of what type of tank he used. I will try to dig deeper to see what his tank's markings were, or I may just build my LAH panther and call it his through 'artistic liscense'. I want to get this BUILT! 

 

I'll let you know. Thanks again so MUCH for this info! 

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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, November 2, 2007 6:39 AM

Bump

Getting closer to a start date.  Given the current 'projects-in-the-wings' list, maybe a late December start is reasonable.

I'm still committed to building one of Albert Kerscher's Tiger's-however, references are limited.  I do know that the attack on Malinava, July 1944, was conducted with Otto Carius and Kerscher was in tank 213.  However, was it an early or a mid?  My initial guess is that it may have been Carius' 'hand me down' since Tamiya did a mid of Carius' 217.  If so, then the 213 in the Tamiya early Tiger, circa. 1944, could have been Kerscher's. But with or without zimm in 1944? 

I'm also thinking about building Albert Kerscher's late Tiger as it appeared in the last days of the war, specifically @ the edge of the Neuausel Forest.  Only reference I can find is an artist (David Pentland) drawing:

Anybody got any thoughts on the turret number?  Again, my first guess would be 213.

Thanks

edit-In retrospect, I think I'm being a bit anal......

Bob

 

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, November 2, 2007 10:51 AM

Hey Bob, there is no such thing as being too anal for this build my friend.  Laugh [(-D]  I brought some of my reference books in today to see if I can find any info for you.

I'm just about finished with my Tiger for the Kursk GB so work begins on Albert Ernst's JagdTiger very soon, probably towards the end of next week. I had a bit of a snag on the build as I misplaced i.e. lost Banged Head [banghead] my decals.  I ordered some aftermarket decals, which are missing in action.  Bob was kind enough to send me his decals from the same kit so I can finish the Tiger.  Thanks buddy!  Bow [bow]

And on a personal note, my wife is recovering nicely from her surgery.  The stitches were removed earlier this week and now she's back at work.  Smile [:)]

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, November 2, 2007 11:41 AM

Kerscher and Carius apparently kicked a lot of butt! 

Albert Kerscher:
Albert Kerscher was best known for his actions at Malinava where along with Otto Carius the two Tiger Is attacked a Russian advance tank group. Since there was only one main street the two decided that only their tanks would attack keeping six Tigers in reserve. During the attack Kerscher noticed two T-34s beginning to rotate their turrets so he fired destroying both. During the twenty-minute encounter Kerscher and Carius managed to destroy seventeen T-34s and JS-1s. Kerscher scored 100+ kills, ranked twelfth in the tank ace list and was awarded the Knight's Cross 10/23/1944.

From what I've been able to gather so far, Kerscher's Tiger was in fact #213, and was an early Tiger without Zimmerit.

Here is some more cool stuff on Kerscher:

Norgau
Der Zauberberg
Albert Kerscher recieved the Ritterkreuz as a Feldwebel and Pz.Kdt. from 1.Pz.Kp./s.Pz.Abt. 502 on 23.10.44. On 5.4.45 his unit was redesignated as s.Pz.Abt. 511. Ritterkreuzeträger Kerscher was still a Feldwebel and commanded a Tiger VIE, one of the very few still in action by that time.

Preparations for the defenive stand at Norgau were made in the night of 12.4.45. 4 Tiger would take place in the defence of the Prussian town;

- Kampfgruppe Kerscher (Fw. A. Kersher and Obergefreiter Rink) consisted of 2 Tiger positioned on the higher grounds at Norgau, with Rink in a position where he could provide fire support for Kerscher, as well as watch his back.

- Kampfgruppe Baresch; Cosisted of Unteroffizier Baresch, his Tiger and one other unidentified Tiger. He took up positions on the other side of the road, to cover Kerscher's flank.

The Russian attack came in the early hours of 13.4.45. Artillery shells came raining down by the dozens, but the Tiger were not damaged. When the barrage lifted, the commanders noticed an wave of Russian tanks coming their way. A Russian tank brigade with a large variety of armour seemed to be their composition. When the mass of tanks started rolling downhill across the slopes, Kerscher gove a 'Feur frei' order. The Russian tanks were now only 500 - 800 m away, and the two German tank crews opened up on the enemy. They did not have to wait long for the results, within minutes some 20 Russians tanks were destroyed and burning, or disabled. The smoke and damaged vehicles took away the line of sight for the Russian tanks behind the first wave.

Among the Russian tanks were models of the new SU-100, who should provide fire cover for the battle tanks. Since they did not posses a swivelling tower, they drove back and forth frantically searching for the German defensive positions. When the last Russian tanks came driving down from the slope, they spotted the German position. Kerscher's gunner, Schmidt, realized what the SU-100's were up to and took them under fire. Despite the fact that the Panzergranaten could not penetrate the SU's frontal armour from the current range, they fled from the battle theatre.

Baresch's Tiger was suffering from a defect Kampfwagenkanone, forcing him to withdraw. Before leaving, however, he turned over his remaining ammunition to Kerscher. Kerscher decided to change positions, and he drove to a small slope, from where he took out another Russian tank. After that, he drove back to the village, where he suddenly bumped into a stalled Russian tank colonne. Only the town square seperated Kerscher's Tiger from the enemy tanks. Schmidt swung the cannon to the right, and started counting the number of Russian tanks; it were fifteen of them. The first shot destroyed the last enemy tank in the column. Immediatly other shots followed, all of them penetrated the armour from this short distance. When Russian soldiers appeared, Kerscher ordered to pull back. Towards the evening, a Major came to Kerscher's Tiger, who told him that the enemy was making a new attack. Kerscher speeded to the battle scene and destroyed 5 enemy vehicles immediatly. But again, SU-100's also participated in the attack. Kerscher drove with Weigand, another Tiger-Kommandant, into the left flank of the 12 assaulting SU-100's. Weigand opened up first, then Kerscher joined in and with the sunset, all 12 SU-100's were burning brightly.

In the morning of 14.4.45, Kerscher realised that he had to pull back several kilometers to rejoin his own men. However, he wanted to execute one more daring assault on Norgau, which was falling into Russian hands by now. He rolled forwards behind the cover of man-high bushes, reaching the first houses. The driver drove upwards a small slope, and Schmidt pointed the Kanone right into the former German ditches, pakced with Russian soldiers. Numerous high-explosive rounds where fired into the Russian infantry positions, and the enemy was obliterated.

Enemy artillery came hailing down immediatly afterwards, and Kerscher's Tiger raced back to his own lines, where an Infantry battalion from Großdeutschland was preparing to counterattack.

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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, November 2, 2007 12:40 PM

Thanks Scott-you've been a big help sorting out the Kerscher early Tiger questions.  Now the other big question is-during the attack on Malinava, were the turret numbers white, as Tamiya has them, or black, as Bison & Echelon show the early tiger of Carius, along with the photos in 'Tigers in the Mud'.

btw-what book or books did you find that info in?  I'm always looking for a reason to add to my reference library....

Thanks again.

Bob

 

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Posted by espins1 on Friday, November 2, 2007 1:40 PM
 bobbaily wrote:

Thanks Scott-you've been a big help sorting out the Kerscher early Tiger questions.  Now the other big question is-during the attack on Malinava, were the turret numbers white, as Tamiya has them, or black, as Bison & Echelon show the early tiger of Carius, along with the photos in 'Tigers in the Mud'.

btw-what book or books did you find that info in?  I'm always looking for a reason to add to my reference library....

Thanks again.

I cheated and shamelessly stole that info from:

http://www.hobbymastercollector.com/HR0102Kerscher.html

http://www.geocities.com/wolfram55/Norgau.html

Oberfeldwebel Albert Kerscher 

Oberfeldwebel Albert Kerscher
Oberfeldwebel der Reserve Albert Kerscher,bearers of Knight's Cross with Oakleaves.Another Tiger Ace from schwere Panzer Abteilung 502.His famoust account from against Soviet Tanks at Malinava.He archvied his 100th kill in defending Neuhauser Forrest near Pillau,East Prusia at April 1945. Photo signed by him.He is still alive.

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Posted by bobbaily on Saturday, November 3, 2007 8:22 AM

Thanks Scott.  I have seen a similar early Tiger, being marketed as Kerscher's.  It is a smaller, radio controled model with white turret numbers.  Given that there are no pics of his Tiger, some research in Tigers in Combat I & some artistic license might be in order....still debating over doing the early or late Tiger.  However, the only reference that I can find that Kerscher was in a late Tiger is Pentland's painting.  And since he is an artist, I have to assume that he has a license...sorry, couln't resist...Whistling [:-^]

It is interesting that there is little info available about Kerscher, given his military record.  Carius does mention him a great deal in his book though.

Thanks again. 

 

Bob

 

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Posted by espins1 on Monday, November 5, 2007 10:26 AM
 bobbaily wrote:

Thanks Scott.  I have seen a similar early Tiger, being marketed as Kerscher's.  It is a smaller, radio controled model with white turret numbers.  Given that there are no pics of his Tiger, some research in Tigers in Combat I & some artistic license might be in order....still debating over doing the early or late Tiger.  However, the only reference that I can find that Kerscher was in a late Tiger is Pentland's painting.  And since he is an artist, I have to assume that he has a license...sorry, couln't resist...Whistling [:-^]

It is interesting that there is little info available about Kerscher, given his military record.  Carius does mention him a great deal in his book though.

Thanks again. 

 

I am surprised there isn't more photographic evidence on Kerscher, especially, like you said, given his record.  Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by SgtBrown on Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:23 AM

Hey all,

      Life intervened hard on me the past months so I wasn't able to post much or build much.  Just wanted to say, I'm back and getting ready to start my build.  I'll post pics as I'm able.

Todd

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Posted by espins1 on Monday, November 12, 2007 11:15 AM

Hi Todd, looking forward to seeing your progress pics. 

I have about 2, maybe 3 more days on my Tiger for the Kursk GB, so work on the JagdTiger begins this week.  Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by bobbaily on Monday, November 12, 2007 12:56 PM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Todd-looking forward to watching your progress-I've been reading "Tigers in the Mud" (you are building Carius' mid, aren't you?)-very insightful book.

I ordered the Echelon decal set for the pz. abt. 502 Early/Mid Tigers-hopefully they will be of some help in building Kerscher's early.

Bob

 

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Posted by bufflehead on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:13 PM

I'm glad to see there's still some activity here!  My King Tiger has sat untouched since April Disapprove [V].  Now that the Kursk GB is over and the African GB hasn't started yet I'm going to start working on Von Rosen's KT again.  Zim is almost done so its mostly just the minor assemblies leftover.  Got a load of PE for this, but I'm not sure I want to go that route.  I might stick to OOB for this one. 

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:07 AM

Well, I've been searching for pics or reference on Hans Malkomes tank paint scheme and come up blank. So. I'm going to go ahead and build my Panther with Zimm in the Pz Abt 1, Pz Rgt 1, 1st Pz Div "LAH", Normandy, 1944 scheme and call it his. Since there's no telling what his tank looked like, there is a possibility that he did use my tank so that is what I'm going with. I'll get started soon and post pics when I can.

 

Thanks once again to Lethal for the info that allowed me to join this Group Build.  

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:57 AM
I'm glad you were able to get the info you needed Duke, Sign - Welcome [#welcome] aboard officially now!  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Posted by dupes on Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:12 PM

Hey Espins (or anyone else with an extensive reference library Big Smile [:D]) - I've been plugging away at research for the GB trying to match up an ace to the kits in my stash, and I'm finding it quite difficult. I'm fully convinced that books are the way to go rather than the internet!

I actually haven't decided who I'm going with, it'll end up being whoever has the most information available about his mount. Wink [;)] If you happen to have a color plate (have any of you guys actually found color plates for your aces?) for either of the following I'd be truly grateful (no rush, btw - won't be getting to build this for a while yet):

Heinz Von Westerhagen's 007 Tiger - which coincidentally, would be the same as Wittman's, as Wittman got his from Westerhagen...perhaps making it easy to find an exact reference?

or

Max Wunsche's Panther G Late. I can't even find a turret number for this online. Meh. 

If either of these comes up totally deadended, I may have to go the 'official' cheater's route and build the DML "Wittman" Stug III Ausf. A I just picked up...no problem finding markings there! 

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Posted by Hermesminiatures on Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:32 PM

Dupes, you'd probably find von Westerhagen's Tiger easier to research.

Also, be warned that von Westerhagen's 007 was not the same tank as Wittmann's 007. Witmann's tank was a final production command tank with white turret numbers, while von Westerhagen's was a late production command tank with red turret numbers. 

Jonathan

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Posted by dupes on Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:49 PM

Really? Wow, this is another reason I don't trust the internet. Heh. Several of the sites I visited said that Wittman got his 007 from Westerhagen.

I need a muuuuuuch bigger library. Sigh [sigh]

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